Blue Mage

Now before the bashing starts, I've dived through as many forum topics as I could and never found where this belonged. I've seen the posts from Yoshi and players about how blue mage cannot be placed into a party format with the way the game is currently setup but I feel as though they're wrong. For starters, every job has its main rotation abilities, ranging from single target situations to multi-target situations. Blue mage can have the same setup as them. Give them the base abilities that you learn from your class quests, i.e. the number of single target and multi-target abilities that Yoshi would want them to have. Those abilities can be base monster spells like bomb toss or poison sting. To further the idea of blue mage you can add in a glamour type system. You go off and learn another multi-target spell like cursed sphere and would glamour it over bomb toss.

That way, you have the ability to learn multiple monster spells and can use them without making or breaking the game. The only task that the dev team would be pressed for is adding in a system that re-uses the abilities the monsters already use but putting in on our characters. The game would still be balanced bc you'd aleady be limited to certain number of base abilities, so you wouldn't have the whole, "you have to have this setup of spells for blu or we don't want you in our raid" and can still keep the full feel of blue mage. The other issue I saw was the learning curve...well you don't have to make it next to impossible to learn the spells out in the world bc it will be for glamour purposes. So a fresh lvl60 blue mage can still be just as strong as a vet lvl60 blue mage, just the vet would have these awesome looking spells, i.e. thunderbolt(behemoth).

So for Blue Mage you want to tie in a pointless glamour system to what their spells will look like? Are you serious? The feel of Blue Mage is being able to learn monster skills naturally and not be given them by level ups or by completing job quests. May as well let my BLM glamour a AST's Gravity spell over my Flare at that point.

Blue mage in the past has always been you need these spells or your blu isn't worth it...Yoshi doesn't want it to become that in this game, so the only logical approach to this would be a glamour type system. For every class there is a set number of abilities and spells that they have and use, but with blu you'll have more than that just from the nature of the job. So to counter that adding in ways to slot them out, like in ffxi, is the way to make balance...well then you run into the "you have to have this spell to run with our raid" making you have to put way more into the class than the other classes just to be able to do certain content. At least with the glamour type system you can still run with raids just will have spells that you personally spent the time farming up glamoured over the base spells they gave you from the class quests.

Every spell learned from monsters can fall into certain tiers as well. Like I stated before, AoE type spells and single target spells...well you can take the big spells like thunderbolt for example and give it a base damage, like flare for example, and be able to glamour other spells that would fall into that category over it so you'll still have a powerful base spell and won't be putting something weaker like bomb toss over it...

I kinda made a fun activity of it, designing the class. Going out and obtaining your skills, no quests involved would involve a weird hunting log system and I'd be ok with that. It would require both a level condition and a certain number of mobs to kill (like 3.)

The mechanic I thought of was a blue mage that had access to lots of aoe, but could put on a stance to make them more potent and single target. They would have a fair amount of defensive and one healing support skill. They would revolve around a rotation that required them to taste monster (enemy) blood to keep up an umbral ice/damage up effect. To obtain the buff they would have to use a skill like consume or feast that would temporarily cause an insanity, a "mad hunger" buff that swaps intelligence with strength for a single physical skill. Letting blue magic drop off causes you not only to lose your damage up and magic regain, it also reduces your current mp to 5% of your max.

The main damage rotation would involve placing dots in a certain order. Placing some dots on another will increase their potency and duration, others will negate previous dot status effects.
Aquabreath dot followed by thunderbreath to increase potency and duration, as aquabreath is about to fall off, applying mustard breath would have an increased potency from thunderbreath. You have skills to weave in your ogcd and utilities like doom (vulnerability up. Can only be used when target is low on health) You would do your mad hunger portion and repeat. They would have access to a physical gap closer to begin fights with blue magic status effect quickly.

You would cast your filler spell between them, similar to ACN.

My Blue mage thing :)

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

So for Blue Mage you want to tie in a pointless glamour system to what their spells will look like? Are you serious? The feel of Blue Mage is being able to learn monster skills naturally and not be given them by level ups or by completing job quests. May as well let my BLM glamour a AST's Gravity spell over my Flare at that point.

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Can we. Please. Gravity over Flare?

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

So for Blue Mage you want to tie in a pointless glamour system to what their spells will look like? Are you serious? The feel of Blue Mage is being able to learn monster skills naturally and not be given them by level ups or by completing job quests. May as well let my BLM glamour a AST's Gravity spell over my Flare at that point.

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That seems to be what the majority wants sadly
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-in-this-game

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

That seems to be what the majority wants sadly
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-in-this-game

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That's the issue though. BLU always had some immersion by beating on overworld enemies to learn most of their kit. Only thing I'm getting out of this current topic is "Magic Spell Glamour System". I don't even.

As much as I want to see BLU and RDM in this game I don't think they can fit it in without compromising what made them what they were, much like SMN, unless you made them Tanks to justify the healing skills but that would enrage the faction of the playerbase who don;t want all sword users to be tanks (thought that's for RM and thus irrelevant)

Spell Glamour might work to persevere the feel of BLU, but the present (Egi-Glamour) hasen't even been implemented yet an even if this was a thing it might still fail because it wouden't change in effect. (much like Egi-Glamours)

With the system we have now I can't see blue mage in without absolutely butchering the class.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

BLU always had some immersion by beating on overworld enemies to learn most of their kit.

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Yoshi-P expressed some concern over doing it that way because the fear of people getting kicked for not having a certain spell that's really good. I'm not personally against that sort of behavior, but I understand why he wants to avoid it. IF they add blue mage, the abilities will most certainly be tied to job quests, "hey adventurer, you killed that powerful monster and absorbed it's power in to yourself to learn a new spell themed after said monster! GG!" You get the idea.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Spell Glamour might work to persevere the feel of BLU, but the present (Egi-Glamour) hasen't even been implemented yet an even if this was a thing it might still fail because it wouden't change in effect. (much like Egi-Glamours)

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The egi glamour system is where my idea from blu came from. People would still keep the feel of blu, not the true blu... but would still be learning spells for your own preference. Original blu would already be hard to place into the game bc of debuff purposes anyways. Most mobs are immune to the good debuffs as is...so even rdm would have a terrible time being placed into the game with that current problem.

The system doesn't really even have to be a true glamour system. If you just take each monster spell that you can learn and put them into tiers. Each of the tiers can have their own potency that they can slot into place over another ie bomb toss be 100 potency and you can place water bomb 100 potency in it's place. Also, you'd be able to bc they're both AoE's. Now granted, doing it this way you'll have that player base that will complain and argue that you can only use certain pre-picked abilities and that's not the true blu as well...that's why I proposed a glamour type system instead for those that just want to use all goblin based abilities for example.