Im curious if we will ever see a reduction of mats required for stuff like darksteel ingot, vanya silks and such, do we really need 9 coke, potash, animal fat, etc. still? My FC goes through 4-5 stacks of this stuff each when we do some upgrading to airships and not really seeing these kind of numbers in the newer crafts. Just glad these mats are cheap, my main fit is just the shear number we need and space all this stuff takes up when we save up...so yeah...
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03-13-2016, 09:25 AMHanayumiOld mat/crafts
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03-13-2016, 01:21 PMKaiser-Ace
Does a coat going out of fashion make it take any less fabric to manufacture?
Answer, No of course not.
The fact that the materials become ridiculously cheap and easyer to get is really all the compensation you can, or should, expect with old recipies. -
03-13-2016, 01:46 PMBelhiReally? Do you know what it takes to make an Adamantite Ingot? Hell even base materials. One Dark Iron Nugget only requires 3 Dark Iron ore and 1 Iron ore. Adamantite nuggets require 5 Adamantite ore and 1 Dark Iron ore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanayumi
More to the point Airships are supposed to be a major investment to upgrade. Frankly they are relatively new and current content. -
03-13-2016, 04:48 PMHanayumi
Rather make the investment with fewer rarer mats than, mass abundant of cheap mats... Just one airship part needed almost like 6 stacks of x99 coke, for the darksteel and garlond. So when it comes down to it trying to do an airship set just packs the living daylights out of the inventory and chest. Also to say these crafts are out fashion isnt really true, still use a lot of these crafts regularly. Like I said I have a fit more about the space than anything else...
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03-13-2016, 05:34 PMJammerSidewinderMy response to this is the more skilled you get, you may be able to do more with less waste, and that's why you need less mats or can increase the yield. I think it would be a nice idea for some things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace
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03-13-2016, 06:00 PMFelis
If you have 3 stacks of coke, maybe it is time to craft them away instead of buy a 4th stack of coke. They are already cheap enough so you don't have to save them up.
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03-13-2016, 06:14 PMLemuria
At this point I'm more amazed that wyvern leather requires 3 hides to make one scrap. That, if anything, is a contention point. After all, up until level 50 every single piece of leather only requires a single hide, now suddenly you need three? And dragons are orders of magnitude bigger than most of the smaller animals we can craft leather out of, so there's going to be a lot more hide to boot.
Wouldn't be so bad if the drop rate for skins wasn't so poor as to force us to use retainer ventures for guaranteed drops. -
03-13-2016, 06:30 PMBelhiThe FC workshop projects are supposed to be group projects. Its supposed to be a large amount to gather so it is shared among multiple people. A small amount of rarer materials is more a project for a solo or small amount of highly geared players. It kind of defeats the purpose of having crafting projects for a FC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanayumi
I will agree though that space is an issue. I've dealt with it by doing single projects at a time and clearing out anything not being used for the current or next project. -
03-14-2016, 02:26 AMKaiser-AceHmm. I actually like that idea. That could resemble "Trade Mastery" from real life since, for example, a Master Blacksmith is going to need less metal to work with than his apprentice because of knowing how to make better steel with less slag.Quote:
Originally Posted by JammerSidewinder
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03-14-2016, 03:25 PMRyuSaarvait's not a group project though since a lot of people in fcs do it alone since they are the only crafter/gatherer there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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03-14-2016, 03:49 PMGunspec
I think the problem is that the 2.0 crafting material mentality was to have 9 relatively cheap tomestone materials for a single endgame crafting attempt. This was a bad idea because: #1 it created storage clutter, #2 it made crafting rewards in dungeons kind of pointless, who wants only one coke? SE recognized this as a mistake, because from 2.2 onward, endgame crafts only required one of each tomestone currency item (each roughly 9 times the price of what the 2.0 mats had been).
So the OP is asking if those original 2.0 crafting reagents (coke, potash, animal fat, etc) will ever be cut down to needing only one per crafted item to match the later trend. This was definitely something I was hoping for back when I was building my original airships. They could raise the price of coke from GC vendors, while changing recipes to require a single coke rather than 9. Crafting stacks would become smaller, and you wouldn't have to purchase as many items to make the same thing for the same cost.
Then SE finally added a selectable quantity tab to the GC vendors, so that you can simply buy 99 coke all at once to make 11 darksteel ingots. Gone are the days of clicking your mouse 99 times individually. So no... other than stack sizes and making rewards from brayflox HM more sensible, there really is no more reason to reduce the number of 2.0 mats needed for crafting 2.0 items. It's become a minor annoyance only, even for hardcore airship crafters. -
03-14-2016, 04:13 PMAlistaire
They did make a reduction; they made those 9 coke/potash etc available thru gc seals.
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03-14-2016, 04:54 PMRinukoThat may be true but that's not how the system is designed for.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuSaarva
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03-14-2016, 05:58 PMMeiUshuand I can tell you it feels like a day at work, is easy to get burned out if nobody helps you in those FC project(s) that you are the only one or one of the two doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuSaarva
To a point there is no enjoyment anymore. People simply put arent all enclined to do gathering and crafting. Cant blame them, if it did feel less of a chore maybe there would be more people helping in this.
Unfortunately, as it is today, is not the case -
03-14-2016, 06:25 PMsayafrost
My fc doesn't have problems with those - when we run lvl 50 roulette we loot that stuff and mostly people don't know what to do with GC seals so they buy them, in the end we have a lot of those, and with all upgrades I did to the airships (only crafter in the fc); i never had problems with missing them at all °__°
Just send some fc members to get them with gc seals. -
03-14-2016, 11:41 PMaestevalThen why does it take so much more Yak Milk to craft anything than previous milks and recipes. :-p Higher level recipes have inflated mats requirement nullifying arguments as to how many of any item is needed. It's all an arbitrary grind and has no basis in actual practical need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace