Hello!
I haven't seen much in the way of % rates people are having with the forbidden melding process. I started a small collection of data from my own experiences and wanted to share my thoughts and see if anyone else had some info they would like to share. I would love to start a collection of the % rates people are having with this process. I did manage to meld a second materia onto a piece of gear (be it a small one even) so I did manage to get some possible % rates for the third materia slotting as well.
There are a few things I've gathered so far as possible theories:
1) Things like Gear do not matter when melding (unconfirmed tools)
2) How much a materia gives can effect the % rate of the meld.
3) Melding a different kind of materia other than the original one you put on lowers the % of your success on your next meld.
(Example: Adding a STR materia to a item that already has STR on it is more likely to succeed than adding a DEX materia to an item that already has STR on it.)
4) Melding a lower tier materia first increases your chances of melding another matiera regardless of tier.
(Example: You have a better chance to meld a tier IV STR materia after originally melding a tier I STR than you do trying to meld a tier I STR materia to something that already has a tier IV STR materia on it.)
5) The level of the item seems to effect the % rate of meld (possibly harder to meld to lower tier gear!)
6) Undetermined if your level effects the %
7) Undetermined if the more melds you have done collectively effects the %
8) To the dismay of some, it might actually be that the Quality of the item being melded into DECREASES the % rate of the next materia meld if it's higher than NQ.
Collective Melding Research:
New Data Under Study:
Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets [NQ] Level: 48 (50 ARM)
materia 1: [ 100%] +4 ATK Heaven's Fist (Tier I )
materia 2: [ 42%] +8 ATK Heaven's Fist (Tier I )
materia 3: [29.5%] +15 STR Strength (Tier III) <Failed>
Bladed Lantern Shield [NQ] Level: 39 (attempted at level 50 arm)
materia slot 1: [ 100%] +4 DEF Blood Wall (tier I )
materia slot 2: [ 34%] +6 DEF Blood Wall (tier I )
materia slot 3: [ 16%] +12 DEF Blood Wall (tier II )
materia slot 3: [ 19%] +10 DEF Blood wall (tier II )
Previous Inconclusive Data:
Boarskin Ringband of Flames lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)
materia slot 1: 100% (tier I) str
materia slot 2: 41% (tier I) str
39.5 (tier II) str
38.5% (tier II) dex
38.5% (tier II) m.crit %
38% (tier III) str
34.5% (tier IV) str
Boarskin Ringband of Flames lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)
materia slot 1: 100% (tier I) str
materia slot 2: 41% (tier I) str
materia slot 3: 35% (tier I) str
34.5% (tier I) dex
33.5% (tier II) str
32% (tier II) dex
32% (tier II) m.crit %
31.5% (tier III) str
Boarskin Ringband of Tremors lvl 46 (attemmpted at level 46 gsm)
materia slot 1: 100% (tier II) str
materia slot 2: 38% (tier I) str
36.5 % (tier II) str
35.5 % (tier II) dex
35.5% (tier II) m.crit %
35% (tier III) str
31.5% (tier IV) str
Boarskin Ringband of Frost lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)
materia slot 1: 100% (tier III) str
materia slot 2: 33.5% (tier 1) str
32% (tier II) str
30.5% (tier II) dex
30.5% (tier II) m.crit %
30% (tier III) str
27% (tier IV) str
Boarskin Ringband of Gales +1 lvl 46 (attempted at level 46 gsm)
materia slot 1: 100% (tier III) magic crit potentcy
materia slot 2: 32.5% (tier I) str
30.5% (tier II) str
29.5% (tier II) m.crit %
29.5% (tier II) dex
29% (tier IV) str
Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets lvl 48 (attempted at level 50 arm)
materia slot 1: 100% (tier II) str
materia slot 2: 35 % (tier I) str
34.5% (tier I) dex
33.5% (tier II) str
32% (tier II) dex
32% (tier II) m.crit %
30.5% (tier III) str
Please feel free to add to this at all. I hope I didn't start a thread someone else did already. I did see one thread, but it was more speculation than anything. =)
Materia Melding (Forbidden) Collective
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10-26-2011, 03:27 AMEldaenaMateria Melding (Forbidden) Collective
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10-26-2011, 03:53 AMEldaena
No responses at all? lol Is everyone being stingy or are they checking rates right now? XD
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10-26-2011, 04:18 AMRoyal
Post in general forums imo.
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10-26-2011, 04:37 AMEstellios
I haven't done extreme in-depth testing, but on 41+ gear, attaching a T4 Materia to a piece of gear with a T4 materia already attached has a success rate around 15%, it seems to be based on the actual value of the materia within that tier (so, for example, a T4 HP Materia that has 60 HP will have a higher success rate than one with 70 HP). I actually managed to succeed at that and trying to attach another T4 gave me around 8% chance of success, so I'm guessing it drops by half each time you add the same tier.
Adding a T3 Materia to something with T3 on it already gave me about 28% chance of success... but that blew up, go figure =P -
10-26-2011, 05:42 AMtymora
Woolen Work Gloves as 50 WVR -
Materia 1 = +3 STR (T1)
Materia 2 = +8 STR (T3 39%)
+10 DEX (T3 26%) -
10-26-2011, 06:19 AMEldaenaFrom what it seems regardless if it's + 6 or +10, it doesn't change the % rate of success for the meld. However, the different types of materia, like dex and str, do seem to matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tymora
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10-26-2011, 08:28 AMMeowyWowieThis is false..Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldaena
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10-26-2011, 08:38 AMEldaenaFirst and foremost I said these were theories. Second of all, based on my tries it didn't matter if a tier 1 str materia gave me +1 str or +5 the % was the same. 41% (for second materia on a ringband that already had a tier 1 str on it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowyWowie
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10-26-2011, 09:04 AMMeowyWowieSorry, I didn't mean to offend.. Just letting you know that it is in fact false, at least for higher tier materia / higher level gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldaena
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10-26-2011, 10:29 AMEldaenaWell, I'm not so much offended that you didn't read what I typed as I am a little lost with your statement. Can you give further information to support your statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowyWowie
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10-26-2011, 11:01 AMMeowyWowieSure, will post pics later. Doing Ifrit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldaena
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10-26-2011, 12:04 PMMikitaHi. I've only just started experimenting with Forbidden Materia on low level items and low level materia... but I wanted to say THANK YOU for sharing your experience with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldaena
Maybe not? I'm a level 50 weaver and was attaching Grade 1 STR materia to cotton half gloves as my first dabblings.Quote:
6) Undetermined if your level effects the %
Only a few tries so far, but each second materia meld attempt was 29% even though I am far overranked for the item and the materia.
If I understand correctly, for the same grade of materia, the actual stat bonus does not affect your percent chance of success?Quote:
2) How much a materia gives you does not effect the %
(Example: getting +1 str or +5 str doesn't effect the % outcome)
So far that seems correct. I had a bunch of Grade 1 STR materia in +1, +2 and +3 varieties, and each time there was the same 29% chance of success on the second meld. -
10-26-2011, 01:16 PMCousinjimmy
The diminishing return curve on materia meld on NQ items occurs at around (Tier III Max -1) + (Tier III Max -1), the success percentage start to decrease in 1.00% instead of 0.50% for every increment of grade. The next limit of success percentage occurs at around (Tier IV Min +1) + (Tier IV Min +1), where success rate drops 2% for each increment of grade on a single materia. In other words, shii start to get real around Max T3 x2 meld, and you'll be crazy to meld max T4 +T4s atm.
Also, for melds beyond the second one, it seems the success ratio is folded in half. Thus in hypothesis if one were to attch five identical Tier III max materias to the same NQ item, the success ratio would be something like the following:
100% (1st) >> 22% >> 11% >> 5.5% >> 2.75%
This by no means is conclusive, we still need to gather up more data. What we do know atm is HQ base raises the base success percentage thus making higher grade melds more viable. Also if one wants to attach multiple materias to the same item, start with the lowest grade first, it'll help out the success rate. -
10-26-2011, 07:11 PMMedura
Level 29 wvr
str+5 (i) 100% -> str+3 (i) 24% -> str+3 (i) 7%
where did you get "half" from? -
10-26-2011, 09:30 PMEldaenaQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikita
Yes, I mean the within the single tier. I think STR materia tier I can only be between +1 STR and +5 STR. And I never saw a difference of % as long as the materia was the same tier. -
10-26-2011, 09:38 PMEldaenaI don't think this is conclusive at all. You're not factoring in what gear you're putting it on and what level it is. Maybe that is statistically correct for the piece you've been putting it on, but that may not be conclusive with all gear. You are correct that we need more data though. Information like what I posted originally would be significantly helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cousinjimmy
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10-27-2011, 01:10 AMMeowyWowie
Here are some examples, as promised. Sorry it took so long.
Felt Trousers (Red)
Base Materia: Ironman's Will III (STR+4 VIT+4)
M2 Materia: Ironman's Will III (STR+4 VIT+4), Ironman's Will III (STR+5 VIT+5), Ironman's Will IV (STR+7 VIT+7)
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...tTrousers1.jpg
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...tTrousers2.jpg
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...tTrousers3.jpg
I got the T4 to meld finally (7th attempt) lol :D
And here's an example with M2 gear
Cobalt Sollerets (Red) +1
Base Materia: Bloodthirst III (HP+47) + Bloodthirst IV (HP+70)
M3 Materia: Bloodthirst III (HP+40), Bloodthirst III (HP+44)
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...Sollerets1.jpg
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/...Sollerets2.jpg
Didn't attempt to M3 these, went 1/1 on the first attempt and I'm happy with them lol.
But as you can see, at least with higher tier materia / higher level gear, the probability of success does in fact change with grades within tiers. -
10-28-2011, 01:13 AMEldaena
I'm compiling further info and it is looking as if Meowy is correct. The amount the materia gives you CAN effect the % rate, but it doesn't always. ^^ I'll post new info soon.
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10-28-2011, 06:47 AMEldaena
Updated the first post. =)