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I don't agree with this.. It's a big finger to the consumers buying a PS4 recently because soon the console they just bought will be slightly outdated, and that doesn't feel fair.

I agree with Colin that they should just wait a few more years and call is PlayStation 5..

I never thought Sony could screw them self so badly, they're doing so good right now!!! Why!!!

I don't even know if FFXIV will change with this. And what about FFXV??

The only good point I can see with this is they lower the current PS4 price so people can just pick that up for cheaper -_-.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

I don't agree with this.. It's a big finger to the consumers buying a PS4 recently because soon the console they just bought will be slightly outdated, and that doesn't feel fair.

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The key point is that all new games must support both the old and new PS4 configurations.

So owners of the original PS4 can still play every game that gets released, while people who feel like upgrading can enjoy higher resolutions or framerates in every new release.

It's just adapting consoles to the same way all other consumer electronics work, like different versions of iPhone coming each year, or the New 3DS which is faster.

Its... really not that big a deal. It is an upgrade, but its not a complete console gen leap upgrade. Besides that, this isn't the first time Sony has done this. They have always upgraded all their platforms over time.

As for FF14, again, the difference between vanilla PS4 and Neo won't be that noticeable compared to how the game runs on PS3 vs PS4.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

It's just adapting consoles to the same way all other consumer electronics work, like different versions of iPhone coming each year, or the New 3DS which is faster.

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The PS4 is not a iPhone or a 3DS and nor should it "adapt" as fast as these. -_-

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Originally Posted by Morzy

The PS4 is not a iPhone or a 3DS and nor should it "adapt" as fast as these. -_-

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But it did. So it is. As it does. As it will do.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Its... really not that big a deal. It is an upgrade, but its not a complete console gen leap upgrade. Besides that, this isn't the first time Sony has done this. They have always upgraded all their platforms over time.

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Maybe not to you, but this is a slap in the face to those that just bought the PS4 and a future headache for game developers thta now have to make two versions for the same game just because Sony wanted to make a unnecessary(subjective) upgrade. And no, they haven't upgraded consoles in this way. Sure the PS1/PS2/PS3 upgrades might have ran smoother, didn't overheat as much or were physically slightly different, but there wasn't a literal hardware change like this.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

As for FF14, again, the difference between vanilla PS4 and Neo won't be that noticeable compared to how the game runs on PS3 vs PS4.

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Whether FFXIV changed is strictly up to Sony, as current PS4 games are optional to patch for Neo.

the hardware increase isn't all that significant, I notice the article you linked didn't give any of the hardware specs that it'll have, I didn't watch the video though, but:

Original PS4 CPU - 8 Jaguar Cores at 1.6 GHz

NEO CPU - 8 Jaguar Cores at 2.1 GHz

Original PS4 GPU - AMD GCN, 18 CUs at 800 MHz

NEO GPU - Improved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz

Original PS4 Memory - 8 GB GDDR5, 176 GB/s

NEO Memory - 8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s

as you can see, it's an upgrade, but it's rather a small one, now, I know, lots of people find this to be a horrible thing, but;

PS1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_models
PS2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2_models
PS3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_models
PSP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templa..._of_PSP_Models

you can easily see the differences made there, and can cross reference by looking up the Serial/SKUs. This is not a bad thing to do, if anything it gives a longer life expectancy per generation, and you're not going to be locked out of being able to play new games without a new console (*cough*nintendo*coughcough*).

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Originally Posted by Morzy

And no, they haven't upgraded consoles in this way. Sure the PS1/PS2/PS3 upgrades might have ran smoother, didn't overheat as much or were physically slightly different, but there wasn't a literal hardware change like this.

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There actually ARE *LITERAL* hardware changes, if you look at the pages I linked.


Ultimately, the changes will most likely be about as noticable as what you see if you put an SSD in a ps4 in comparison to a HDD with FFXIV. It runs a little faster, but it's not going to be something that gives such a difference that people will be obligated to run out and upgrade asap. These changes HONESTLY are most likely more for the VR portion of the console, as they will be capable of holding a more stable fidelity within the VR environment with these upgrades, since dropping frames, etc can lead to severe nausea.

Final edit: At least they're not pulling a nintendo and making games that will ONLY run on the PSNeo, leaving all of us that bought one early on out in the dust, like Nintendo is doing with the 3DS family.

I also don't see the big deal here. Anything Sony makes for the PS4 will run on both consoles, and performance differences are likely to be minimal. If anything, this might be mostly a PR thing to keep an advantage over Microsoft and not give up ground to the Nintendo NX, which is expected to debut with more powerful hardware than the current-gen PS4.

Also, I expect Sony to charge a bit more for the 4.5. Cha-ching!

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Originally Posted by Thayos

I also don't see the big deal here. Anything Sony makes for the PS4 will run on both consoles, and performance differences are likely to be minimal. If anything, this might be mostly a PR thing to keep an advantage over Microsoft and not give up ground to the Nintendo NX, which is expected to debut with more powerful hardware than the current-gen PS4.

Also, I expect Sony to charge a bit more for the 4.5. Cha-ching!

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Sony already said the PSNeo will run for 399 MSRP while (currently, at least) the PS4 runs for 350-399

If the NEO is real, and SE actually makes anything about FFXIV for it... It's going to be on the level of more stable and high framerates where framerates may have suffered previously. Anything beyond that, you can pretty much forget about.

I think it will just change that in future the games have an option in the configs to choose between PS4 mode or PS4.5 mode.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

If the NEO is real, and SE actually makes anything about FFXIV for it... It's going to be on the level of more stable and high framerates where framerates may have suffered previously. Anything beyond that, you can pretty much forget about.

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the NEO is very real, and coming later this year, and what you said is about all it really will do, it's not going to massively jump games to a "next gen" or anything like that, it's very, very small upgrades, as I said in my larger post, most likely to backend the PSVR that's coming.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think it will just change that in future the games have an option in the configs to choose between PS4 mode or PS4.5 mode.

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It'll be an option, or the game data will automatically select when the game is loaded/installed, I'd prefer an automatic select, myself.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

There actually ARE *LITERAL* hardware changes, if you look at the pages I linked.

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I suppose what I should have said is there were never hardware changes that required the game developers to separate the two consoles by making two versions of the same game for each old and upgraded versions.

An opinion article at GameZone agrees with Morzy, that a new version when the capabilities of the original haven't been maxed out yet is bad timing:
http://www.gamezone.com/originals/th...-everyone-jzyi

Though it has some valid points, I'm not entirely sure if I agree. All consoles have had multiple newer models come out throughout their lifespans. It may come down to being mainly a marketing issue. Hype Neo too much and it ends up making the regular PS4s look bad. Don't hype it enough, and people are left wondering why bother with the new one. This is essentially just a new model PS4, not all that different from the many times that PS1, 2, or 3 came out with newer models with slightly upgraded hardware. But this time, Sony seems to be hyping the new one more, by upgrading its platform name to "4.5". That might put it into the "too much hype" category where it makes their current product look bad. But that's marketing having that effect, more than the product itself.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Though it has some valid points, I'm not entirely sure if I agree. All consoles have had multiple newer models come out throughout their lifespans. It may come down to being mainly a marketing issue. Hype Neo too much and it ends up making the regular PS4s look bad. Don't hype it enough, and people are left wondering why bother with the new one. This is essentially just a new model PS4, not all that different from the many times that PS1, 2, or 3 came out with newer models with slightly upgraded hardware. But this time, Sony seems to be hyping the new one more, by upgrading its platform name to "4.5". That might put it into the "too much hype" category where it makes their current product look bad. But that's marketing having that effect, more than the product itself.

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It's a lot different that the older modles, compared to the upgraed versions with PS1/PS2PS3. It might not seem like much but it may as well be a different console and considering it's .5 and it requires more from game developers than the PS4, I'd say it is a different console. fat PS3 and PS3 slim are sitll PS3, but this PS4.5 isn't PS4.0.

what does this have to do with FF14 tho, ps4 or ps4.5, FF14 will play the exact same way on both consoles, content wise. i dont much care about higher FPS or better resolution than what i already have now so.dont affect me

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

what does this have to do with FF14 tho, ps4 or ps4.5, FF14 will play the exact same way on both consoles, content wise. i dont much care about higher FPS or better resolution than what i already have now so.dont affect me

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It seems kind of analogous to offering directx 11 support for PC (which got added to FFXIV a while back, I think when the HW expansion came out or around then). Not every PC can support it, but many can. Not every PC player cares about it, but some do. It doesn't change the content of the game, but might make the graphics run a bit better for those who use it.

Similarly, the Neo won't change the content on consoles, and not all console users will have it (or care about it) but some will get it and appreciate the improved resolution.

The biggest difference is that the Neo will be new whereas directx 11 had been around quite a while. (But then again, it's quite likely that FFXIV won't directly support 4.5 until after it too has been around a while. It's not like every PS4 game is going to have a 4.5 version. It's possible for developers to optimize their software for the new platform, and give out a 4.5 specific version, but not required. The Neo will still play 4.0 games, as it still is essentially a PS4.)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

It's possible for developers to optimize their software for the new platform, and give out a 4.5 specific version, but not required.

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And they would do it mostly with a patch, not with a new disc just for the 4.5 version.


I see the PS4.5 only as relevant if you have a 4k TV or if you want to play with the PlayStation VR