About the 'after' Cut scenes? [spoilers obviously]

After the 3.2 MSQ questline, you get cutscene that shows a figure of a man and a white mask.

I wasn't around for the 2.0-2.5 due to being on hiatus with class so I was wondering if we could discuss the trend in this thread.

There is already a thread for 3.2, but I fear some of those points might bleed into this topic, so I apologize in advance for redundancies.

Here's what we got so far:

3.1: Urianger in the GGL discussing scandalous things with Eli and WOD. Alisiae is hinted that she is eavesdropping. This hints that the Ali may be reintroduced as a major player again. Also plays with Urianger being a potential, yet willing 'traitor' for the sake of balance and peace.
3.2: It looks like the CS is taking place in the waking sands and theres a mask. Does this mask look familiar to anyone? I don't want to shoot the gun just yet, but if I am right about this 'after cutscene' trend, then is that figure related to our favorite white-robed ascian, urianger or alisiae?

Discuss, you guys in the loreforum are awesome and it would be nice hearing your opinions and what 3.3's teaser cs would be.

It looked more like Little Ala Mhigo to me, and with that Illberd seems the most likely person to be taking that mask. Also have a small theory that Wilred actually ISN'T dead and that he is taking the mask so he can continue doing...whatever he is doing, or starting to do, without being discovered. In this case benovolent but maybe not the best idea.

Though Illberd still seems much more likely and the Wilred one is just me theorizing things unlikely to happen.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

It looked more like Little Ala Mhigo to me, and with that Illberd seems the most likely person to be taking that mask. Also have a small theory that Wilred actually ISN'T dead and that he is taking the mask so he can continue doing...whatever he is doing, or starting to do, without being discovered. In this case benovolent but maybe not the best idea.

Though Illberd still seems much more likely and the Wilred one is just me theorizing things unlikely to happen.

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I would genuinely love for Wilred to be alive again but we did actually find his gutted body so I think it's 100% certain the poor kid's dead.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

It looked more like Little Ala Mhigo to me, and with that Illberd seems the most likely person to be taking that mask. Also have a small theory that Wilred actually ISN'T dead and that he is taking the mask so he can continue doing...whatever he is doing, or starting to do, without being discovered. In this case benovolent but maybe not the best idea.

Though Illberd still seems much more likely and the Wilred one is just me theorizing things unlikely to happen.

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I'm damm sure those cutscenes took place on one of the refugie centers on Central Thanalan, the one that has a cave, I dont remember the name.

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Originally Posted by dualblade

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Okay, we found Wilred's body, but for arguements sake, what would be the reason for him to live onto patch 4.0? Ala mihgo?

The silhouette looked like a Highlander to me, coupled with the resistance calling themselves "Masks" I figured it was Ilberd. No matter how loyal he is to the cause, he's infamous for dealing with the Ul'dahn coup. Lolorito himself pretty much placed most of the blame on Ilberd (and off of himself).

It would make sense for him to join the Masks, he's infiltrated the Braves before, he can do so again here. Even if the rest of the members don't know how he looks, Papalymo and Yda will know.

The scene probably took place in Thanalan, although I don't think Wilred's crew is part of it. If anything, Ala Mhigho resistance seems to be comprised of many different groups/ cells.

Still, I do wonder why Yda and Papalymo are still helping them. Perhaps gratitude for saving them? They don't seem like they're forced into it, seems like Yda is the one that wants to stay. They should've heard the news about Ishgard and what the WoL did, at least

On a side note, I actually liked Wilred, he was the only member of the Braves that I actually remember when I was out recruiting them. But yeah, he's dead-dead as far as I know. Hoary Boulder was livid when seeing Wilred's body, how he was "tied up and butchered like an animal" The only way he'll be back is via Ascien or Voidsent possession, or like be a ghost like Edda

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Originally Posted by myahele

The silhouette looked like a Highlander to me, coupled with the resistance calling themselves "Masks" I figured it was Ilberd. No matter how loyal he is to the cause, he's infamous for dealing with the Ul'dahn coup. Lolorito himself pretty much placed most of the blame on Ilberd (and off of himself).

It would make sense for him to join the Masks, he's infiltrated the Braves before, he can do so again here. Even if the rest of the members don't know how he looks, Papalymo and Yda will know.

The scene probably took place in Thanalan, although I don't think Wilred's crew is part of it. If anything, Ala Mhigho resistance seems to be comprised of many different groups/ cells.

Still, I do wonder why Yda and Papalymo are still helping them. Perhaps gratitude for saving them? They don't seem like they're forced into it, seems like Yda is the one that wants to stay. They should've heard the news about Ishgard and what the WoL did, at least

On a side note, I actually liked Wilred, he was the only member of the Braves that I actually remember when I was out recruiting them. But yeah, he's dead-dead as far as I know. Hoary Boulder was livid when seeing Wilred's body, how he was "tied up and butchered like an animal" The only way he'll be back is via Ascien or Voidsent possession, or like be a ghost like Edda

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Wilfred had a lot of friends or contacts that were part of the ala mhigan resistence. If Wilfred was killed by another Ala mhigan, im sure the rest would be aware of it. Or well thats what I think hahahaha...

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I'm damm sure those cutscenes took place on one of the refugie centers on Central Thanalan, the one that has a cave, I dont remember the name.

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Also a possibility! Still leaves Illberd as the most likely candidate as well.

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Originally Posted by AutumnHarvestwind

Okay, we found Wilred's body, but for arguements sake, what would be the reason for him to live onto patch 4.0? Ala mihgo?

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Partly because it invovles Ala Mhigo, partly because I liked Wilred. Yes he is pretty much certainly dead, but if for some reason he ISN'T, this would be the time to end up showing such. Like I said above I'm almost positive its Illberd though.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I'm damm sure those cutscenes took place on one of the refugie centers on Central Thanalan, the one that has a cave, I dont remember the name.

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Little Ala Mhigo in Southern Thanalan is the place, and it would make sense if that figure was indeed Ilberd, given the fact the tables have turned and that he is now the one on the run being hunted down for treason along with the rest of the traitorous Crystal Braves, no wonder he's taken to wearing a mask and hiding out there with the other Ala Mhigan refugees.

But again, this is just my own theory so take that what you will. :)

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I'm damm sure those cutscenes took place on one of the refugie centers on Central Thanalan, the one that has a cave, I dont remember the name.

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It does look like Lost Hope in Central Thanalan.

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Originally Posted by Erendis

It does look like Lost Hope in Central Thanalan.

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It does, take a look. It also could looks like little Ala Mhigo like Enkidoh said.
Im based this, by the cutsece of where Yda and Papalymo where, there was that black tent, a torch and a cacturs, on a desert plane. Then another cutscene with someone on a cave with more tents.

while illberd would need a sort of disguise to actively partake in the reclamation of Ala Mihgo now, I don't think that was him. it could also be the current head of the Ala Mighan refugees.

just think about it. It wasn't that long since Ala Mihgo fell, at least not compared to the 1000 year war that Ishgard has been having. Yet here they are, welcomed back into the alliance. the "ease of liberating Ishgard" from its longstanding conflict might have caused some resentment among the refugees, who might consider getting Eorzea forced into retaking Ala Mihgo by other means. Being a person of some authority among the refugees, he would also have need of a disguise to maintain credibility, or Ala Mihgo and its people would just be left to the dogs(if they haven't already).

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Originally Posted by Kallera

while illberd would need a sort of disguise to actively partake in the reclamation of Ala Mihgo now, I don't think that was him. it could also be the current head of the Ala Mighan refugees.

just think about it. It wasn't that long since Ala Mihgo fell, at least not compared to the 1000 year war that Ishgard has been having. Yet here they are, welcomed back into the alliance. the "ease of liberating Ishgard" from its longstanding conflict might have caused some resentment among the refugees, who might consider getting Eorzea forced into retaking Ala Mihgo by other means. Being a person of some authority among the refugees, he would also have need of a disguise to maintain credibility, or Ala Mihgo and its people would just be left to the dogs(if they haven't already).

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How he could have any autority if everyone knows he killed one of his country men? Thats probably why he needs a mask, to avoid any recognicion. Every Ala mhidgan on the resistance wants ilberd's head at this point.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

How he could have any autority if everyone knows he killed one of his country men? Thats probably why he needs a mask, to avoid any recognicion. Every Ala mhidgan on the resistance wants ilberd's head at this point.

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I think there's some mix up. illberd is not the head of the refugees at little ala mihgo(whose name escapes me), which is the one with authority i was referring to. and him turning to desparate measure doesn't necessarily mean he's allied with illberd(kinda like how not all terrorist factions are fond of each other in real life)

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I think there's some mix up. illberd is not the head of the refugees at little ala mihgo(whose name escapes me), which is the one with authority i was referring to. and him turning to desparate measure doesn't necessarily mean he's allied with illberd(kinda like how not all terrorist factions are fond of each other in real life)

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Are you talking about the old guy on Little Ala' Mhigo?
Im kind of confuse right now...

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Are you talking about the old guy on Little Ala' Mhigo?
Im kind of confuse right now...

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hmm, the hair is not right. that said, I don't think its illberd.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

How he could have any autority if everyone knows he killed one of his country men? Thats probably why he needs a mask, to avoid any recognicion. Every Ala mhidgan on the resistance wants ilberd's head at this point.

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Exactly, and also remember, Illberd himself already stated back during the Halatali duty (when we freed Raubahn from Crystal Braves custody), that he would "Do anything to see Ala Mhigo restored." That clearly involves using, manipulating and yes, even backstabbing his own people just to accomplish that - hells, he probably already is planning on once the Garleans are kicked out of Ala Mhigo he would then install himself on the throne as king (it would not surprise me if he was even related to the last king of Ala Mhigo, the 'King of Ruin' Theoduric). But he's made too many enemies and now has to go incognito to avoid repercussions.

Incidentally, this is just a theory I have, but in one of the last scenes where Papalymo warns Yda to be careful of these so called 'Masks' - it seems to me that the 'Masks'... are actually the other traitorous members of the Crystal Braves (like Laurentius and Yuyahase) - we haven't seen them yet ourselves, and if they're hiding out in the Ala Mhigan Resistance it's clear Yda and Papalymo would have recognized them immediately if they were not unmasked, so it seems to suggest that they're deliberately concealing their identities for just this reason.

But until SE reveals more information in 3.3 and beyond take from my ramblings what you will. It's an interesting theory in any event. :)

Y'know, the more I think about Ilberd being the man behind the mask, the stranger it seems.

If the Resistance knows enough about Ilberd's actions to have it out for him, then how could he have infiltrated them? Surely the Resistance would at least raise an eyebrow when a mysterious masked figure seeks to join them RIGHT after an outspoken proponent of Ala Mhigan liberation does a naughty and disappears. It seems strange to me that they'd just welcome him and his into the mix. Unless the higher-ups have their reasons for doing so (royal blood might have something to do with that, I guess).

Of course, it could be that the Masks aren't with the Resistance at all, and are a separate group seeking to liberate Ala Mhigo, but then I don't see why Papalymo and Yda would have their lot thrown in with them - even if they don't know who the Masks are (though you'd think they'd have at least looked into it themselves), it's not like they're hiding their own identities, and the Crystal Braves surely wouldn't exactly welcome former Scions into their midst. Obviously there's a lot we just don't know, of course, but Ilberd being the man behind the mask has me scratching my head more than nodding along.

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