Of this situation.
Win game whole match, but unable to close out because it is extremely difficult to kill a tank when the respawn timers are so low and the enemy team sits in their base to cheese respawns.
Last 30 seconds of the match, enemy melee LB's person with most medals. Enemy tank picks it up and runs around, using their invincibility CD if things get hairy.
The bad team now wins for exploiting a terrible system that is supposed to be competitive.
The underlying issue I have with the game mode is that for some reason it punishes good players and rewards bad players to make it "fair". Honestly, the only fix I can see is a nerf to melee LB. Make it not scale off a damage increases from Heavy Medal.
I've stopped playing The Feast because...
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03-27-2016, 10:16 AMRenaultI've stopped playing The Feast because...
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03-27-2016, 10:49 AMRufalusI fully agree with anyone who suggests melee adrenaline nerf as a solution. It's far too easy for somebody to get a kill using that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renault
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03-27-2016, 11:03 AMRiceisNice
That's the entire point of heavy medal though; you don't want to encourage the other team to stack all the medals on one player. That's just going to allow for A: the stacks to pile up and B: For a single death be all that much more detrimental due to the value lost. Even against a 4 stack tank (which only takes 200 medals, or 2 kills on different players) is still quite a lot to burst down, espesically if they're in tank stance and the enemy's healer is still alive. That's not even mentioning off you're focusing entirely on their tank and their dps is allowed freely practice their dark dividends, even if you do use LB haphazardly.
At the same time, even 2 stacks turns your dps into such a squishy target, it gives Issac Clark a run for his money on just how easily gibbed you are. It was a change that unnecessarily affected non-tanks, and hasn't put much burden on tanks to begin with until they reach that 9 stacks.
But even at 2 stacks, an LB by itself is not lethal provided you have proper precautions on everyone. It's like any other non-LB burst.
http://puu.sh/nViZy/a1d0441155.png.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhode
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03-27-2016, 11:47 AMRhode
Every job aside from SCH can stun, which stops an LB flat out.
They said they are adjusting the map itself so there is less interference of line-of-sight and they are making it so adrenaline is accumulated faster. -
03-27-2016, 01:14 PMIsalaUh... BRD can't. SMN without Ifrit can't. BLM can't. BRD has PvP Knockback... And BLM has Sleep, but they're nowhere near as useful for LB interrupt as a stun. And SMN just gets the shaft. Again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhode
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03-27-2016, 02:28 PMRenaultFetter WardQuote:
Originally Posted by Rhode
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03-27-2016, 03:39 PMRhodeIt's a good skill, though it can be ripped off by PLD/MNK/ASTQuote:
Originally Posted by Renault
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03-27-2016, 05:59 PMxxczxnobody is going to bother taking fetter ward off you because there is no point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhode
it lasts for 12 seconds plus pld/ast skill is on cd and is a waste if you're going for fetter ward and mnk is gcd. by the time mnk has gotten round to taking fetter ward off from all the other buffs you have, fetter ward would be nearly up.
sounds to me like you're complaining for no reason. learn to LB bud. -
03-27-2016, 10:04 PMitsoni
1. Part of being a "good" team/player is knowing how to deal with this. Have a WAR? Push the healer off the edge and HG them at the bottom. Stunlock while your DPS kill theirs and bring your medals back. Got a PLD? Chainstun. BLM/WHM? Sleep.
2. 6+ stacks is stupidly easy to kill a tank through, even in tank stance. It can take around 30 seconds if the tank speads his CD's properly but with both dps on him, he should still go down pretty fast. The VUL will just be too high. As a DRG I can down a tank in around 3 fully buffed GCD's (w/ 1 or 2 oGCD's) if they have 6 or more stacks. A full rotation if they've got CD's up.
3. Melee LB is a "game changer". If the tank is hoarding medals (which he obviously shouldnt be) then he needs to save his CD's for surviving the remainder of the fight at the correct times. A good player can easily hit a stun during an LB and shut it down.
It just comes down to the quality of the player and if the team is aware enough to capitalise on the play. -
03-28-2016, 12:45 AMSynestraProblem i noticed is that if i dont take them then nobody will take them, either you grab them all or let them rot in ground untill despawn. Sure you can shout in chat but usually with randoms none of them even reads it because they are busy at zerging a healer that has 0 medals....Quote:
Originally Posted by itsoni
Lack of teamwork and coordination is pretty much main reason why im not arsed to do Feast at all atm, sometimes you get awsome group that plays well together but sadly its pretty damn rare :( -
03-28-2016, 02:54 AMkonage
Feast is terrible, enough said. It's SE way to make "competitive" pvp for the masses. Competitive and casual does not go well together
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03-28-2016, 07:23 AMDimitriiThis. Who bothers to try to intentionally remove fetter ward via dispel effect lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxczx
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03-28-2016, 07:29 AMfm_fenrirYeah, this is my biggest issue. Nobody grabs medals when they drop, but as soon as I die from picking them up, all the armchair generals come crawling out to demand why I'm taking all the medals as DPS. Maybe you should get them then, 7 medal healer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestra
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03-28-2016, 10:32 AMIsalaOr, in some cases, they've actually turned off chat because "PvPers are too toxic to talk to." No joke, there are actually people proud of turning off their chat in Ranked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestra
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03-28-2016, 05:47 PMMaddoniousThe point was to stop tanks from hoarding them all, not act like a permanent handicap to allow the other team to win. I have so many matches where my groups destroys the enemy team but due to how long each match is the game it gives them culling time to try to take back the medals they lost. I understand the reason for this system but atm its being abused as a last min win against a slightly better team. Its punishing teams that barely get an advantage in a fight against a group of similar skill and just allows them a huge time window to try to take it back. By the end the healer is pry out of mp and we have no way to stop the damage increases on our guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
The heavy medals buffs currently are not fair to the better teams. I understand you have to spread the medals out to reduce the chance of one target being super squishy but then it just makes EVERYONE on the team weaker to damage and as a blm/mch/brd/smn you dont want to be even squishier then you are before just because your team was better. That is not a fair system to allow the other team a handicap, its just not.
Just give us a lvl 60 wolfs den if SE wants it to be faster. Not this medal bullshit that is horribly handicapping a better team.
Competitive....... HA! I dont see DoTa giving the losing team 50k free gold to try to make a comeback. -
03-28-2016, 06:26 PMIsala
I'm... just tired of the Feast. So tired. And I see it in the streamers that play it as well. You can see it in their eyes, and the tone of their voice. They start off the stream all happy. "I'm having fun!" And then the losses take their toll. Terrible groups. Last minute losses to melee LB. Trolls. Bots. So many situations you can literally do nothing about. There's a feeling of hopelessness that sets in after a while. You queue in, hoping against hope, that maybe this time, you'll get the good players you recognize on your team, but no... It's that AST who spends more time humping the floor than healing. It's that DRG that ignores focus targets, and runs in with 5 stacks. It's that DRK who spends the entire match in tank stance, and beats on the other tank. It's that BRD who doesn't understand how to use the PvP song when the healer is OOM, and doesn't know how Blood for Blood works.
And it's every. Single. Match. Watching your rating plummet, like a falling rock. Going from almost gold, to 500 purgatory again. Seeing the same depression hit all your friends in the Feast.
I've had my friends tell me to just walk away, and stop playing, because they can hear the frustration in me building after every pathetic loss.
I had so many hopes... So many. Finally, something I could enjoy. Instead, I'm starting to hate myself. To hate the game. To hate every horrible scrub who decides to enter the Feast, and fail over, and over, and over again. To see the names of the players on your team, and know immediately how the match is going to go. There's the healer who can't stay alive for 5 seconds. There's the tunnel vision DPS... And, oh. The trifecta. The tank who's going to run into the enemy base with all the medals he picked up, provided we actually manage to get any.
If this is the "Competitive PvP" SE has to offer, then as soon as I get my Gloria mount, I'm out. I'm done. I've been a PvPer for over a decade. It's what I do, what I have always done in every MMO that allows me to do so. But this... garbage? It's killing any desire to PvP at all in this game. -
03-28-2016, 07:06 PMMaddonious-----This is mostly related to 4v4 (solo) as I find 8v8 is way way way more balanced overall. (but bad players in 8v8 still ahere to my post)Quote:
Originally Posted by Isala
My frustration is building each day too. I've stopped screaming due to my throat getting to sore and just resort to crying now when a player on my team screws up our victory with less then a min left. You can always tell when members on your team are not doing eveything they can to kill the other members. I see so many get away with literal 1 hit left because the tanks/melee forget they have ranged attacks (well not mnk).
The amount of stupidity and lack of commonsense in this mode, paired with the fact that it doesn't group up similar ranks together and just forces you to play with the unranked casuals, has made me think some dark thoughts. It makes me question how the human race has survived so long up to this point when people, with an entire min of planning at the start ,say nothing and cant follow the single instruction they are given by me..... "Only focus the marked target". I have tanks/dps just attack whoever they want like they never even acknowledged my instructions. They join pvp in hopes of achieving glory of solo killing someone or just to farm lore most likely. I handle the markings, I handle the plan at the start, I handle the macros and alerts........ and they cant follow one, or any, of the simplest instructions I could type out beyond "run" (which they ignore anyway thinking they can kill that guy with the healer protecting him all alone). It makes me weep for humanity, it really does.
Once I get my mount im walking away and never looking back. This mode failed so hard out of the gate that eventually people will just use it to farm lore and give up on trying to attain anything related to pvp. Its a joke, a complete and utter joke and SE should feel ashamed at what they have created. You cant just toss a game mode into a game unfinished. -
03-28-2016, 11:12 PMRiceisNiceThis is hardly the case unless you allow it to happen due to tunnel visioning or recklessly picking medals up. First death drops 50 medals, thats only enough for 1 stack. If you do a complete party wipe on the enemy team, they each drop 50, totaling up to 600 for a win (and no one ever goes above a stack). If you kill the same person twice, they drop 25 medals on their second death, totaling 175 medals on one person if they picked up both instances for two stacks. That's a problem on a non-tank (which is why I disagree with the change to begin with), but at the same time, a tank scoffs off a 30% damage penalty. Or someone else picks up the medals and they get no stacks because the first threshold is at 150 medals. If you were evenly distributing out the medals, it wouldn't get so far out of hand that you'll become a high profile target, even 1 stacks on a non-tank is manageable, provided they aren't doing something stupid like B4B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddonious
While the competitive nature of feast is a joke for other reasons, DotA gives a massive gold reward (and a massive gold loss for the person that dies). It still becomes a high stake game if you manage to flunk up due to the longer respawn times at your level and the massive gold payout to the other team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddonious
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03-29-2016, 12:33 AMSynestraAlmost spilled my morning coffee all over the keyboard >_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddonious
Lack of commonsense today in all areas of daily life is scary and i wonder how long humanity can survive before extinction, you can see it everywhere specially in games or in anything that requires even small tought process. Hell some peoples cant even find information eventho we are living a age of information abundance thanks to internet and google, not sure if i should blame technology for dumping down humanity or what.