... that becoming a house owner is next to impossible.
I bought this game because a friend said it has housing. I noticed during the trial how limited it is, but I bought it anyway because my friend wants to play.
Now, today I have spent 4 hours fishing oysters to further Culinarian by making Raw Oysters. At least that was the plan. Now I find out that Sun Lemons are only available through Gardening, which is only available for house owners, which I cannot be. Or through a vendor in a level 44 area which refuses to talk to me.
Anyway, I really don't understand why where is not a house for everyone as long as the GIL are there. We had big player created cities a decade ago in SWG, so don't tell me it is a technical limitation. This content should be available to everyone and not just a few people that probably bought the GIL somewhere to outbid everyone.
This really needs to be rectified and enough instances spawned so everyone can have a house and benefit from gardening.
It bothers me a lot...
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02-26-2016, 06:29 AMScorcher24It bothers me a lot...
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02-26-2016, 06:34 AMJamillion
Not that this solves your housing problem but you can also buy Sun lemons from the marketboards in the starting cities, just an fyi
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02-26-2016, 06:51 AMNanaWiloh
Love that automatic conclusion that people who have houses bought Gil too get them. Plenty of people in this game worked hard to get their homes, some like myself spending weeks too earn the gil for it. Abandon homes are demolished every 45 days, so if you want a house that is your chance to get one. Just make sure you #1. Have 1 class at lvl 50 #2. Have obtained First Leutiant with a GC #3. Have the gil to pay for the house or buy room at your FC's house if your apart of a FC. FC rooms cost 300k gil or wait until SE adds the mansions and get a room at one of them.
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02-26-2016, 07:11 AMSaint_Angeles
Sun Lemons are gathered in La Noscea if you have a Level 16 Botanist. Literally as many as you want.
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02-26-2016, 07:12 AMAndreaSlightly on topic. Before 3.1 I used to see houses being sold on my server all the time in PF, if you had the cash you almost certainly could buy a plot of someone. Now however that is deemed against the rules so if you don't want your house any more you have to wait the 45 days to get any money at all back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorcher24
On topic, Thank you for accusing me of buying gil. -
02-26-2016, 07:31 AMMomomiMomiNo sympathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorcher24
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02-26-2016, 09:16 AMChameleonMS
OP, there thousands of players with plenty of fairly earned Gil that are locked out of housing at this time (myself included). The situation is very sore point for the community.
Accusations of Gil buying are only tenuously justified at best, it is a very rare house owner that is not also an elite gatherer and/or crafter. -
02-26-2016, 10:52 PMSerendair
Dear OP, I see three options for you.
First: you go back to SWG if it was that much better. Sounds harsh? Yea maybe, you decided to play this game. Stop if you don't like it.
Second: you only started playing this game. You're level 26 and GC rank private third class. You don't even meet the requirements to buy a house even if there was a whole ward available only to you. How about level a job to 50. Level your GC rank. Make money on the way. You will realise it's actually easy to make money in this game if you really want to and don't have to buy gil as you insulted basically every house owner. By the time you actually CAN buy a house it should be 3.3 where the new wards are added and you have the chance on your house/appartment.
Third: Seeing that you created more than just one character on other servers too it doesn't seem to matter what server you play on. If you don't want to wait for 3.3 because you get to meet the requirements and make the money before that, then how about playing on one of those servers that still have plenty of houses available. (People of lower populated servers post about that all the time.)
I don't feel for you at all. The lack of houses available to everyone is a touchy topic already. It's old. It caused a lot of drama and frustration. No need to put salt into that wound. You sir, I'm sorry but you have no place to complain about housing not available to you. Get eglibility to purchase a house, then you may join the club and be "really bothered". Until then stop accusing those you're obviously jealous of. -
02-26-2016, 11:08 PMUltear_MilkovichI only have goldsmith leveled and i can make 1 million - 1.2 per week only crafting [things i will keep hidden ah ah]. And i m not even a real crafter, i basically suck a lot. I craft during queues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorcher24
No sympathy for calling committed people "gil buyers", sorry. -
02-27-2016, 12:01 AMMistakeNotJust about everybody agrees that it is a problem that housing is as limited as it is, but having said that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorcher24
Even if there were plenty of housing plots available you need to be level 50+ and have several million gil to buy one, so you would not be able to buy one of them yet anyway.
Besides, you do not need Gardening to get Sun Lemons. They can be gathered by any botanist level 16+ in Cedarwood, Lower La Noscea. It can also usually be found at the Market Boards. -
02-27-2016, 12:08 AMLemuel81They are adding more wards, what I think is hilarious is your comment on RMT to buy the house- thats just ignorance right there. Go make some Gil its easy as hell. And put yourself up in PF advertising that you would like to buy a house o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by Scorcher24
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02-27-2016, 12:45 AMChameleonMSOP, do not take this advice. It is technically against the ToS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuel81
You cannot actually buy a house from a player. You can only bribe them in to demolishing their house and relinquishing the plot to the open market. Which you then have to buy before someone else does. -
02-27-2016, 12:50 AMUltear_MilkovichInteresting to note that NA/JP game masters tend to forbid the housing market through PF/shouts whereas it is generally OK for euro GMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChameleonMS
On the EU server i am it is really common to see this.
Usually it s often the same players or FCs buying / selling spotsall the time.
I feel like it s easier to find a "WTS house" PF than a static recruitment... -
02-27-2016, 04:43 AMGyson
I think the original poster's main point is that there simply isn't enough housing available, which I can definitely agree with. There should be enough housing for every player on the server, with gil being the only hurdle (and I'm talking about pricing as set by SE, not pricing set by players who want to go against SE's policies and resell homes for ridiculous amounts of money).
Now, I know they're getting ready to add more wards, but even if they double the amount of existing neighborhoods that still isn't going to be enough to meet demand. And the apartment idea is not (I suspect) what most players are looking for as a solution. -
02-27-2016, 08:23 AMNeiraThank you. Everyone is too busy being offended by an obviously ignorant remark(the RMT one), despite the fact that it seems half of the posters even agree with the main point. The TC is a new player, frustrated, and trying to vent their frustration to the community. Almost every one of us has played a new game, become frustrated over something that happened, and jumped to an irrational conclusion based on our inexperience; they're hacking, botting, buying gil, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
I do agree with one poster that it's a sore topic and the OP did basically just pour salt in the wound, but does getting offended so easily truly help anything? Hopefully they learned how many people have legitimately purchased homes now, they now know more about how to get a home, and we can now read the -rest- of the post, without focusing on one sentence; one sentence that mentions "outbidding" people to boot, as if that's a thing in FFXIV.
Also TC, add me to the list of legitimate home owners, and my entire FC even. My small FC is almost all crafters, and they used crafting to buy a small, then crafting and gardening to upgrade to a medium, then to a large. I made my money mostly from the shares on crops when they came up after we got a large, on top of retainer ventures and GC seal farming for crafting materials to sell to buy my own small. -
02-27-2016, 04:16 PMOoglieBooglie
You think I bought gil? No. I hoarded my gil and built it up over time to buy a large mansion for myself. It helped that the semester for college ended and I could play all day long when heavensward came out and prices on all the gathered mats were super high, but I spent a lot of time acquiring the 40 million gil for my mansion. There are actually people that have earned hundreds of millions of gil in this game. There are even people who have multiple houses by having their own fc house and a personal house and/or having multiple alt characters.
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02-28-2016, 03:27 AMZelas
I find it hilarious how people are getting personally offended at a general comment. You should actually be agreeing with him. He never said YOU-- YEAH YOU PERSONALLY-- bought gil to get your house. But it's a fact a number of people probably did. Yeah. While you busted your ass making money for your house, a number of people most likely bought Gil to get theirs instantly. THAT's what you should be angry at.
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02-28-2016, 04:05 AMGyson
I'll make the unpopular (albeit completely honest and accurate) comment: anyone who has sold anything to another player, whether directly or through the marketplace, has had gil pass through their hands at some point that was originally purchased from RMT sources.
With all the ridiculous prices players charge one another.. where does everyone think all that money comes from? You don't set prices at several hundred thousand to millions (especially when selling homes) while targeting currency that was earned 100% legitimately. There's huge swaths of RMT currency floating out there in our economy, and (whether they realize it or not) every single seller is trying to get a hold of some without buying it directly from the very source they condemn.
Any of you are kidding yourselves if you think all the money you've made is 100% RMT-free -- the only people who can honestly make that claim are the players who have earned their fortunes without ever selling anything to another player. Not many people have unlocked the "Honest Gillionaire" title several times over, I suspect.
Sad, but true. -
02-28-2016, 04:23 PMLemuel81Show me where in ToS, that someone cannot sell in game items (houses) for in game currency?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChameleonMS
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02-28-2016, 04:25 PMLemuel81Umm I can make millions of Gil a day easy if I really wanted to....Gil is so easy to make in this game- while there is a lot of RMT like any other MMOrpg, its not hard to come up with 20+ million a week very easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
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02-28-2016, 08:53 PMNeiraYou might be missing their point. The only legitimate gil in this game is gil that's earned as a reward for quests, leves, roulettes, or things of that nature. Think about the source of gil; you may sell an item for 5,000,000 to someone, but how did they get that money? They got it from selling items to another player, but how did that player get their money? From selling items to yet another player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuel81
There is very little gil generated in this game from game activities. The majority of people who make their money make it on the MB, which is all money trading hands, not money being generated. When you start to think about how much money the average person makes from the game itself, not other players, you're talking in the thousands or tens of thousands, not millions.
The point is that RMT bots that did cycle through true gil generation methods like quests, leves, vendor selling, duties, and things of that nature, for extremely small amounts of gil but multiplied by a large number of characters doing the quest at once, they are the true source of a lot of the gil we use in-game. Now, if you did mean that you can make millions in a day from game methods like that, then I apologize, but I don't know any way that's possible. -
02-28-2016, 11:16 PMAndreaHow can something be a fact but also probably at the same time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelas
Anyone who disagrees with this is in denial. As soon as you sell around 10 items to other players you most likely have touched rmt moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
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02-29-2016, 02:11 AMGysonI never said anything to contrary. I don't think you actually read what I wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuel81
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ots_in_pf_now/Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuel81
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02-29-2016, 06:12 AMZadocfish
Is the housing available in the FC house that much worse? It's so much easier to get...
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02-29-2016, 08:10 AMNeiraIt's a little over half the size of a small house, with no yard. It also has no access to gardening, which most people probably can't do in their FC. I wouldn't say it's necessarily that much worse, just more limited. Also, to be quite honest, it's ridiculous that a feature is even advertised to try and draw people into this game when it's not available to the (overwhelming) majority of people who own the game. It would probably be more accepted if the market wasn't full of games that have housing systems that allow everyone to participate instead of only a select few; one that's a free to play game with a nearly identical system, but with more than ten times the available housing.Quote:
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03-03-2016, 06:47 AMBlitzace
Bought FC house. Bought myself a house. Bought my brother a house.
*SARCASM* *GASP*! Totally a gil buyer, I mean. the countless hours of me spending in this game i just sit AFK looking at the screen waiting for my gil to be delivered. *SARCASM* *GASP*!
Housing is limited, its being worked on. plenty of ways to get the item you're looking for. And in all honestly, Playing a game JUST because it has housing.
*points towards the sims* It has houses i think. F2P One time buy only. -
03-03-2016, 04:20 PMScorcher24That is condescending nonsense. If it would be ONLY about the housing, I wouldn't play it. But for me, it is a factor and no, The Sims is not a replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzace
Don't tell me what I can have fun with or not. I am probably a lot older than most people here and back in the day, housing was a social experience and that is why I play MMORPGs. For the social experience, not for shiny armor. -
03-03-2016, 06:15 PMSerendair
There's a difference between being old/older and being grown up. Currently you're acting like a spoiled teenager that doesn't get his way. Feel offended by that as well if you must.
You're on the right track though. Getting closer to 50. Got a GC rank-up. Leveled your DoH and DoL. All that within a week. You must have found out by now that you don't neccessarily need a garden to make some cash. Also you joined a FC that owns a house so be told that the social experience won't get much more than that even if you buy your own house. Get a room (literally) and you should be fine for now. Keep it up and keep your eyes out for randomly opening spots and eventually you'll have your own house in 3.3 at the latest. -
03-03-2016, 06:28 PMZadocfishThank you for saying what we were all thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serendair
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03-04-2016, 02:17 AMSyrehnThis player here is reporting that, after speaking to a GM, they have stated that it's the use of PF for selling your plot that is reportable; as technically that is not what the system is used for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyson
Plot selling is a very grey area as if the buyer doesn't understand that your cost is the "Relinquish" fee and that they would then need to pay the full price of the plot this opens it up to "Scam" violations if they report you.
You could technically get around this by selling the time that your house will be taken down for buyers to go repurchase. I believe this was confirmed to be acceptable. Seems kind of dumb since it equates to the same end result. :/ -
03-04-2016, 05:10 AMBlitzaceIf you're indeed a lot older*cough*mature?*cough*, you would know things don't come as you snap your fingers. Its already been made VERY clear, SE knows the issue, they're working on several housing things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorcher24
1. House selling is now against the rules.
2. They're making more wards.
3. They're adding mansions that hold up individual housing or some instance type thing.
4. They're working on a move feature.
And what else not.