Patch 3.3 Housing Info

So we got more info on housing, good news is they are adding a lot more wards to the game. That said the dev's also stated that Housing prices would be "adjusted".

Who wants to bet Square is going to fuck over their players once again, and raise the prices of housing?

I can't really see them lowering house pricing (well maybe lower the medium and high?) so increasing seems like the only viable interpretation of "adjusting" the pricing :(

I know some friends who badly want their own house and have "only" kept 5 million ready because on my server houses are between 4 and 5 mil for a small. If it increases by much (what they can save from now until 3.3?) they're going to lose out again because houses will likely all be sold out again by the time they have the needed money again.

Yea if the price for medium housing goes up I'll be cancelling my Sub and going back to WoW. And even if in the future they were to lower prices once again I wouldn't bother coming back, it says a lot about the company that fucks it's players over.

I wish they'd say by how much they're raising the prices, so I can gauge just how much crafting I should be doing.

People will be SO mad if they raise the prices...

Depending on what server/data center you're on, and in this point in time the richer only got richer... so...

I'd be surprised if it doesn't get raised.

I can't wait to see the new prices... and get disappointed.

It really isn't THAT hard to make gil in this game, as long as you don't just blow it all on stupid crap. I'd be surprised if they lower instead of raised prices.

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Originally Posted by OoglieBooglie

It really isn't THAT hard to make gil in this game, as long as you don't just blow it all on stupid crap. I'd be surprised if they lower instead of raised prices.

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That really depends what realm you're on.

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Originally Posted by Twinbros

So we got more info on housing, good news is they are adding a lot more wards to the game. That said the dev's also stated that Housing prices would be "adjusted".

Who wants to bet Square is going to fuck over their players once again, and raise the prices of housing?

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Of course they going to raise prices, they not going to lower the prices. It pretty much a band aid fix to keep people from buying up plots just to resell cause it the prices are high enough it won't be worth and and only the people that really want a house will fork out the gil to buy one.

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Originally Posted by Twinbros

Yea if the price for medium housing goes up I'll be cancelling my Sub and going back to WoW. And even if in the future they were to lower prices once again I wouldn't bother coming back, it says a lot about the company that fucks it's players over.

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I guess this is goodbye then?

If they raise prices like I expect, then now is the time I have to buy that large... else I won't get one ever.

My initial reaction is that a price reduction is coming, not an increase. Hope I'm right.

Maybe it's an adjustment to rebalance the ridiculous situation where some servers considered "legacy" have much higher housing prices but a weaker economy than predicted.

Hopefully they'll look at all servers & adjust where necessary. What was the economic situation at ARR launch is certainly not the same situation now for many servers.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Maybe it's an adjustment to rebalance the ridiculous situation where some servers considered "legacy" have much higher housing prices but a weaker economy than predicted.

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I'm hoping this, also. At this point, so many years after the game's release, whether the players played the first version of the game shouldn't even have much of an impact anymore, anyway. It'd be about time for them to make it more uniform.

If they raise the prices to ridiculous amounts to keep resellers from buying them all up, though, they'll lose quite a chunk of respect for me, considering they'd be making it equally harder for those who just want their own house to actually get it.

We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Zelas

I'm hoping this, also. At this point, so many years after the game's release, whether the players played the first version of the game shouldn't even have much of an impact anymore, anyway. It'd be about time for them to make it more uniform.

If they raise the prices to ridiculous amounts to keep resellers from buying them all up, though, they'll lose quite a chunk of respect for me, considering they'd be making it equally harder for those who just want their own house to actually get it.

We'll see.

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It won't really be harder cause lot of people already buy houses for a inflated price just look on reddit there a whole section dedicated to it. Say medium on balmung person pretty much selling their rights to give up the house for 50 million gil and then have to buy the actual plot for 37 million which is 87 million so what would be the difference between buying from a person that just flipping the plot cause of a badly done system or buying directly from the system for 80-90 million?

Wow, I guess I never considered prices going up.... I've been saving up for a medium house to share with my fiancé, nieces and nephew for a couple months now and only at 10 million (I live on a "rich" world good population, meaning I need about 20 mil to grab one when it becomes available as they sometimes do). I would be super disappointed if the prices went up and all the housing got gobbled up by resellers. I bought the game for my family for Christmas so I can spend time with them (they live across the country after I moved away for my job). This is the one thing I've been driving for, to put it further out of reach would be a tough blow for me to deal with. I mean, I'm already paying for all of their accounts, give me a break.

*puts optimistic hat back on*

Let's be honest. The housing prices need an increase.

The economy needs more gil sinks desperately. It's so stupid easy to make gil in this game and since a lot of people don't even need to pay for repairs... the only way gil is really sunk on a regular basis is through teleports ( which shouldn't really increase in price, it's torture enough for brand new players lol )

Also with what other people in this thread have mentioned... a price increase won't stop the housing mafia from buying everything up but it will put a roadblock in their way making it easier for the every other man to save up their gil and get their hot little hands on a house.

I remember when my first FC bought their house almost 2 years ago on Gilgamesh the plots were open for months after they doubled the wards. That was because money was harder to come by. Now that you're rolling in gil by the time you get 60 anyone should EASILY be able to save or already have the 5mil for a small.

I have a personal feeling the prices will not increase very much or way too much. Let's see what happens lol

That's kind of how economies work, even virtual ones. So it does not surprise me if they raise the prices. The problem with housing was never the prices to be honest within the grand scheme of things. Everyone can save up for one even if do so at different speeds. The main problem is and always was the shortage of plots, even after 3.3 it will remain a huge problem in general. House prices might put some people off but everyone is capable of making gil and saving up for it.

I care less about a potential rising of house prices than the fact there is so few plots overall, making gil is not limited outside of time and effort willing to put in despite the fact people who already own a house get a huge advantage in that regard, plots are however finite and very limited so no matter how much gil people have they probably won't get one. It is made worse by the introduction of airship ventures and gardens which create a vast amount of additional wealth for the limited amount of house owners (the gap between the rich and the poor increasing), even worse when take into account many people own multiple houses...but in terms of priorities though, plot availability is the biggest issue and wouldn't matter if house cost 1 gil or 1 billion gil if there is not enough plots to go around.

It's very unlikely that prices would go down.

Players are complaining about not being able to buy houses because there is a lack of plots.
Square said they can't add too many plots because of limited server resources.
Some people are buying plots to resell them on their own account or even multiple plots on alts.
They will add a few plots to address a bit housing situation
They will add a flat system in Ishgard to address a bit more housing situation (512 flats per building), most certainly in instantiated zone to avoid resource sink like housing is.

Given all this data, one can only assume that real houses prices will rise A LOT and flats will be affordable.
I wish they'd disallow personal housing except in (big house-like but instantiated) flats, so that the housing wards are full of active FC members ^^

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Originally Posted by Sento-Frost

It's very unlikely that prices would go down.

Players are complaining about not being able to buy houses because there is a lack of plots.
Square said they can't add too many plots because of limited server resources.
Some people are buying plots to resell them on their own account or even multiple plots on alts.
They will add a few plots to address a bit housing situation
They will add a flat system in Ishgard to address a bit more housing situation (512 flats per building), most certainly in instantiated zone to avoid resource sink like housing is.

Given all this data, one can only assume that real houses prices will rise A LOT and flats will be affordable.
I wish they'd disallow personal housing except in (big house-like but instantiated) flats, so that the housing wards are full of active FC members ^^

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What you all are saying makes sense. Damn, I wish I was saving harder earlier! I need to get this done and hope something becomes available!

I expect land plot prices to at least double, current pricing reflect the economy as it was years ago. Since then the average Gil per player has increased substantially. I don't think this will fix the housing Mafia either, there are players out there who would spend 250 m on a large just to get someone to relinquish. There are only 3 larges per ward and you're up against thousands of players, many whom already pay over what they're worth from the server via reselling exploitation.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

The economy needs more gil sinks desperately. It's so stupid easy to make gil in this game and since a lot of people don't even need to pay for repairs... the only way gil is really sunk on a regular basis is through teleports ( which shouldn't really increase in price, it's torture enough for brand new players lol )

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This person is right, it really easy to make gil in the game, especially if person has their crafts/gathering jobs leveled. So if a person really puts their best effort forward they easily have enough for a medium house easily. I'm kind of a slacker though so I don't make as much gil as I could but I bought a medium house and had the gil made back in like a week.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

It won't really be harder cause lot of people already buy houses for a inflated price just look on reddit there a whole section dedicated to it. Say medium on balmung person pretty much selling their rights to give up the house for 50 million gil and then have to buy the actual plot for 37 million which is 87 million so what would be the difference between buying from a person that just flipping the plot cause of a badly done system or buying directly from the system for 80-90 million?

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All the more reason to just allow direct selling... Pay the seller and get the house instead of paying the seller to demolish then having to pay for the lot as well. Plus, it would allow people to just go around buying houses, decorating, then selling a furnished house that looks incredible to someone who otherwise wouldn't have been able to do such a miraculous job at it.

Twinbros, you're going to leave ff for "fucking" its players over on housing, and are going to go back to WoW, just because of housing? wow has had a long and illustrious career of royally screwing players, and over things that were a LOT less trivial than housing. housing is nice, but it doesnt affect your gameplay, or screw you from being able to raid. But please, if you're going to rage quit because of housing alone, don't let the door hot you on the way out, and see you in a ciuple months, you'll be back. :)

Let's face it. Housing could be anything for a player's point of view. But for SE and game economic, housing serves for one sole purpose- recycling Gil. There are millions of ways you can earn Gils from the game, but very few way to be recycled back to the game. Consequences are inflation. If the dev team doesn't do anything about it, all players' Gils will become merely useless number one day. Then the only way to buys thing for a player not willing to quit theirs real life for farming would have to go RMT. For the sake of a healthy game economics, I don't think raising the housing price is a bad idea. I'm a relatively new player to this game and community. One of my goal is buying a house and I barely having 2 mil in possession now. But I'll support SE in any price tag they are going to put on the new housing because it's going to benefit me in a long run.

I just don't understand why housing wasn't limited to one house per account and one house per fc in the first place. That would have stopped the real estate market before it began.

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Originally Posted by Miroku

I just don't understand why housing wasn't limited to one house per account and one house per fc in the first place. That would have stopped the real estate market before it began.

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No, it would have barely dented it. Most of the flipped houses were not bought with alts.

Ah well, it appears I am too late anyway... Everything is bought up right now in all cities. Typically I could find one small or medium, but alas. I really dislike the black market housing too.

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Originally Posted by Avlon

Ah well, it appears I am too late anyway... Everything is bought up right now in all cities. Typically I could find one small or medium, but alas. I really dislike the black market housing too.

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You're not too late. They haven't added the new wards yet. Just be ready to jump on a new plot when 3.3 hits.

Too late to get in on the cheaper pricing before the new wards are released and the prices are "adjusted".

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Originally Posted by Avlon

Too late to get in on the cheaper pricing before the new wards are released and the prices are "adjusted".

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This. I'm gonna have to likely buy off the housing black market or something... to hedge against too high prices in 3.3.

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Originally Posted by Virlym

All the more reason to just allow direct selling...

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Problem has been stated in previous comments, when housing came out Square Enix intended it to be a gil sink, so that currency get destroyed from the game. As said by Youkulm, there is not enough gil sink and people are getting richer and richer every day. I think Square will adjust the prices in the same way as when housing came out, so that the gil sink works again.

If you remember housing patch, most FC could not afford any house, and housing plots remained up and available for months, prices had the time to go down to the minimum price (half the price) before someone had the gil to spend on it. If they want it to work again that way, I think doubling prices won't be enough and we're more talking about x5 or even more, at least on my server.

People are buying everyday allagan replicas and other glamour stuff at the price of half a house, that's saying a lot about their purse status !

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Originally Posted by Sento-Frost

If you remember housing patch, most FC could not afford any house, and housing plots remained up and available for months, prices had the time to go down to the minimum price (half the price) before someone had the gil to spend on it. If they want it to work again that way, I think doubling prices won't be enough and we're more talking about x5 or even more, at least on my server.

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If you remember that patch, and the housing numbers it came with, you'd know how badly that turned out. The prices on the houses were insane, and there was a good reason why the housing prices were decreased by a lot.

http://i.imgur.com/Bsn12dW.png

I also don't think a big one-time purchase works all that well as a gil sink. A better gil sink is taking something that's used on a daily basis, and adding a small gil price to it.

Take the mini cactpot for example, a lot of players do that on a daily basis. Imagine if they were to replace the cost from 100/200/300 MGP to 500/1,000/2,000 gil.
3,500 gil may seem like a small amount, but if 1000 characters were to do this per day, that'd be 3.5 million gil removed from the game. 105 million over the course of a month.

I keep smh when it comes to housing in here, I love many aspects of the game and give se credit on that!.

But housing....just wow. To think Rift has a design that makes housing so incredibly affordable, and available to every single player old or new. A design that does NOT destroy items once placed, that allows for 100% unique and extremely creative designs...with item limits in the thousands, with dimension space allotted that is utterly huge!!!

I still play Rift for the superior housing alone, but it is a shame that ffxiv, game I hoped was going to be more advanced and superior in this regard simply because it is so much newer...has placed the most restrictions, limitations, inflated gouging cost wise, and creative stifling I could ever imagine, all wrapped up into one bad design. ughhh
I feel for everyone tbh, I do. I hope prices do not increase, waiting years for them is enough punishment for those still searching for one. :eek:

Yeah Nezerius but even after price drop, housing plots were still available for long times and prices had the time to go down every 6 hours.
We'll see but I'm pretty sure it'll be way more than x2, at least for small and medium plot.

I just changed servers, now it's just when my stuff sells, I get my house... instead of relying on the housing black market.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

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I can still afford a large personal house at max price, according to that list, on everything but legacy server prices. I'm not even that rich, I haven't made gil in years.

Yeah... we need to see prices like this again. Though I still think the max price should be higher.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I can still afford a large personal house at max price, according to that list, on everything but legacy server prices. I'm not even that rich, I haven't made gil in years.

Yeah... we need to see prices like this again. Though I still think the max price should be higher.

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Basing off the fact that Behemoth is on the 3rd tier of that pricing list, I wouldn't consider 100-125 million gil to be "not even that rich", a lot of players don't have half of that amount.

Having the new wards with prices that are even higher than the 2.1 prices would just turn those wards into ghost towns. Kinda like how some wards are now, except without any houses.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Basing off the fact that Behemoth is on the 3rd tier of that pricing list, I wouldn't consider 100-125 million gil to be "not even that rich", a lot of players don't have half of that amount.

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We should not be basing it on how much people have, but what they can make. It's much easier to make gil than it was back when I made my gil. Most people don't have that much because they put little to no effort into making gil.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

No, it would have barely dented it. Most of the flipped houses were not bought with alts.

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Maybe on your server. There is an individual on our server whose whole intention of buying houses, is to own all 9 types of houses! They currently own FIVE HOMES! They also have an insane amount of gil because their life revolves around nothing but selling anything and everything. They cannot do content at all. They buy their wins, which can be proven on their own Youtube channel.

Now I have a decent amount of gil saved up. More than enough to buy a medium house at the ORIGINAL prices when housing first opened up. If they increase the prices, that may now put my chances of getting said medium I have been waiting on for years now, out of reach. And it WILL allow people as the one mentioned above who have unlimited gil the opportunity to buy the other FOUR houses out of their wanted 9, buy more OVER that amount and then resell them. The system is flawed.