Yoshi Please fix the repair NPC

So I was pretty happy when I heard that finally the repair NPC would repair our armor/weapons to 99% and the cost would be lowered.

But there is still one big problem in that the system doesn't recognise how damaged your gear is, if my item is 1% damaged im supposed to pay the same to fix it as if its 99 or 100% damaged.

I'm all for gill sinks but throwing money away for no reason is pointless, granted I have enough money to throw about but that's hardly the point.

Also why is it that when I tell the NPC that I want all my items repaired he lists them individually asking me to confirm the choice.

Should he not just calculate the cost of all the items and spit out a number based on the number of items and the amount they require to be fixed.

Repairing armour should be:-

Talk to NPC > get the cost > one choice to fix all items.

Obviously provide an option for players who only want individual pieces of gear fixed but in most cases I think as long as the NPC doesn't rip us off by charging us more than the amount that is damage then most would happily choose to have all items fixed.

I sure hope that when the new UI in 2.0 comes in things like this will be made easy, similar to how other MMO's do it.

That being said you can still fix the issue where the NPC is charging the full repair cost for something which is only slightly damaged.

While I don't really mind a static cost regardless of durability loss, it would be nice if I got a complete "repair all" button, without having to individually confirm all items. The system doesn't /have/ to treat me like I don't know what I am doing

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Also why is it that when I tell the NPC that I want all my items repaired he lists them individually asking me to confirm the choice.

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But there is still one big problem in that the system doesn't recognise how damaged your gear is, if my item is 1% damaged im supposed to pay the same to fix it as if its 99 or 100% damaged.

I'm all for gill sinks but throwing money away for no reason is pointless, granted I have enough to money to throw about but that's hardly the point.

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In other word, being able to selectively "skip" or say "no" to repair NPC about each gear allows you to choose not to pay for the repair of gear piece which you feel "not damaged enough" to pay for the fee.

I don't use NPC repair unless I'm desperate or in a hurry and can't seek repair from players. And when I use NPC repair, I make sure I get optimal service per gil, which means, for me, to repair when gear is in red.



I like this one, though, because it's a hassle to choose each piece manually. Or maybe they can add another option for "Repair all at once" without listing them one by one for you.

You shouldn't need to have the choice, in other MMO you pay for what is repaired, if its 1% damaged you only have to pay 1% of the total cost of fixing the whole piece of armour, if its 100% damaged you pay the whole cost, its not rocket science.

Yeah, I agree. I often hold off on repairing until gear is pretty damn damaged before going in for repairs because of this, whereas otherwise I'd keep it repaired all the time, if I knew it would cost the same amount of money (or close, anyhow).

Of course, I think this is a bit less of an issue with the way repairs have been tweaked, since repairing isn't as frequent an occurence (since it doesn't matter until 1%) and repair NPCs are all over the place now.

Repairs from an NPC is supposed to just be an alternative to player repairs, not a replacement.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Repairs from an NPC is supposed to just be an alternative to player repairs, not a replacement.

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Well you could argue that player repairs are pointless now, I have a weaver high enough to repair most of my Con gear but rarely do because its time consuming, clunky and just a pain in the ass.

I would rather just run up to an NPC and get it fixed (like in any other MMO out there)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Well you could argue that player repairs are pointless now, I have a weaver high enough to repair most of my Con gear but rarely do because its time consuming, clunky and just a pain in the ass.

I would rather just run up to an NPC and get it fixed (like in any other MMO out there)

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I beg to differ. I still make use of player repairs everyday, either by repairing my own gear or having friends repair mine. Moreover, NPC won't follow me out there into the field (I go far away from Aetheryte camp), in caves, or in dungeons. And seeing how they changed player repair so that we don't have to look for repair material anymore, but it gets put into the synthesis box automatically, player repair is not "pain in the ass." Dark Matters are also usually cheaper than paying the NPC, and we can also get free Dark Matters from gathering, treasure chest, or LQ reward, which reduce the cost even further. So nope, player repair is not pointless.

:< right.... the only valid reason is to repair from crafters is to resell the items back ~_~ damn SE making repair NPC the norm now... .

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

:< right.... the only valid reason is to repair from crafters is to resell the items back ~_~ damn SE making repair NPC the norm now... .

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Grade 5 Dark Matter: 3500 Gil
Tier 5 NPC repair: 5000 Gil

As you may have just discovered, cheaper repair cost is also the reason why you should go with Player repairs.

If OP's idea would go through then NPC repair would become the norm.

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Originally Posted by Zarvlad

Grade 5 Dark Matter: 3500 Gil
Tier 5 NPC repair: 5000 Gil

As you may have just discovered, cheaper repair cost is also the reason why you should go with Player repairs.

If OP's idea would go through then NPC repair would become the norm.

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NPC repair is the norm now. And usually it ends up being cheaper than player repairs.. Unless I'm repairing myself, you generally have to offer AT LEAST the matter plus some kind of reward (I usually just offer another piece of the matter used for the repair - one for the repair, and one for the crafter afterwards). But unless you aren't offering the crafter any type of reward.. NPC repairs usually always come out cheaper now.

Repair NPC is not broken at all. consider the cost to fix a weapon when player does it, lets say a level 40+ item, it's equal to the cost of a Dark Matter 5 no matter how damaged it is. Same as the NPC.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Repair NPC is not broken at all. consider the cost to fix a weapon when player does it, lets say a level 40+ item, it's equal to the cost of a Dark Matter 5 no matter how damaged it is. Same as the NPC.

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So what you are saying is that the NPC is not broken the actual repair mechanic is.. Hmm yea I do see that point !

As someone else pointed out, the only reason to get player repairs is to get the item at 100% so you can sell it, and what with Materia conversion now that is almost non existent.

I see no reason why SE shouldn't phase player repairs out all together, F11 didn't do it, no other MMO I can think of does it, its just a hassle and a waste of timer.

people here arguing otherwise must be real cheap people in that they dont offer a reward for the services. i dont know any repair person that just accepts the dark matter and thats it. More often then not i just get skipped over if i do that so 3.5k for dark matter +5k reward, which seems to be the minimum, = More expensive then npc repairs. You also have to wait a lot longer if you dont have a friend all ready to do it for you. There really is very little argument here that the whole repair system is a little whacked out. People are either going to the npc or doing it themselves, and in the occasion they can't do it themselves they only look for players if they want to sell the item. So something needs to change in some way to rectify this.

Well, i dont like how easy it is buying of retainer :P I synthed in wards (never again) just like that she went out of synth mode, and enter + enter, different reainers, oneclick button, no "ok" or anything, whoops, i am 3 mill gil poorer. For one of those that didnt get to exploit gil early, thats kinda much actually..

That sucks for you guys who can't get repairs for 1 repair mat. Ultimately, what that means is that your party members who do have high enough crafting classes would rather have you in the party gimping everyone than loose out on some profit.

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I don't see anything wrong with them adding a repair all option. Sounds like a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

people here arguing otherwise must be real cheap people in that they dont offer a reward for the services. i dont know any repair person that just accepts the dark matter and thats it. More often then not i just get skipped over if i do that so 3.5k for dark matter +5k reward, which seems to be the minimum, = More expensive then npc repairs. You also have to wait a lot longer if you dont have a friend all ready to do it for you. There really is very little argument here that the whole repair system is a little whacked out. People are either going to the npc or doing it themselves, and in the occasion they can't do it themselves they only look for players if they want to sell the item. So something needs to change in some way to rectify this.

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You just made me really glad I don't play on your server. On Lindblum, 5k total seems to be the standard, which means it's pretty much up to the player how they want to be repaired.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

people here arguing otherwise must be real cheap people in that they dont offer a reward for the services. i dont know any repair person that just accepts the dark matter and thats it. More often then not i just get skipped over if i do that so 3.5k for dark matter +5k reward, which seems to be the minimum, = More expensive then npc repairs. You also have to wait a lot longer if you dont have a friend all ready to do it for you. There really is very little argument here that the whole repair system is a little whacked out. People are either going to the npc or doing it themselves, and in the occasion they can't do it themselves they only look for players if they want to sell the item. So something needs to change in some way to rectify this.

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This could vary from server to server, and might also the hours which you log on/seek repair. My server is always swarmed with crafters and so seeking repair is very easy. When hanging out in town, I always see people repairing stuff left and right.

While agreeing with you that to not offer proper amount of gil for repair reward is bad, your statement that people who only offer the gil or the material to cover the repair are real cheap is not essentially true. Many people have friends or acquaintance repair stuff for them and they often refuse to take extra money. Chances are we exchange services, I repair yours, you repair mine, for example, so there's no need to overcharge or overpay. If it's a passer-by crafter, they (and also I) will look and see the offer, then decide whether or not to repair based on the offer. So yeah the "cheap" offer will be taken care of by the mean of supply-demand in itself.

Also, contrary to your belief, I am one of many crafters who're willing to repair when offered just the correct Dark Matter. This is partly because I like the free EXP from repairing. And of course, I don't want repair NPC to get too buffed or beefed up, because then everyone will always use NPC when in town. I'll be out of business!!! XD

And sorry to say, but I agree with Molly. Since we don't have the option to be "Oh! This gear is only half broken, I'll use half a fraction of dark matter, no need to use the whole of it," I think NPC repair is fine as it is.

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

I beg to differ. I still make use of player repairs everyday, either by repairing my own gear or having friends repair mine. Moreover, NPC won't follow me out there into the field (I go far away from Aetheryte camp), in caves, or in dungeons. And seeing how they changed player repair so that we don't have to look for repair material anymore, but it gets put into the synthesis box automatically, player repair is not "pain in the ass." Dark Matters are also usually cheaper than paying the NPC, and we can also get free Dark Matters from gathering, treasure chest, or LQ reward, which reduce the cost even further. So nope, player repair is not pointless.

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Not to mention, you sometimes save the repair material too, basically making it almost free, aside from time of course.

ya i seem to look for repairs at all the wrong times i guess, but trust me ive been wanting to switch servers forever lol just no option to do so yet. I have a char on selbina and i love it but he isnt my main :(

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

And of course, I don't want repair NPC to get too buffed or beefed up, because then everyone will always use NPC when in town. I'll be out of business!!! XD

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You actually make a business from repairs ? phhfft I don't believe that for a minute.

Now that materia conversion is in the game crafters have plenty of ways to make money, repairs are no longer needed for extra income.

And as someone said on Lindblum its quite common for people to only put the correct dark matter up as a reward, but there is no reward or profit because you have to use a dark matter to gain it, sad times if you actually fail a repair.

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

This could vary from server to server, and might also the hours which you log on/seek repair. My server is always swarmed with crafters and so seeking repair is very easy. When hanging out in town, I always see people repairing stuff left and right.

While agreeing with you that to not offer proper amount of gil for repair reward is bad, your statement that people who only offer the gil or the material to cover the repair are real cheap is not essentially true. Many people have friends or acquaintance repair stuff for them and they often refuse to take extra money. Chances are we exchange services, I repair yours, you repair mine, for example, so there's no need to overcharge or overpay. If it's a passer-by crafter, they (and also I) will look and see the offer, then decide whether or not to repair based on the offer. So yeah the "cheap" offer will be taken care of by the mean of supply-demand in itself.

Also, contrary to your belief, I am one of many crafters who're willing to repair when offered just the correct Dark Matter. This is partly because I like the free EXP from repairing. And of course, I don't want repair NPC to get too buffed or beefed up, because then everyone will always use NPC when in town. I'll be out of business!!! XD

And sorry to say, but I agree with Molly. Since we don't have the option to be "Oh! This gear is only half broken, I'll use half a fraction of dark matter, no need to use the whole of it," I think NPC repair is fine as it is.

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I'm one of those people who will repair other's items if all they offer is the DM, assuming I am high enough to do so anyways. Hell I often repair stuff right at my limit even if the reward is only a small amount of Gil as well, semi free XP imho. Plus I sometimes save the DM and most people offer that or like 3k Gil for a lvl 15 item.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

You actually make a business from repairs ? phhfft I don't believe that for a minute.

Now that materia conversion is in the game crafters have plenty of ways to make money, repairs are no longer needed for extra income.

And as someone said on Lindblum its quite common for people to only put the correct dark matter up as a reward, but there is no reward or profit because you have to use a dark matter to gain it, sad times if you actually fail a repair.

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I am a heavy gatherer, at least recently since my bro wants a lot of dye colours. I get a hell lot of Dark Matters from gathering, grade 3, grade 4, and even grade 5 when I'm super lucky (mostly from LQ reward), but I can't repair anything grade 5 anyway LOL.

Then, when people are in a hurry to get their stuff repaired, they put like 5000 gil reward for grade 4 repair, so I make 5000 gil profit in a blink, not even having to pay 1500 gil for the Dark Matter cost. The highest offer I ever found and gotten were 10k gil. So yeah, that's my business.

Or even when people are offering Dark Matter for repair, I hop on it, use up my free Dark Matter from gathering, get one Dark Matter back, get 300 free EXP. That's also my business. :)

Also, I don't mess with materia because I have inventory crisis from all my gathering.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

And as someone said on Lindblum its quite common for people to only put the correct dark matter up as a reward, but there is no reward or profit because you have to use a dark matter to gain it, sad times if you actually fail a repair.

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You can't fail repairs anymore. I think its been that way ever since dark matter was introduced.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

You can't fail repairs anymore. I think its been that way ever since dark matter was introduced.

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Oh yes, and this. Thanks Estellios. I overlooked that statement from Jinko.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Not to mention, you sometimes save the repair material too, basically making it almost free, aside from time of course.

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Yeah so, never losing repair material on repair failure + a chance to repair using 0 dark matters + I get dark matters for free = good business for me, yep.

On Besaid, I frequently check people's bazaars in hopes they'll have something I can repair. Very rarely do I see anything I could repair.

My crafting levels aside, i've noticed that almost never is an adequate reward offered. Many times someone's reward value is actually *LESS* than the cost of buying the relevant dark matter! Sometimes they offer the relevant dark matter or the next tier dark matter up, and then it's a break even (plus you might get some XP), but it seems that most people don't realize you have to pay for repair materials...

the idea of paying based on % damaged would matter more if the % damaged actually affected the quality of the item like it did pre 1.19. Now, though, the item is fully functional until it reaches 0%. So for that, i dont mind paying a fixed price.

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Originally Posted by MrKupo

the idea of paying based on % damaged would matter more if the % damaged actually affected the quality of the item like it did pre 1.19. Now, though, the item is fully functional until it reaches 0%. So for that, i dont mind paying a fixed price.

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I'm thinking its more about convenience, if you are running past a repair NPC you can just get repaired quickly without being ripped off.

At the moment we all have to leave our armour and weapons go down as low as possible before getting them repaired just to get our monies worth, its why I see so many people in parties with red damaged icons.