Will there ever be less invisible walls?

I love to climb and jump onto stuff and each time I look around there are all those gorgeous paths I would love to take and places I want to get to.
I mean, look at the Foundation and all those awesome things you could discover if there wasn't an invisible wall everywhere.
I don't really get why they exist because nobody will ever get stuck since you could always teleport, I have only managed to kill myself once from fall damage since there always seems to be one magic HP point left and even if you could really die from fall damage, would people rage about that?
Will this game always seem like it's shielded by one of those plastic sofa covers?

Can you name any that don't also have the same kind of invisible walls where you can go everywhere you can see?

A lot of what you see when you look outside the invisible walls of zones doesn't really exist, per se. A lot of it is 2 dimensional, has awful textures, has no collision, etc. It's basically just pretty background for the areas that you can walk around in.

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Originally Posted by LionFranco

Can you name any that don't also have the same kind of invisible walls where you can go everywhere you can see?

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Do you mean other games? I found there to be way less invisible walls (to the point of either 0 or not noticeable) in: Guild Wars 2, World of Warcraft, Blade and Soul. I have less experience in other games to comment.

Not to get off topic, but from what I've seen of Fall Damage, if you're Out of Combat, you'll always have 1 HP no matter how far you fall. If you're in combat, you can die from fall damage. Otherwise, I have no opinion on the invisible walls.

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Originally Posted by LionFranco

Can you name any that don't also have the same kind of invisible walls where you can go everywhere you can see?

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when i played wow, it didn't have invisible walls... Unless, UNless you swam out into the ocean and died.... this game needs swimming too btw

The places blocked off by them don't actually exist. It's essentially just a backdrop to make it look as though the world extends beyond the area that was included in the game. Games that avoid invisible walls generally do it by adding visible ones instead (as this game does in many places). It makes it less immersion-breaking since it's more clearly obvious; you can't go that way because you'd be walking through a cliff face or whatever, but either way you're still limited to only being able to walk through areas that have been defined by the game.

An overall bigger game world would help. If there's more area that you can traverse, you'll run into the edge where you can't less often. And there are some places I think SE could have done a better job, particularly where an uncrossable path extends into a region map, so you can see another spot where you can go, except that you can only get there by going around the invisible wall.

Another way some games minimize it is to handle region boundaries differently. FFXIV has hard boundaries between regions, where you exit one region, have a loading screen while it loads the next region you're heading into, then you appear in the new region. The last MMO I played, LOTRO, still has regions, but in most cases it loads them piecemeal whenever you approach a boundary. The result is that you can continue traveling and pass seamlessly between them with no loading screen. That pattern allows regions to abut each other in such a way that there's a lot fewer places left undefined between them. But eventually you still get to the edge where you can't go any further. Where topography allows, that boundary will have a visible obstruction, a mountain, a cliff, an impassable section of forest, or whatever. But some places it's still just an invisible wall, just because you've reached the edge of the game world and can't go further.

I hope for more invisible walls. Then we can ask the devs to make the Mime/Mimic class come to life.

I also wish they would not use invisible walls. There's one particular stream in Shroud that comes to mind. Both sides of it are playable areas, but you HAVE to use the bridge to get across. No running through the stream.

http://i.imgur.com/rsxhVlW.jpg

This was one of the reasons why I loved Guild Wars 2 so much. Hard to reach places sometimes hid the entrance to a secret jumping puzzle or treasure, which made exploring a really fun aspect of the game. Hell even the huge PvP area had a secret jumping puzzle underneath it that factions could fight over as they scaled its difficult hike. It felt like there was nowhere you couldn't go. ^^

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Blade and Soul

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that whole game is an invisible wall...................

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

that whole game is an invisible wall...................

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Really? I don't remember hitting a single one when I played.

I think there won't be less invisible walls in this game from the way it was built up.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Really? I don't remember hitting a single one when I played.

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You haven't tried hard enough. lol
Even tiny ledges can cause problems.
Example:
http://plays.tv/video/56c4f76b0b483ad60b

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

You haven't tried hard enough. lol
Even tiny ledges can cause problems.
Example:
http://plays.tv/video/56c4f76b0b483ad60b

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Can't watch, at work. If I have to try hard to find it, then it's clearly better than FFXIV where you run in to them constantly. is the tiny ledge problem where you are sprinting and can't climb a step? I hit that a lot, but not sure if I'd call that an invisible wall per se.

You have less invisible walls if you fly

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Originally Posted by LionFranco

Can you name any that don't also have the same kind of invisible walls where you can go everywhere you can see?

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As mentioned, GW2 is pretty open, and then there is also Archeage. With Archeage, you can pretty much climb/glide/explore anywhere you like. It was really quite a lot of fun just exploring and trying to see how you could get to the top of whatever random landmark you felt like. I'm sure there are plenty of others, my gaming experience if fairly limited.

Then we hop back over to XIV where even tiny little puddles have walls around them (I'm looking at you Western La Noscea).

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Then we hop back over to XIV where even tiny little puddles have walls around them (I'm looking at you Western La Noscea).

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To be fair, I think those are supposed to be fairly deep tidal pools and we don't have swimming so...

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Originally Posted by LionFranco

Can you name any that don't also have the same kind of invisible walls where you can go everywhere you can see?

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I played Guild Wars 2 before and I never had the feeling that I was restricted in any way, it wasn't even a thing I thought about really I just could jump everywhere and I loved it. There are of course some restrictions too, but not being able to jump up a 90 degree mountain doesn't seem that bad to me since I still have Skyrim for that.
I played WoW for a day or two and I was on top of a big tree and thought "Hey, I bet it's easier to just jump of"... and I did... and I died, but I liked that I was able to try it out, I even found bones from people who tried before me.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

A lot of what you see when you look outside the invisible walls of zones doesn't really exist, per se. A lot of it is 2 dimensional, has awful textures, has no collision, etc. It's basically just pretty background for the areas that you can walk around in.

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Even if it's right in the middle of the map? Like Idyllshire for example, those rock piles look like they exist. Or if you stand on the edge of the map in the Foundation and look down those structures look pretty real.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

To be fair, I think those are supposed to be fairly deep tidal pools and we don't have swimming so...

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Maybe people want insta-death zones they can fall into? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Uhm

Even if it's right in the middle of the map? Like Idyllshire for example, those rock piles look like they exist. Or if you stand on the edge of the map in the Foundation and look down those structures look pretty real.

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The invisible walls in Idyllshire are likely there to prevent problems from occurring when the zone is updated every patch.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Maybe people want insta-death zones they can fall into? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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This existed for a short time in the 2.0 beta.
It was strange.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

The invisible walls in Idyllshire are likely there to prevent problems from occurring when the zone is updated every patch.

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Ahh, I didn't even think of this but it makes sense. Imagine if the platform you were standing on was replaced by an entire building that is now sitting on your character, lol. That'd be an awfully rude thing to login to. :3

Aside from the edges of cliffs I and flying off somewhere I don't notice walls very often. Most of the areas in the game are structured well enough that the walls you run into are physical. (That said if you're climbing weird stuff then you're probably going to run into stuff. Get down from there!)

Yes, I loved how you could fall for an eternity in Outlands while playing WoW and then have to take the spirit healer res because you couldn't run to your body >.>.

I like the way invisible walls were handled in FFXIV, we have some jumping down to 1HP that people like; but things that instantly kill you, like if you jump off of the world map, will not let you try.

If you force to go in invisible wall, this is what happen.

At Mist.

http://puu.sh/ndshR/249b86e8a0.png

Old Picture

http://puu.sh/ndslH/b797fb3cb1.png

I miss the void under Coerthas

also the Outer LaNo void

ill try drag up screenies later, lots of history

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Originally Posted by LDR

I miss the void under Coerthas

also the Outer LaNo void

ill try drag up screenies later, lots of history

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http://puu.sh/ndvk5/4659cae2c0.png

http://puu.sh/ndvei/6b03c08597.png

http://puu.sh/ndvbo/7ade6e1d0a.png

Coerthas Central Highlands, East Shroud, Outer La Noscea, Eastern La Noscea, Mor Dhona, Northern Thanalan...

Skypony has seen them all! I miss this. We used to spend hours exploring outside the map.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

http://puu.sh/ndvk5/4659cae2c0.png

http://puu.sh/ndvei/6b03c08597.png

http://puu.sh/ndvbo/7ade6e1d0a.png

Coerthas Central Highlands, East Shroud, Outer La Noscea, Eastern La Noscea, Mor Dhona, Northern Thanalan...

Skypony has seen them all! I miss this. We used to spend hours exploring outside the map.

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Sadly players used some of those areas to do fates uncontested which is why they no longer can be explored. I remember going over to North Than and seeing fate bosses getting killed from underneath, kinda creepy the first time I seen it, but then when I learned about, fairly enjoyed going out there for a few screenshots.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Sadly players used some of those areas to do fates uncontested which is why they no longer can be explored.

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Yeah, the East Shroud one in particular we noticed that we were in range to kill many mobs from below.

We never really tried anywhere else, cause it's kinda pointless imo. xD