The Future of Lancer and Dragoon per Yoshida and JPGAMES.DE

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Originally Posted by JPGAMES.DE, Frederick

What are your future plans for the lancer class, what role is he going to play in future groups and what role is his job dragoon, or dragon knight, meant to play?

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Originally Posted by Naoki Yoshida

Yes, the lancer is going to be the main dragoon class, plus another class, so you have to achieve those two in order to walk the dragoon route.

The dragoon will be a critical hit damage dealer. They will make the most powerful critical damage to enemies. However, they need to do combo attacks and if they are successful, then they will bring the most effective damage to the enemy. This attack is unlike the one from FINAL FANTASY XI. When they are successful, then they can make this really powerful damage.

But we are fully aware of players that are really looking forward to the dragoons jump, we are looking into possibilities on how we can show that aspect to the players. Regarding 1.20 and 1.21, we are thinking about what we can do with the graphic engine… But when we make the new graphic engine, releasing with 2.0, we are still thinking about what we can do, so we are aware of that element as well.

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source: http://jpgames.de/2011/10/jpgames-de...naoki-yoshida/

Since I think all jobs will be comboing, would be nice to know how what DRG does relates to the others.

"Yes, the lancer is going to be the main dragoon class, plus another class, so you have to achieve those two in order to walk the dragoon route."

So is he implying that you need Lancer + maybe Marauder to be a Dragoon? I'm confused, what does main dragoon class mean?

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Originally Posted by Kyou_Ruxy

"Yes, the lancer is going to be the main dragoon class, plus another class, so you have to achieve those two in order to walk the dragoon route."

So is he implying that you need Lancer + maybe Marauder to be a Dragoon? I'm confused, what does main dragoon class mean?

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You need LNC + another class leveled (30 and 15 respectively I guess) to unlock DRG. Then, LNC and DRG share the same exp, while DRG may have some skills from the other class.

i would guess pugilist, but who can really be certain. blindside works well with lancer, but the other skills? hmm in the interview they also made it seem like you might only get access to the second job. in that case it would give them access to second wind, but maybe they would rather have bloodbath.

lets see.

pld = gld mrd
drg = lancer pug?
mnk = pug con
war = mrd lnc
blm = thm/con
whm = con/thm
bard = archer/thaum

these would be my guesses, though whm and blm could end up reversed, and ehhh i guess they could mix around everything

still id say, pug as sub for lancer probably.

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Originally Posted by Physic

i would guess pugilist, but who can really be certain. blindside works well with lancer, but the other skills? hmm in the interview they also made it seem like you might only get access to the second job. in that case it would give them access to second wind, but maybe they would rather have bloodbath.

lets see.

pld = gld mrd
drg = lancer pug?
mnk = pug con
war = mrd lnc
blm = thm/con
whm = con/thm
bard = archer/thaum

these would be my guesses, though whm and blm could end up reversed, and ehhh i guess they could mix around everything

still id say, pug as sub for lancer probably.

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How did you reason con as being a sub for monk?

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Originally Posted by Nayt

How did you reason con as being a sub for monk?

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because pug now has the highest intelligence out of the DoW classes, and our weapon doesnt allow attack or critical attack materia, but does allow various magic potency materia, combine that with a higher mp pool, featherfoot returning mp, and you begin to see a picture.

It could be thaum, but then again, thm would probably benefit more from high piety and magic ACC, also, not sure if the elemental affinity increases effect light or dark magic spells, if so, then thm is also feasible.

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Originally Posted by Physic

because pug now has the highest intelligence out of the DoW classes, and our weapon doesnt allow attack or critical attack materia, but does allow various magic potency materia, combine that with a higher mp pool, featherfoot returning mp, and you begin to see a picture.

It could be thaum, but then again, thm would probably benefit more from high piety and magic ACC, also, not sure if the elemental affinity increases effect light or dark magic spells, if so, then thm is also feasible.

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Pug also has an earth based attack

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Pug also has an earth based attack

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not sure what you are trying to signify?

pug weapon can equip any elemental materia, and though i havent tested it with materia, i did test blood rite, which had no effect on my seismic shock damage, which is supposed to be magic potency.

Im not saying i want a DoM sub req, im just saying it seems pretty likely based on the recent changes. I wouldnt mind a mrd or lnc sub, i love bloodbath

Your posts make me much more interested about Monk at this point than DRG honestly.

What's it gonna do?

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Your posts make me much more interested about Monk at this point than DRG honestly.

What's it gonna do?

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well although cross class magic seems more viable now that mage weapons dont directly effect mpotency (i think) even with a maximum dmg possibility, i really wonder if its worth the cast times, sooo my guess would be, since dex is no longer effecting criticals, and drg is the new critical combo king. Mnk may get some elemental damage effects from combos, probably with mp requirements, so while drg will build around crits, Mnk will build around mp and elemental dmg attacks.

Seems like the sort of mystical hand to hand warrior thing.

Only thing is the execution is still missing some steps. i suppose right now one could just use bloodrite/profundity elemental materias, and +mpotency gears, it still doesnt synergize that well with the high tp gain big tp attack style, or the active tanking and countering style of pugilist.

Its probable that even though its their intent, it may end up being as forgotten as the ninja elemtal jutsu in ffxi

i think it will really come down to the combo mechanic, and the new abilities rather than the old

a skill that allows you to do other skills and abilities while casting on monk for example, might bridge the gap, and create a strong synergy, but would that be overpowered? hmmmm

heh lot of theories there, only thing ill say im pretty sure of, mnk prolly tied to dom sub

I hope magic damage offers some alternate uses than just pure damage, like the stagger meter in XIII.

Just because you need to classes to unlock job that doesn't mean you'll get all those abillities...has anyone played FF Tactics?

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Originally Posted by Kazai

Just because you need to classes to unlock job that doesn't mean you'll get all those abillities...has anyone played FF Tactics?

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You have the marauder as a background class before you become a paladin. Those kind of class abilities will be connected to the paladin job. Even if you had more classes in the past, these are not related to the paladin and can’t be used.

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this is why people say you will get access to those abilities, maybe they will limit them even more, but it sounds like you will at the least get access to some of the abilities of the linked classes. It also unfortunately makes it seem like you will not get access to anything outside of whatever that sub is. Come to think of it, it may end up being like ffxi, but more limited in what your subjob choices are, because they could cap your cross class skills at half the main. that idea, if it comes to be the case, is really sad.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I hope magic damage offers some alternate uses than just pure damage, like the stagger meter in XIII.

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The dumb chocobo damage system from XIII being in this game is more than enough for me. Stagger was never fun it just makes fights one sided. Cause if it worked like that, you'd just need 1 tank (commando) and 7 Thm/Cjn (Ravangers) to stagger the mob quickly, and it will just be tooled on.

What I hope magic can do is, the enfeebling magic have a more potent effect for players, cause the mobs one work well on me.

Hopefully spells like Fire get a massive boost to be effect against high level mobs.
500-700 damage (with critical) is what I hit for most mobs with any elemental spell, with Scourge and banish II it's 700-1500 magic critical close to 2000. But against a level 52 Ixali Wolftamer, all spells did 200...

On pld maybe you'll get defender maybe you'll get a ability kind of like defender that comes from the mrd background or maybe you just straight up get defender. But what's true for paladin may not be true for lancer, maybe you wont even need a sub for lancer. Really we don't know.

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Stagger was never fun it just makes fights one sided. Cause if it worked like that, you'd just need 1 tank (commando) and 7 Thm/Cjn (Ravangers) to stagger the mob quickly, and it will just be tooled on.

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It's funny you say that, because its the only thing that would keep magic damage relevant in this (or any FF) in late game.

But its cool to hate on XIII so obvious enhancements to the current systems from that game are ridiculed.

Jobs that can stagger won't be the DPS jobs, but DPS jobs can dish out more damage if they get help from stagger jobs. Ravagers didn't do much in the damage department, you still need DPS Jobs. They can't heal either, so you need healer Jobs. They also can't tank, so you need tanking jobs. They can't buff, so you need buffing jobs.

What they could do is CC/enfeeble, so they have two uses: enfeebling and mild DPS/staggering.

Because to be quite honest with you, what this game doesn't need is 4 jobs sharing the same basic utility, DPS. And to be even more honest with you, magic DPS is useless in every FF aside from XIII in late game. Every other build was more effective, even if you could clear the encounters with inferior setup.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

It's funny you say that, because its the only thing that would keep magic damage relevant in this (or any FF) in late game.

But its cool to hate on XIII so obvious enhancements to the current systems from that game are ridiculed.

Jobs that can stagger won't be the DPS jobs, but DPS jobs can dish out more damage if they get help from stagger jobs. Ravagers didn't do much in the damage department, you still need DPS Jobs. They can't heal either, so you need healer Jobs. They also can't tank, so you need tanking jobs. They can't buff, so you need buffing jobs.

What they could do is CC/enfeeble, so they have two uses: enfeebling and mild DPS/staggering.

Because to be quite honest with you, what this game doesn't need is 4 jobs sharing the same basic utility, DPS. And to be even more honest with you, magic DPS is useless in every FF aside from XIII in late game. Every other build was more effective, even if you could clear the encounters with inferior setup.

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I disagree, a Black Mage in FFTatics with the sub ability to be a calculator could easily wipe out an entire enemy unit, and all the spells they would use would be instant.

FFVII- Knights of the round :P Except for certain limit breaks, this was hella useful.

FFIX_ Vivi nuff said

Disgaea series, magic damage floors physical damage not only in damage, but also in it's range.

If we follow the FF series, then yes, most time magic is sadly beaten by physical damage.

Gonna be short as possible on this, the main reason I hated FFXIII was it's battle system. AI was a complete f%$#ing moron. Scan the enemy mob is susceptible to Deprotect and deshell. Ok I'll turn this person to sabotuer. so-so casts spite 5 times in a row, over and over, never using anything else. Switch the jobs quickly again to see if they will change their moves, nope still spite, and they do have both de-spells.

That's just one of the reasons. I could go on.

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Originally Posted by Physic

not sure what you are trying to signify?

pug weapon can equip any elemental materia, and though i havent tested it with materia, i did test blood rite, which had no effect on my seismic shock damage, which is supposed to be magic potency.

Im not saying i want a DoM sub req, im just saying it seems pretty likely based on the recent changes. I wouldnt mind a mrd or lnc sub, i love bloodbath

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just pointing out the have elemental ties (I know other classes do as well) which might justify CNJ being a pre-req

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I disagree, a Black Mage in FFTatics with the sub ability to be a calculator could easily wipe out an entire enemy unit, and all the spells they would use would be instant.

FFVII- Knights of the round :P Except for certain limit breaks, this was hella useful.

FFIX_ Vivi nuff said

Disgaea series, magic damage floors physical damage not only in damage, but also in it's range.

If we follow the FF series, then yes, most time magic is sadly beaten by physical damage.

Gonna be short as possible on this, the main reason I hated FFXIII was it's battle system. AI was a complete f%$#ing moron. Scan the enemy mob is susceptible to Deprotect and deshell. Ok I'll turn this person to sabotuer. so-so casts spite 5 times in a row, over and over, never using anything else. Switch the jobs quickly again to see if they will change their moves, nope still spite, and they do have both de-spells.

That's just one of the reasons. I could go on.

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That's fine and dandy, but nothing addresses the point I made. Magic DPS will, if nothing is done about it, become inferior to melee DPS sooner than later. Stagger mechanics are the perfect way to counter this, as you don't have to do anything about the inferior damage, you simply add some other utility to the job instead.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

That's fine and dandy, but nothing addresses the point I made. Magic DPS will, if nothing is done about it, become inferior to melee DPS sooner than later. Stagger mechanics are the perfect way to counter this, as you don't have to do anything about the inferior damage, you simply add some other utility to the job instead.

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So which kind of stagger do you want? The one from XIII, where you stun lock the enemy by tossing them in the air, or just hit them to stop attacking while staggered?

We have the in a way, it's paralyze, but it sucks at the moment. Enfeebles need to be more effective. Maybe at one point we could get the spell stop?

It's your choice to be a class to stagger if you want, but to me personally I want to be a magic damage dealer. I don't like being a support/healer, I can't do it, I fall asleep from boredom. 1,20 hopefully beefs up magic damage. If not 1.20 maybe 1.21. If by 1.21 as a black mage I still only do 200 damage against a mob only 2 levels above me, I am gonna be very upset.

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So which kind of stagger do you want? The one from XIII, where you stun lock the enemy by tossing them in the air, or just hit them to stop attacking while staggered?

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Build up a meter which, when full, allows the DPS jobs to deal more damage until the meter drops down again.

I would think that Dragoon would be LNC (primary) MRD (Secondary) considering the information.

Taking into account Dragoon will be CRIT focused, MRD has innate abilities that lean towards CRIT attacks like Murderous Intent that boost critical hit rate. Also most MRD weaponskills are worded in a way as if they focused on raw power rather than precision. Words like "devastating" "fierce" "vicious". It all depends on how you look at Critical though I guess.

I see Critical as pulling off a hit that should've missed. Reminiscent of Deathblow from VII. MRD in general feels like this when you play it.

Some may see a Critical hit making a normal attack hit that "sweet spot" improving it's efficacy. Much like a prize fighter finding an opening (or making one) in an enemies defenses and taking advantage before the enemy realizes it.

In the end, what makes me lean towards MRD is that it has the native critical boost ability Murderous Intent, while Pugilist lacks a native critical hit ability.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

You need LNC + another class leveled (30 and 15 respectively I guess) to unlock DRG. Then, LNC and DRG share the same exp, while DRG may have some skills from the other class.

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Sorry for not asking that question as fellow lancer, but well... i was a little agitated, you catch my drift.

I was like: "Should i ask him, should i... should i?!" and then i was like: "Too late..."

I was busy with hiding my stupid smile as terms like: "high dmg" and "crits" fell... :D Had to fake seriousness!

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

I would think that Dragoon would be LNC (primary) MRD (Secondary) considering the information.

Taking into account Dragoon will be CRIT focused, MRD has innate abilities that lean towards CRIT attacks like Murderous Intent that boost critical hit rate. Also most MRD weaponskills are worded in a way as if they focused on raw power rather than precision. Words like "devastating" "fierce" "vicious". It all depends on how you look at Critical though I guess.

I see Critical as pulling off a hit that should've missed. Reminiscent of Deathblow from VII. MRD in general feels like this when you play it.

Some may see a Critical hit making a normal attack hit that "sweet spot" improving it's efficacy. Much like a prize fighter finding an opening (or making one) in an enemies defenses and taking advantage before the enemy realizes it.

In the end, what makes me lean towards MRD is that it has the native critical boost ability Murderous Intent, while Pugilist lacks a native critical hit ability.

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supposedly blindside gives 100 % crit from the back, though it doesnt say that in description.

another possibility is /archer for hate management, and i guess hate management with a couple buffs. It would also give archer a sub, which might be hard to find elsewhere.

People have mentioned wanting a dragon pet for the Dragon knight class but they say it would be OP. But what if the Dragon was just like a companion that followed you around and because of it's connection it gave you strength. It wouldn't have the ability to do anything in battle but it would give a unique flavor to being a Dragon knight. I'm sure people wouldn't mind just having a customizable dragon by your side that you could customize to your liking lol.

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Originally Posted by Airget

People have mentioned wanting a dragon pet for the Dragon knight class but they say it would be OP. But what if the Dragon was just like a companion that followed you around and because of it's connection it gave you strength. It wouldn't have the ability to do anything in battle but it would give a unique flavor to being a Dragon knight. I'm sure people wouldn't mind just having a customizable dragon by your side that you could customize to your liking lol.

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Just say that you want a cosmetic dragon.

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Originally Posted by Airget

People have mentioned wanting a dragon pet for the Dragon knight class but they say it would be OP. But what if the Dragon was just like a companion that followed you around and because of it's connection it gave you strength. It wouldn't have the ability to do anything in battle but it would give a unique flavor to being a Dragon knight. I'm sure people wouldn't mind just having a customizable dragon by your side that you could customize to your liking lol.

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Regarding this: A Final Fantasy XIV.eu post.

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Originally Posted by Finalfantasy14.eu

The next upgrade concerns the dragoon knight. Will he be accompanied of his own dragoon?

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Originally Posted by Naoki yoshida

During this interview tour we have received that question often and to be honest we are considering adding a pet class in the future. So we were not thinking of adding a pet to the current class, but because we received this question so many times we will start thinking about it differently. Its very tricky because dragoon knight is supposed to be very strong because it has the dragons power but if you have the dragons power together then the dragoon and pet will be very hard to balance. Having a pet as well as having the power of the dragon is very tricky to balance.

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I would much prefer the "dragoon knight is supposed to be very strong because it has the dragons power" and the JPGAMES.DE responses from Yoshida for Dragoon (aka Pet-less). I'm going to dev-tag this, share your opinions.

no dragon pet, eat and kill dragons as a dragoon. Do you guys really want to nerf your dmg so you can be a pet class? really? you sure?

SE had a real hard time balancing DRG in XI simply because of the wyvern. It's not like DRG was overpowered or even came close to it, most of the time, it's just the idea that it could be that always made them hold back on giving DRG good damage dealing abilities and WSs. Tbh I don't want that in XIV, I'd rather have a solid DD that will be useful and good at performing its given role. As much as I loved Rygor in FFXI, I'm not looking forward to another 3 to 4 years of stigma towards my favorite job in the FF universe...

First off, the sub for DRG is MRD, as yoshida confirmed. can't remember which interview now, with the recent plethora though.

Secondly, I'd hate to see DRG be as restricted as it was in FFXI, just because of a pet dragon. In XI I only ever used it as sacrificial bait anyways

Dragoon.

In AF.

On a Amano style FFVI Magitek armor mount.


If everything Yoshi-p says he wants to implement happens. This will be possible.


I'm sorry... we were talking about wyvern pets?

Yeah, I'll pass. Unless it's large enough where you can ride it.

The concept art looks like Kain to me tbh.

The way see jobs being win in most cases would be to lvl everything to 30max and 15 min. I could be wrong as it has happened a million times however, I think this will cover most job combos.

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Originally Posted by Nayt

First off, the sub for DRG is MRD, as yoshida confirmed. can't remember which interview now, with the recent plethora though.

Secondly, I'd hate to see DRG be as restricted as it was in FFXI, just because of a pet dragon. In XI I only ever used it as sacrificial bait anyways

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Are you sure your not thinking of paladin? he said gladiator + marauder = paladin. I've not seen any interviews confirming Dragon's sub class but i'm not sure if i've read them all or not ^^';;

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Originally Posted by Physic

supposedly blindside gives 100 % crit from the back, though it doesnt say that in description.

another possibility is /archer for hate management, and i guess hate management with a couple buffs. It would also give archer a sub, which might be hard to find elsewhere.

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and Blindside is much better then Murderous Intent. I have yet to get a crit with Murderous Intent, could be an affinity thing though since I dont have axemanship.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

and Blindside is much better then Murderous Intent. I have yet to get a crit with Murderous Intent, could be an affinity thing though since I dont have axemanship.

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Nope, I can hit crits with Murderous Intent. It's only a small increase to crit rating, it's not a guarantee. It's like the Sipahi Gloves.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Nope, I can hit crits with Murderous Intent. It's only a small increase to crit rating, it's not a guarantee. It's like the Sipahi Gloves.

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Yeah didn't say it wasn't possible but I like Blindside better since it is guaranteed to make my fully buffed Doom Spike II crit, I do use Murderous Intent when Blindside is down but have not been happy with the results even with Savage Might in my chest. With such a long cooldown you would think it would have a larger effect.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Yeah didn't say it wasn't possible but I like Blindside better since it is guaranteed to make my fully buffed Doom Spike II crit, I do use Murderous Intent when Blindside is down but have not been happy with the results even with Savage Might in my chest. With such a long cooldown you would think it would have a larger effect.

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That's why I have both on my bar. ^^
Blindside is the for-sure crit, Murderous Intent is better Crit chance, but for 10 seconds. You can squeeze out two Chaos Thrusts in that time, and provided target > 20% + you crit both, that is one helluva damage output.

Ih I agree certainly something to use for that last 20% since a crit on Chaos thrust means all 6 hits crit.