how not to view a summoner

summoner summon titan in the full titan he destroy every mobs. the party cheer, people leave ffxiv because summoner a uberfied, and there is no good job balance.

summoner work with her party to defeat mob and boss mob she help aid her party with her summon and her dot. party cheers because they together work to take a big bad mean boss.

example one of summoner is how most players want the summoner to be to less or great detail.

what are you saying

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YOU SEE... THE KIDS... THEY LISTEN TO THE RAP MUSIC

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I understood nothing you said.

I think they're saying that people want summoner to use a huge monster that saves the day, as opposed to a puny thing and a few dots to save the day.

I will clarify for people, this post of her's is in response to a post I made here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3608335

Where I made the point that summoner should be more about the pet rather than the summoner and how MMO's have changed pet classes for (in my opinion) the worse by turning pets in to nothing more than a glorified dot. The OP is saying that if it did that (a summoner calling forth the actual large version of the primal) Titan (as an example) would be too powerful and Summoner would be a super class. Completely missing the point of what I was trying to say but deciding to make this thread saying that summoner will never be about actually summoning things and any other version would be too strong. Pretty sure the OP's first language is not english either.

My main point though is that if we were to get a new pet class, I would personally want the class to focus on the pet, I'm tired of pet class design making them nothing but a DoT you occasionally manage.

Personally I agree! I believe that Summoners should not be viewed as Summoners because Summoners actually summon Summons. But Summoners only summon Egi which aren't Summons somewhat so Summoners seem like something different. So Summoners shouldn't be seen as Summoners until they summon something summonable that shows as a Summon, so until Summoners summon Summons, Summoners should be named something else.

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That it is

I want some of what op been smoking

I am assuming that English is not your first language OP.

Unfortunately it's a little difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Maybe try the phrasing again?

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I am assuming that English is not your first language OP.

Unfortunately it's a little difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Maybe try the phrasing again?

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It's pretty clear. Title says how to not view a summoner, then it gives two examples where people praise the summoner. Logical conclusion? OP is saying we should not praise summoners.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

summoner summon titan in the full titan he destroy every mobs. the party cheer, people leave ffxiv because summoner a uberfied, and there is no good job balance.

summoner work with her party to defeat mob and boss mob she help aid her party with her summon and her dot. party cheers because they together work to take a big bad mean boss.

example one of summoner is how most players want the summoner to be to less or great detail.

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i sorry i have writting disability i just find we have unrealistic look at summoner. of ffxi, this view is summoner unbalance for ffxiv and cause problem, i think best view to have of the summoner is more the yuna view of summoner. yuna wasn't just summoner she the healer of party in ffx.

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My main point though is that if we were to get a new pet class, I would personally want the class to focus on the pet, I'm tired of pet class design making them nothing but a DoT you occasionally manage.

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As long as they don't make enormous view-blocking pets I don't care what they do with summoner.

If it has enormous pets that block my view, I'll just run with black mages instead.

While I believe I understand what you say now - I dont understand why thats a problem? Or why do you made this post - they wont change the whole game right now...?

Specially because the base-class for your summoner can also be a healer, called scholar - and a summoner still has healing powers, but hes just focussing on killing stuff. Also FFX and FFXIV are quite different games, with quite different functions, maybe not the best to compare when it comes to game mechanics.

my view is mmo even after launch it work in progress. so at some point yoshi p may decide that summoner need improvement or he may not. I love to see bst be pet focus tank pet where beast master is debuff the enemy with her whip. and pet tank mobs i one believe this hasn't been done success in any mmo

my reason make post point how unrealistic view summoner we have of summoner personal i felt that we need exam are view to compare it for need to bring job balance to ffxiv

I'm really confused.

sorry like said I want people see important balance for tank dps and healer how the summoner need fite in this balance and how view of summoner being to powerful doesn't fit. you mmo is about balance the jobs out since tank,dps and healer have fite in balance we can't have all are favorite Jobs the way we want them to be i just want people realize it important to understand that this i am sorry i have hard time when come sentence structure

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Op I fail to see how putting more focus on the pet would make SMN unbalanced. You would take some of the damage away from the player and give it to their pet. The overall amount of damage is unchanged so there is no balance issue... IMO most of the Summoner job skills should actually be commands similar to Enkindle so that the player's rotation is executed through the pet. THAT is a pet class.

So Confused. What is topic again? Is this about SMN being more pet focused or SMN being more utility/support or that the SMN job is not what OP wanted to play? I do not get it (not knocking the sentence structure of phrasing, just the ideas behind it).

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well the thing is 3 things need to be to make a pet job more about the pet

1. the pet can not be big or else it will obstruct the view of the other players.

2. depending on the strength of the pet (lets say the pet did 80% of smn damage) can not have more survivability then other dps the reason this is is mostly because it would allow smn to bypass many mechanics without losing much dps at all, which is part of the problem with ground attacks as its next to impossible to have a pet dodge a mechanic in the same amount of time as other dps. on the other side of the fence if hes just as squishy and not able to react to movement as well as other dps the summon dies and summoners dps becomes heavily gimped.

3. adding on to the pets survivability youd also have to make it possible for the pet become directly affected by the casters debuffs or directly affected by mechanics as well (imagine a3s if the summoner could just keep the dps down and your summon wasnt affected it would be able to cheese some mechanics pretty easy)

so while yes it isnt impossible to implement i believe it would be much more difficult to balance a pet job in which focuses to much on the pet as such i believe its fine the way its currently balanced, maybe just make the egis better looking is all id say they need to do.

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As a SMN main, I feel like it would be okay for the summons to be hurt, killed by Aoe. It should have been a pet class and the Summoner should have been concerned with the pet/keeping it alive, supporting the pet not the other way around. We have skills that help the pet stay alive and could use more. But that kind of change won't happen unfortunately. I believe the most SMN can get right now is glamours. Shame but the job is all sorts of messed up, despite being fun to play.

my favorite story happen to be summoner Cer i love job, the story awesome so is the pets. i hope see a Shiva ega, an Leviathan ega an Ramuh ega, a Bismarck ega, Ravana ega.

on side note i one players that made most thread the pet jobs in genaral too. I pet job mantic for pet jobs

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Response to above.
As a SMN main, I feel like it would be okay for the summons to be hurt, killed by Aoe. It should have been a pet class and the Summoner should have been concerned with the pet/keeping it alive, supporting the pet not the other way around. We have skills that help the pet stay alive and could use more. But that kind of change won't happen unfortunately. I believe the most SMN can get right now is glamours. Shame but the job is all sorts of messed up, despite being fun to play.

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i understand im just looking at it from a balance and design perspective which could be very problematic, i myself would love to see puppetmaster in the game one day as a tank job, but for now with the way the game currently plays, pet jobs with heavy focus on pet management likely wont see the light of day

make you desire know to dev to to focus on job the more about pet management is a step right direct though I think. I think when make pet job it should be tied into Job combats skill. for example the pet attack react to Job combats skills

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

make you desire know to dev to to focus on job the more about pet management is a step right direct though I think. I think when make pet job it should be tied into Job combats skill. for example the pet attack react to Job combats skills

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Ooooo so like for an example " every time you do tri disater ,if you have garuda out it'll use contagion" you mean something like that? Yea that would be nice, thought imo where its at, smn is ok. I'm just maining it just for the horn :)

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

make you desire know to dev to to focus on job the more about pet management is a step right direct though I think. I think when make pet job it should be tied into Job combats skill. for example the pet attack react to Job combats skills

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I suddenly want to make macros. Macros everywhere.

Marcos away Magius i not stop you.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

Marcos away Magius i not stop you.

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Until someone Polos.

Though no macroing poison spell, meet a smn who did that, they were terrible at dps

How did this thread end up on 4 pages? How?

How I would see summoner - you have your skills - some are pet specific some are your specific.

You would have the pet out as is an egi - a primals essence in a form.

But then you would have pet skills that once activated would for a short duration force the pet to become the primal in your thral - maybe not a 1:1 scale but a mini version - you are only one person so limited aether.

So you would trigger titan egi's landslide - pet suddenly becomes titan and slams his fist into the landslid attack - knockback and all.

And it would be micro managing all of this that would be the core of the gameplay.

I would also add that in addition to that you would in the end have 3 primal essences floating around(1 for each aetherflow stack). And you could use any of their attacks that way. Out would go the whole dot management and other such things. In would come full blown pet management.

Each pet would have more or less all the primals attacks.

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