PSA: Stuns in The Feast

For those of you that don't tank in Feast this is how stunning works.

4 Seconds > 2 Seconds > 1 Second > Immune for about 30-60 seconds.

So for those of you that are screaming at the tank that they are not staying on the healer and not keeping them stunned, that is because it is impossible.

Uhm, I'm pretty sure healers don't build an immunity to spell interrupts from standard actions. In fact, I am certain of it. They must have popped equanimity, used swiftcast, surecast or lightspeed to get around it.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Uhm, I'm pretty sure healers don't build an immunity to spell interrupts from standard actions. In fact, I am certain of it. They must have popped equanimity, used swiftcast, surecast or lightspeed to get around it.

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They don't. The OP is wrong about that; however, the healer does not necessarily have to use swift/surecast or lightspeed to avoid a tank, either. The Op is correct that keeping the healer from casting with standard attack actions is impossible. So complaining to the Tank when they move off of the healer is an ignorant complaint to throw in a Tank's face.

A lot of people seem to think that, as long as the Tank is maintaining their attack on the healer they can lock down all their casts. That's not how it works. Firstly, not all standard actions interrupt cast bars. The attack has to reach a certain dmg threshold to cause an interrupt. That threshold is effected by the target's hp and overall defense (hence why healers in Tank accessories have an easier time with it). War's have the easiest time meeting that threshold, because they have the highest dps out of the three tanks, but even they cannot Fell Cleave non-stop. Anything that is not a Crit or at the 2nd -3rd tier of the Tank combo is highly unlikely to interrupt the cast bar. Dps have much better odds of keeping up interrupts than a solo-tank, and the best combo for locking down a healer's casts is actually War + Nin.

Further, Caster spell speeds often (as in almost always) exceed the Tank's skill speeds. Some of their longer casts are no problem to interrupt, but their short burst heals are a different story. They can, and often are, easily squeezed between tank attacks, making it impossible to actually stop them from going off. Not to mention oGCD's, which cannot be stopped regardless of the Healer's timing.

The OP might have gotten a detail wrong, but their point is sound. Anyone who complains about Tanks who do not stay on the enemy healer 100% of the time (especially without Dps support) is being foolish, especially because their basically asking the tank to reduce their overall party utility in favour of wasting their time.

There's no damage threshold in PvP - it's the biggest problem that SCH and BLM face.

What you're describing is accurate for pve, but casts are always interrupted by damage in pvp unless its 100% absorbed by a shielding effect or equanimity/surecast is up (was stated in the patch notes when they released wolves den). Vitality only plays a role insofar as stoneskin scaling with it. Stacking it was more to survive melee lb and doesnt really seem to be worthwhile as a healer in feast since lb, if it even gets time enough to build is going to be used on whoever is carrying medals.

You're right about cast speeds, single target heals have a base cast time of 2 seconds as opposed to 2.5 for most other things

I'm not sure what you guys mean by standard action but the OP is essentially correct unless Im totally missing something. 1st stun is 100% duration, 2nd is 1/2 duration, 3rd is 1/4 duration, 4+ is fully resisted. Resets 60 seconds after last successful (ie non resisted) stun. Being able to stun indefinitely would be kinda crazy

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Originally Posted by Enlial

I'm not sure what you guys mean by standard action but the OP is essentially correct unless Im totally missing something. 1st stun is 100% duration, 2nd is 1/2 duration, 3rd is 1/4 duration, 4+ is fully resisted. Resets 60 seconds after last successful (ie non resisted) stun. Being able to stun indefinitely would be kinda crazy

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I also thought that standard actions built up immunity but it was probably due to what Nessa mentioned.

Oh I see, my bad, didn't notice the edit

I play AST in PvP and I try and bait the stun by throwing up a Collective Unconscious. It's stun bait.

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Originally Posted by Rhode

I play AST in PvP and I try and bait the stun by throwing up a Collective Unconscious. It's stun bait.

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That's kind of sad that it works enough for you to keep doing it.

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Originally Posted by Rhode

I play AST in PvP and I try and bait the stun by throwing up a Collective Unconscious. It's stun bait.

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As a Monk I see no reason why anyone would stun this. You can't even do anything else @_@.

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Originally Posted by Februs

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Agreed. I'm going to guess that Februs is right concerning the damage threshold, or else it has to be a specific type of attack to interrupt spells. I'm rarely interrupted by casters, and not as often by MNK...but DRG, DRK and WAR have a field day interrupting my casting.


As for people that complain about healers not staying stunned, there are many ways to escape a stun. I use Purify all the time. It even works on Holmgang. I can also use Equinomity (sp?) to be sure that my spell won't be interrupted, or use Surecast to achieve the same result. I have seen it fail at times - I'm not sure why - but it typically works out well. And then there's Swiftcast, which is enough to throw out an Aspected Benefic or Essential Dignity to turn the tide of battle, or Lightspeed.

In all, as AST, I have at least four moves that will allow me to work around or completely negate stuns and interrupts pretty effectively. That's not factoring in the most basic mechanic:

I can sprint out-of-reach all day long. I don't need TP. Melee-users do.

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Originally Posted by Amiaze

I can sprint out-of-reach all day long. I don't need TP. Melee-users do.

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Sprint doesn't cost TP anymore and it was shortened to 10 seconds.