3* HQ crafting with 387 cp .. eh what ?

So, friend of mine does 3* HQ food, with only 387 CP. He uses the new food, that boosts craftmansship and control to reach the required stats.
How does he HQ with such low CP ? And appearently it isnt just luck. Any rotation I havent found on the Net yet ? I really would love to know, how he does it ._.

The short version is almost definitely "He uses his Good procs on Tricks of the Trade instead of Precise Touch". I don't know exactly what your friend is doing, but the crafting method I've adopted for 2-star and 3-star synths is basically to pad the length of my synth into as many steps as possible (ie: creating as many opportunities for Good procs as possible) and to generate as much CP as I can from TotT. I tend to use food and have a full 470 max CP, but I often end a synth with 110-150+ CP remaining, even on three-star crafts with zero starting quality.

Using ToT over precise touc. I've noticed that you get a more good conditions than the 2 star crafts.

and maybe lot of HQ mats?

I follow other comment about ToT
Depending of your rotation
3 star give more ToT opportunity which allow you to start with less CP

Is it a specialist skill? Does heart of the whatever-have-you give you a good every other turn for 7 steps or something? I haven't used the specialist kills much and am still gearing so haven't tried 3*s yet. xD Just a guess. It's 60 CP, right? But you get like at least 3 procs so it pays for itself if all you use it for is TotT.

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Originally Posted by konage

Using ToT over precise touc.

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I would guess the other way around. With HQ mats you only need to get IQ up to 6-7 to hit 100%.

I could macro a 3* rotation with 8 Hasty Touches with less than 387 CP, any ToT would mean a Precise/Basic instead of a Hasty or Innovation for the BB.

Would definitely like to see the rotation though yeah I assume ToT is used a lot.

Actually this makes total sense. I only use my 48CP food half the time. Part of the other time I use some 22 CP food. The other I use no food. Essentially how you do it is you run Rath's rotation but you skip the SH (for the x2 PbP) While this runs some risk, but the majority of the time they succeed. But after skipping the SHI and grab one ToT you'll have saved 40 CP (which is basically the whole difference between his CP and max CP). Its really easy to grab a second ToT during the first FS cycle, and at that point you're pretty much golden for making HQ.

I will note that when doing so, you do have to buffer with some extra quality as you're already banking on some favorable RNG at the start and you don't want to bank on having favorable RNG the whole synth. So I assume he plays it a bit safer with more HQ mats prepared.

Specifically I would bet he's running his rotation as follows (roughly):

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...jFWOW1iRGlxOGs

So I was wrong in that, his CP is still high enough to use SHI at the start comfortably. So technically you could comfortably loose another 23 CP lower than what he has and HQ 3 star goods most of the time. Sounds nutty but I do it in practice all the time (HQing without any food).

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

Specifically I would bet he's running his rotation as follows (roughly):

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...jFWOW1iRGlxOGs

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That's way too much CP, the OP said it was 387 CP +0 from food.

MaM, CZx2, SH, PbPx2, IQ, SHIIx3, 8x Hasty, MMII, GS, INGII, BB, CSIIx2 = 385 CP

Any ToT turns a hasty into a Precise or adds an Innovation.

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

Specifically I would bet he's running his rotation as follows (roughly):

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...jFWOW1iRGlxOGs

So I was wrong in that, his CP is still high enough to use SHI at the start comfortably. So technically you could comfortably loose another 23 CP lower than what he has and HQ 3 star goods most of the time. Sounds nutty but I do it in practice all the time (HQing without any food).

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Originally Posted by Choko_TS

He uses the new food, that boosts craftmansship and control to reach the required stats.

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Sadly he doesnt have the extra CP given on your example. Since i'm working with 397CP i roughly guess his rotation relies on ToT, since they pop up quite often during 3stars. I assume this is similiar to mine - the rotation has 0 BT/PT due to the lack of CP. Every ToT can be used for a BT/PT instead. Basically its a MaMa+2PbP with alot of ToT and only SHII.

EDIT: Got ninjad D:

Katlyna, what simulator is that?
And is it fully updated for 3.2?

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Originally Posted by Choko_TS

So, friend of mine does 3* HQ food, with only 387 CP. He uses the new food, that boosts craftmansship and control to reach the required stats.
How does he HQ with such low CP ? And appearently it isnt just luck. Any rotation I havent found on the Net yet ? I really would love to know, how he does it ._.

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Probably Heart of the Culinarian.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Is it a specialist skill? Does heart of the whatever-have-you give you a good every other turn for 7 steps or something? I haven't used the specialist kills much and am still gearing so haven't tried 3*s yet. xD Just a guess. It's 60 CP, right? But you get like at least 3 procs so it pays for itself if all you use it for is TotT.

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45 cp, and the rate of good is very high with it. I rarely have under 2 procs during it, so in most cases you can get 20+15+20 cp back with it along with the extra cp saved from nymeia's wheel. Even 1 proc becomes worth the cp if it takes you into satisfaction for 15 cp and the extra 10 durability gained from wheel.

Oh my mistake I didn't catch he wasn't using CP Food. Then he's probably using this variant of the same rotation. If he doesn't get a ToT then he would skip the last SH. This is essentially what my rotation looks like when I don't use any food (though I would have all SHII's and don't require the ToT (the ToT instead would grant me an 18 point action to muck with). There is risk in the below. but with enough starting quality you'll HQ 9/10 times give or take. I'm assuming he would use a second ToT to convert all the SH into SHII.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...WYxN0o5bXROVlE

He might be using something different mind you, but this would be the logical approach from what I know and have done myself.

Also the crafting website/tool is http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/index.html#/simulator

It is NOT updated for 3.2 and will probably be a bit (it takes the author some time to adopt the new recipes and numbers). But its a fantastic tool for theory crafting none the less.

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

Oh my mistake I didn't catch he wasn't using CP Food. Then he's probably using this variant of the same rotation. If he doesn't get a ToT then he would skip the last SH. This is essentially what my rotation looks like when I don't use any food (though I would have all SHII's and don't require the ToT (the ToT instead would grant me an 18 point action to muck with). There is risk in the below. but with enough starting quality you'll HQ 9/10 times give or take. I'm assuming he would use a second ToT to convert all the SH into SHII.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...WYxN0o5bXROVlE

He might be using something different mind you, but this would be the logical approach from what I know and have done myself.

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Oh I can use this on 2 star craft as well since my CP with baked onion soup is 432.

Thanks for the replys everyone. Katlyna's rotation seem to work well with such low CP. Have tried a couple of 3* myself with this. Guess we figured out how he did it :D

Dunno why you'd use that new food to begin with though. Overpriced and unnecessary when seafood stew will get it done more reliably.

Guess your friend is really undergeared?

The oysters needed are fairly quite an easy catch. Maybe he gathers them himself and craft the food he needs. Not necessarily buys off of the MB

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

The oysters needed are fairly quite an easy catch. Maybe he gathers them himself and craft the food he needs. Not necessarily buys off of the MB

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Besides the point, it's a harder synth to make and all and all a waste of time. CP food is always king.

Why "king" ? It just depends on your meld. I use 404 -412 CP on 3-stars and I'm totally fine with it.

Having more CP is always king because it allow flexibility and it always make craft safer

The more you can accord steady hand the better the more you can switch a hasty touch by basic touch the better
More CP = more 100% step

It's far from impossible to craft with less CP
Depends of your rotation and your rng
ToT proc

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=vi...WYxN0o5bXROVlE

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Nice rot katlyna, tyvm for sharing it, very nice way to work with such low cp :) i love it.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Dunno why you'd use that new food to begin with though. Overpriced and unnecessary when seafood stew will get it done more reliably.

Guess your friend is really undergeared?

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Basically, yes. If you went with the 180, no melds advancement path, you have to use Beet Soup to meet the Craftsmanship and Control minimums for 3-star crafting. That gear didn't used to be considered "undergeared" (it was relatively comparable to i170 pentamelds in 3.0/3.1, but it's no longer comparable because of the CP deficit).

I just did some crafts with Beet Soup on an undergeared class I'm not intending to keep the specialization in for long (LTW). HQ mats are pretty essential, as is a certain degree of luck. I got 5 out of 6 HQ using around 2000 quality worth of HQ mats. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough cross class slots for Reclaim on LYW (only class that has this problem for me), otherwise I would have reclaimed that one that went south.

For anyone wondering, I already had LTW as a specialist before the patch. I figured out I could get the red scrip offhand, stick a few cheap materia in my main hand, and use beet soup to get up to 3-star. I decided to do it to make some eikon leather that I could use for weaver, then switch out the specialization. Then I decided while I was at it, may as well make equipment for myself.