So I've been drking a lot lately, and the changes in 3.2 (in my opinion) negatively hit this tank the hardest. Before the patch, we did an extremely high potency opener and we never touched our enmity combo again. Now, I'm not complaining about the tank changes, however on drk using your enmity combo punishes you beyond the aspect of enmity. So I propose a change and I personally don't believe it to be game breaking, and will make drk a better ot, and mt. I don't care if you lock it behind a dark arts use, but add a slashing debuff to drks power slash. I propose it be a 30 second debuff, that cannot be overridden by storms eye or dancing edge. 30 seconds is to allow you the opportunity to do syphon strike combos and regain mp. I feel this would make drk/pal a better combo, would assist drk/war by allowing the war to spam bb combo, and make our enmity combo far more rewarding. Let me know what you think!
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03-06-2016, 12:53 AMAuriusSuggestion for drk to increase raid utility and make enmity combo more appeasing
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03-06-2016, 01:31 AMMagiusNecros
I'd rather see Int Down on PS or make DA PS an on demand Provoke. Having a Silence would also be wonderful. And likewise the Magic Tank getting Magic Vulnerability up debuff on Delirium. NIN/WAR get Slash Damage Up while the DRK boosts magic damage.
And for pure Off Tank utility you should be able to force a Reprisal with DA when not in Grit. Otherwise you rely on a parry. Which generally does not happen if you are locked into OT duty where you aren't required for swaps. -
03-06-2016, 02:26 AMJackFross
Mmmm... DA+Reprisal as OT would be so tasty. Stronger than using that DA for a Souleater, but not near as good as using it for Carve. Which raises a slight issue in that, any OT DRK worth their salt would DA+Reprisal every time it's off cooldown, rather than using it at more optimal mitigation moments.
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03-06-2016, 02:46 AMKabooa
Might have to have the overall potency reduced on it then.
Power Slash is like, 10-12% higher than the other enmity combos. -
03-06-2016, 02:49 AMAshkendorI think giving DRK a slashing debuff would shift the meta to WAR MT/DRK OT and leave PLD in the unemployment line again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurius
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03-06-2016, 04:32 AMSyzygianI doubt this just because it wouldn't fundamentally change a DRK/WAR comp in any meaningful way. WAR would still keep up the debuff b/c its a DPS gain for them and DRK would still avoid Power Slash because its a DPS loss, regardless of who is MTing or OTing. And DRK MT/WAR OT would still be the more efficient overall assignment there, still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
It would however, make PLD/DRK comps extremely good. The potential raid mitigation of a DRK MT/PLD OT comp would be pretty sweet, and still have good raid DPS.
That being said, I don't like the idea of having a slashing debuff on Power Slash in particular. Giving anything to Power Slash in its current state is putting lipstick on a pig, they need to either move potencies around fundamentally rework the combo, because having a slashing debuff on it would just make DRK the tank version of NIN - has a slashing debuff, but needs a WAR (*eyeroll*) to avoid having to use it. -
03-06-2016, 06:15 AMAshkendorI do seriously dislike having my STR debuff on RoH. It means I have to use it way more often than I'd like to. :|Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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03-06-2016, 01:23 PMYhximott
Replace the parry up buff on dark dance with an auto-counter since parry is trash anyway. Make it take effect even when enemy attacks are blocked, parried, or dodged, and counter all crits with crits.
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03-06-2016, 01:54 PMSynestraThat slashing down debuff needs to be spreaded more, currently there is only 2 jobs that can apply it and its also one of the reasons why WAR has always spot in raids. I dont care who gets it but it should be either DRK or PLD as it affects tanks most(and NiN), RA is pretty naked atm so maybe that could be one place to add it if DRK's dont like to have it on PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
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03-06-2016, 04:20 PMSyzygian
One of the reasons the Piercing debuff works so well is DRG is the only one that can apply it, and it does not really compete with BRD/MCH for a raid spot. Perhaps the Slashing debuff could follow a similar model?
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03-06-2016, 04:47 PMSoulbrandt
I propose when we use Living Dead that we turn into Jack Skellington, and then when we use Souleater, it not only absorbs the enemy's soul, but deals 1000% enmity.
Because it is dead. On Halloween. -
03-06-2016, 04:55 PMTanathyaDRK loses more than any other job by using that combo, firstly because of the overall potency, and secondly because of the MP lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
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03-06-2016, 07:02 PMcold52
another thought outta the blue, not sure how well it would affect the job but...perhaps adding a 5% debuff to dot damage for dark arts power slash?
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03-06-2016, 07:09 PMSynestraIf you mean by this that only one job could bring slashing down then it should propably be NiN, not sure how it would gimp their rotation tho. If they did this then SE could swap potencies between BB and SE to make it proper DPS combo ender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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03-06-2016, 08:07 PMReynhartAs a tank, your role is to offer mitigation, so you should want to put the STR debuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
The problem with PS combo is not that it's a DPS loss, it's that it offers nothing besides enmity.
As I see DRK, PS should be given the INT debuff, Delirium should be the highest DPS combo, and DA-Souleater shoud only increase the leeching effect. This way, you'd have three combo with a very different purpose.
As for giving DRK an OT utility, I'd really think DA-Blood Weapon should offer a raidwide leech, but not necessarily of MP. And the DA-SoulEater would be useless as an OT, offering more room to use DA on something else.
They could adjust the potencies of NIN so Slashing Debuff would be part of their optimal rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestra
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03-08-2016, 08:01 AMWolfKidWhat if the boss does magic damage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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03-08-2016, 10:16 AMJackFrossI mean - in fairness - it already is part of their optimal rotation. They just don't use it, because it's better not to, if a WAR provides a slashing debuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
Disembowel works because it's not an option in the Dragoon rotation - it just happens as a natural result of doing your shit. No one ever consciously thinks about whether or not Disembowel is up - you don't need to choose a lower potency combo in order to re-activate it; it's self-fixing. The most important thing to note, though, is that, in an optimal party composition, Disembowel helps just one additional player - the Bard or Machinist. Rarely will you have both. If you have a second DRG, it doesn't do anything. Who cares? You overwrite back and forth anyway.
Slashing Debuff helps out two additional players - either both tanks, or the other tank and the ninja (if one's present). This suddenly makes it far more necessary a debuff. There's no real way to adjust NIN to make DE part of their max dps rotation with a Warrior present unless it's stronger than Aeolian Edge or affords some other buff that Aeolian Edge's combo does not. Storm's Eye is not optimal to WAR because of its potency or even its debuff (if the dps from using it was more of a loss than the NIN using DE, the NIN would use DE...) - it's because it chains off of Maim and is stronger than the alternatives (Storm's Path or just going back to a BB combo). They could do something weird by making Dancing Edge a 3-step combo building off of Shadow Fang, maybe. THAT could be interesting.
I just think it's all a little silly. The easiest way to fix the issue is to apply a slashing debuff to one of the other tanks. I don't think this is as difficult as people make it out to be... -
03-08-2016, 03:55 PMReynhartThen you'd better let a DRK take the MT role and rotate between GB and RA :pQuote:
Originally Posted by WolfKid
In all seriousness, with the increased enmity on Savage Blade and Shield Oath, you can afford less RoH if the STR debuff is useless
It should be a part of it, wether or not you have a WAR, exactly like how you describe disembowel.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackFross
For example, even if you have two WAR, and providing you don't need the healing or the damage mitigation of Storm's Path, they'll both use Storm's Eye, just because they have Maim on the way.
For NIN, instead of having three WS after Gust Slash, you could have Spinning Edge - Dancing Edge - Armor Crush. Since extending Huton is necessary, you'd just apply the debuff whatever setup you have. -
03-08-2016, 04:28 PMFue
This is why i still pretty much exclusively play war. I have no problem sacrificing 40potency to keep superior path up if needed compared to mana problems on drk or having to sacrifice 90potency on pld to have str down up.