DPS/HPS/TPS Meter

I suggest making in game dps/hps/tps meter that is shared with the party. Would show the standard information damage done per second, % overall damage done in group, healing done per second, actual healing restored per second, % overall healing done in group, threat per second... etc....

THE CATCH.
Because the meter is built in game, your character's dps/hps/tpswill not be shared with anyone else by default. Have an option to enable having shared information that someone has to turn on. Have it to where while in duty finder, the meter only shows your information and no information is shared with others.

This would help

• Those who want to top out their dps have a way to judge how well they are doing solo
• Those who want to see how well they do compared to others in their static groups
• Those who want nothing to do with dps stats and who do not want to be judged based on numbers in a table when they go into duty finder

Because you assume that no one will make comparisons about deeps based on their level of threat. IE "I'm doing 800 deeps and the other guys is only half my threat so he must be doing 400 deeps!" What a slacker I should berate him for it!"

You can make that same comparison with the current threat levels shown in game. If his threat bar is half my threat bar, therefore he must be doing half as much dps as I am. Just because you put numbers in that statement doesn't make the person throwing it in someone else's face any less of a jerk.

I support this idea.

Then why have it if you admit it will be open to abuse? If jerks are going to jerk, why give them more information to use? People become more abusive with more information. With the ability to record concrete numbers, opens the floodgates of selection, separation, and then admonishment. "Well *IM* doing 800 DPS, you can't be doing more than 400, so you are bad." Will occur far more often than "Well, IM doing DPS and you are generating half my threat, you are bad" because a good portion of putting someone else down is attempting to show off yourself. And that is awfully hard when you don't know for sure.

If you want to work on rotations and such, perhaps you should ask for a dummy that, when it dies, gives you details on how quick it died taking so much dmg or w/e But having access to them any other time will result in the mechanics being a vector to abuse others.

The system is already open to the same level of abuse. People will attempt kick based on damage done. If you see someone pulling half your threat and you are abusive you will bring that up no matter if you have numbers or not, because that happens today. Let me just gut your comment, "Well *IM* doing high threat, you can't be doing more than half of me based on the treat you are putting out, so you are bad." This is no different than what you said just without numbers.

I like to compete against my friends and family that play a game with me. I also like to squeeze out every single bit of damage/healing I can because I like to try to be the best I can be at something. I feel as do most of my friends, we push each other to do better in this fashion and as such get better in the game we play together.

A dummy is not a boss fight. Movement and reaction time to events and abilities are not shown at a dummy. All of it matters when completing against my friends.

By your thinking it would almost seem better to disable the chat feature in duty finder so no one can use the current system in place to be abusive.

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Originally Posted by Tonjiar

The system is already open to the same level of abuse. People will attempt kick based on damage done. If you see someone pulling half your threat and you are abusive you will bring that up no matter if you have numbers or not, because that happens today. Let me just gut your comment, "Well *IM* doing high threat, you can't be doing more than half of me based on the treat you are putting out, so you are bad." This is no different than what you said just without numbers.


By your thinking it would almost seem better to disable the chat feature in duty finder so no one can use the current system in place to be abusive.

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This is 100% on point. What he is suggesting cannot be proven to increase the rate of abuse what so ever. I would argue that by allowing people to see their own damage output, they would get better and overall dps discrepancies would be lower.

Those wishing not to use or partake in the meters could decline effectively making it EXACTLY the same as it is now.

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Originally Posted by Dave_TV

Because you assume that no one will make comparisons about deeps based on their level of threat. IE "I'm doing 800 deeps and the other guys is only half my threat so he must be doing 400 deeps!" What a slacker I should berate him for it!"

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"And then I will be called a moron because I didn't notice that they used Elusive Jump to halve their enmity."
Or
"And then I will be called a moron because I didn't notice the BLM use Quelling Strikes before their explosions."
Or
"And then I will be called a moron because I didn't use Quelling Strikes myself and pulled all the enem- now I'm dead."

Aggro is not an indicator of dps, even among dps classes :D

I understand having a DPS meter but what is the point of a HPS or even a TPS?

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Originally Posted by Tonjiar

You can make that same comparison with the current threat levels shown in game. If his threat bar is half my threat bar, therefore he must be doing half as much dps as I am. Just because you put numbers in that statement doesn't make the person throwing it in someone else's face any less of a jerk.

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There are things like threat managing, also my Egi does about 25%(?) of my dps/threat (without QS in mind). And nobody except me can see my Egis' ammount of threat, because it's not in your group list, it's just in mine.
Also you seem to forget things like adds or do you look on the threat table for all 14 adds in Seph Ex add phase when they die and add them in mind for every player? ;)

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

I understand having a DPS meter but what is the point of a HPS or even a TPS?

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HPS
Knowing your total Healing output with overhealing
Knowing your actual healing done without overhealing
The percent of healing done versus your other healing partner in one of the 8-man raids.

TPS
Can put numbers to the test to find the best threat output either on a dummy or in a live encounter.
As a tank in other games, if the threat levels were shown in a number format, I would break down the rotation to get the most out of my class. After al,l the more threat I could do then more damage my dpsers could do without using any threat reducing mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

There are things like threat managing, also my Egi does about 25%(?) of my dps/threat (without QS in mind). And nobody except me can see my Egis' ammount of threat, because it's not in your group list, it's just in mine.
Also you seem to forget things like adds or do you look on the threat table for all 14 adds in Seph Ex add phase when they die and add them in mind for every player?

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I know about the split for the Egi. But, since I've only play a single job to 60 I was not aware of the other threat reducing mechanics. Does the fact that threat reducing abilities stop an abusive player from trying to kick someone based on their threat output? No it doesn't, I've seen a good bit of a dps trying to kick another due to that player's threat output and reference that to overall damage done. Even if SE would just implement something that was totally personal and not shared I would like that better than no system at all to track my damage done.

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Originally Posted by Tonjiar

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I think the question she asked was supposed to be taken literally.

There really is no point to HPS or TPS to be honest. There are too many variables with HPS and TPS that go beyond what the individual is doing.
Healing really only has 1 metric. Did everyone survive assuming no one ate avoidable damage? It's a yes or no scenario. "But Velox, what about overhealing?" To be honest, while overhealing is bad, it's not going to make or break a fight in 99% of scenarios. As long as a healer has enough MP to get through the fight, and the party was victorious in the end, that extra healing doesn't matter. If a healer runs out of MP due to overhealing, then you just say "looks like you ran out of MP, you need to curb your healing a bit." You don't even need a meter for this.

TPS is in the same boat. In fact, both TPS and HPS are actually OPPOSITE of DPS in terms of performance. DPS you always want to aim for the maximum number possible. HPS and TPS, you only want to aim for the minimum number needed to get you through an instance. Because of this, HPS and TPS meters are plainly stupid.

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Originally Posted by Velox

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I played a shaman healer for the better part of ten years in WoW. I went toe to toe against my wife who played a paladin for the same time frame. It was a blast trying to out heal her and do less overhealing. Just because you might not find these numbers and stats of value doesn't mean others share those thoughts.