Why not put housing plots on mog station?

If the reason for limited land plots is server costs, why not break down the costs and charge money for plots via the mog station? It could even be done as a monthly or yearly rent.

As long as the plots couldn't be resold for gil, it would clear up the serious issue of buying and reselling houses. And in turn, it would clear up the normal wards for people who want to buy a house with gil (especially once new wards are released)

The fastest way to make gil in this game at the moment is to buy and resell property. And when people are using 3rd party programs to notify them, it ruins a chunk of the game for a lot of players. Making it possible to purchase plots via the mog station would help fix this.

And while I understand the whole apartment thing is supposed to fix the problem, a lot of people will still want their own yard, in a ward, with easy access to a marketboard and retainer bell.

While I'm sure your intentions are well placed, I know the majority of the games population would be upset over this, myself included. Housing should always be something that is payed for out of our sub and Gil alone.

Shroud of the Avatar is doing that.

It's a catch 22. Some people love the idea of this, but a lot of people are voicing their displeasure on having to spend money (IRL money at that) on a game.

Worse: on a sub game where you already are paying to play the game.

The logical answer would be that they need to sit down and try to budget a bit of funding on upgrading the server infrastructure at some point to make it more stable to accommodate the housing request. But you will find a lot of people will get angry if a feature in a Pay to Play game is put on a cash shop to bypass the work they did to get the house with their funds and beating the rushes when the lots became available.

There's no easy answer to this. They just need to put their boots on and fix their infrastructure. It's simple as that.

Yeah. I wouldn't put housing on the market per se, but it may be worth putting some unique items on that you may not be able to get in game without a LOT of work (for example, the mog house façades). Sure, you can get them in game if you collect the materials and such, but you could also pay to get them too and I think more people would pay a couple bucks than would spend all that time gathering and crafting. Would be interesting if you could give your house more unique looks too with different architecture, like Sharlayan, Dravanian, etc.

please no... I really can't stand these, "Just charge us!" threads. Lets just ask that SE funnel more money back into FFXIV instead of away.

The answer to satisfy both is easy:

There should be enough plots that you NEVER have to use Gil or Real Life Money.
If they add such a system it is ONLY ok if there is an ABUNDANCE of free plots. It becomes a lazy shortcut, and that is OK.

But if they added it now? HECK NO. We shouldn't have to pay SE extra for their faulty system.

I don't want to pay more actual money to have my house, no no no.

And how would FC houses work? The Guild Master has to pay it? Screw that noise.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

If the reason for limited land plots is server costs, why not break down the costs and charge money for plots via the mog station? It could even be done as a monthly or yearly rent.

As long as the plots couldn't be resold for gil, it would clear up the serious issue of buying and reselling houses. And in turn, it would clear up the normal wards for people who want to buy a house with gil (especially once new wards are released)

The fastest way to make gil in this game at the moment is to buy and resell property. And when people are using 3rd party programs to notify them, it ruins a chunk of the game for a lot of players. Making it possible to purchase plots via the mog station would help fix this.

And while I understand the whole apartment thing is supposed to fix the problem, a lot of people will still want their own yard, in a ward, with easy access to a marketboard and retainer bell.

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Go away.
/10char

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Originally Posted by KrenianKandos

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This is why I think SE should introduce Personal Apartment for players who can't obtain a housing plot and don't want to be restricted to a FC.

Inn rooms are decent but does not provide the customization option players want.

Personal Apartment would be easier to provide customiable rooms for all players and would not require a plot instance like housing which currently serves mostly to limit the amount of housing in the game.

I'm not one to usually put someone's idea down like this, because I never feel right doing so, but putting housing behind cash shop is a terrible idea(And this is coming from someone who adamantly supports cash shop)

We pay a sub fee... that is all that should be needed. Paying additional money for a house is not the solution. Sorry don't agree with this in the least.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

This is why I think SE should introduce Personal Apartment for players who can't obtain a housing plot and don't want to be restricted to a FC.

Inn rooms are decent but does not provide the customization option players want.

Personal Apartment would be easier to provide customiable rooms for all players and would not require a plot instance like housing which currently serves mostly to limit the amount of housing in the game.

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Not arguing with that whatsoever, to be honest with you. There should be a way for each individual player to be able to afford a house or at least, an apartment of some sort to call their own and have the options of a mini home. But I am also under the impression that the housing system was created in the purpose for all players to join together in an FC and purchase it as an FC in order for you to work together. It's almost like an accomplishment. But again, even that's problematic because there's not enough housing for all the FCs out there.

They honestly need to invest in the housing infrastructure with some of their money and that is that.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

This is why I think SE should introduce Personal Apartment for players who can't obtain a housing plot and don't want to be restricted to a FC.

Inn rooms are decent but does not provide the customization option players want.

Personal Apartment would be easier to provide customiable rooms for all players and would not require a plot instance like housing which currently serves mostly to limit the amount of housing in the game.

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Aren't they already working on this? O_o

The problem is that the wards are persistent areas that are ALWAYS loaded into the server. The reason they can't easily add more wards is because they rather naively designed a system that would require more physical server hardware to run each individual ward as opposed to instances that are only loaded to the server when needed (and thus need far less server capacity to operate and are much easier to expand on). How they didn't realise that this was going to be unsustainable I don't know. The ONLY real solutions at this point are either for the ward system to be scrapped or an additional, entirely instanced housing system to be added alongside it.

Offering to pay extra to support additional servers STILL wouldn't solve the issue as every time they reach capacity you would need to wait for SE to buy and install new servers before more wards could be added. There is quite literally NOTHING that can be done to solve this issue short of scrapping/replacing the current system.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

This is why I think SE should introduce Personal Apartment for players who can't obtain a housing plot and don't want to be restricted to a FC.

Inn rooms are decent but does not provide the customization option players want.

Personal Apartment would be easier to provide customiable rooms for all players and would not require a plot instance like housing which currently serves mostly to limit the amount of housing in the game.

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UM, Are any of you in this topic aware of the simple fact that SE has in fact confirmed that they will be bringing personal apartments to the housing areas through what in Japan are called Mansions, and elsewhere are more properly known as condominiums, or perhaps apartments. In essence each 'mansion' will house up to 512 player apartments they also indicate they are working on gardening furnishings and some kind of communal chocobo stable.

As I remember it this new form of housing will be a central building in the ward that players can enter their apartment through. Free Companies can have 512 members each with a personal chamber. This new concept is a communal housing building that houses 512 personal apartments for players. I would guess that this new concept is more or less a special implementation of the FC functionality to allow players who 'join' the mansion to purchase their apartment, and participate in gardening and chocobo raising in ways similar to those that are available within a Free Company. Of course there is no actual Free Company in this case, just a place holder for the mansion access and Personal Apartments.

Either way, I'm more or less certain this has been announced in a previous Live Letter.

Putting existing plots on the MogStation would be a disaster and very unfair to players who do not currently have a home since they would now be expected to pay extra $$ instead of in-game currency. OP, this is a poor idea that no one wants (there that's more polite than my original comment). :)

While we are at it lets just delete all gil and make it even more useless then it already is. FF 14 economy is not really as relevant as it was in 1.0/2.0 with most things easily achieved now and days. Even the relic ingredients at this point in time is mainly for acquiring a glamour item if you have Savage weapons or even Thordan Xtreme weapons. Housing is the only real gil check in the system of a flood of gil.

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Originally Posted by Galdous

While we are at it lets just delete all gil and make it even more useless then it already is. FF 14 economy is not really as relevant as it was in 1.0/2.0 with most things easily achieved now and days. Even the relic ingredients at this point in time is mainly for acquiring a glamour item if you have Savage weapons or even Thordan Xtreme weapons. Housing is the only real gil check in the system of a flood of gil.

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Looking at the completion rates of Savage anything, I think you are wildly overestimating the number of players with such items, and very much understating the value of the newly enhanced relics.

SE has already announced more plots and wards in existing areas, and apartment style housing is coming after that;

January Live Letter, 4th Question.

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Q: Auto-reclamation for housing starts this month, but can you tell us if there will be any future additions of plots?

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A: We'll be increasing the number of plots for existing housing areas in Patch 3.3. After we expand those areas, we'll add apartment-style housing in Ishgard areas afterwards, starting with one apartment-style building which will hold about 512 residences. We’re also planning to make chocobo stables available for use to residents of apartment-style housing. Gardening patches are still proving somewhat difficult, but we’re currently developing new “planter pots” that will allow gardening.

As per demand, we are also looking into the prospect of increasing the number of indoor furnishings which can be placed in residences.

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Note, that in this answer the original Japanese language used the term 'Mansion' to describe the building housing the apartments. I think that because they want this new type of housing to be roughly equivalent to small personal houses, the apartments will be two level Maisonettes - which fits very well the 'Mansion' concept in the original Japanese.

No.

Because if I buy a plot with real money; I would upset if I lost it 45 days later from taking a break.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

SE has already announced more plots and wards in existing areas, and apartment style housing is coming after that;

January Live Letter, 4th Question.



Note, that in this answer the original Japanese language used the term 'Mansion' to describe the building housing the apartments. I think that because they want this new type of housing to be roughly equivalent to small personal houses, the apartments will be two level Maisonettes - which fits very well the 'Mansion' concept in the original Japanese.

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The thing is 'more wards' is only a band aid as they will just run out within 10 minutes again. The game needs an unlimited pool of housing plots for players to buy. Many other MMOs have managed this so it is perfectly feasible. SE just designed the current system very very poorly.

I'm not sure where you're getting the two storey thing from. 'Mansions' in Japan are apartment blocks. Flats. The mansions are still limited by the way; 512 apartments (not houses, they're likely identical to FC private chambers). Firstly they won't last long, and secondly players don't want apartments, they want houses. Like I said, other MMOs have managed this just fine so why can't SE?

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Originally Posted by Alberel

The thing is 'more wards' is only a band aid as they will just run out within 10 minutes again. The game needs an unlimited pool of housing plots for players to buy. Many other MMOs have managed this so it is perfectly feasible. SE just designed the current system very very poorly.

The mansions are still limited by the way; 512 apartments (not houses, they're likely identical to FC private chambers). Firstly they won't last long, and secondly players don't want apartments, they want houses. Like I said, other MMOs have managed this just fine so why can't SE?

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You're just repeating what's in my posts. Yes apartments will be 512 to a block, but it will be easy to implement multiple 'blocks' considering that they are implemented along the same lines as a FC house. 1 block per ward in all housing wards would end the housing shortage overnight. Also I think that these apartments will be maisonettes, not simply chambers because they are trying to give players something equivalent to an individual house, the smallest of which has two floors (including basement).

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Originally Posted by Alberel

The ONLY real solutions at this point are either for the ward system to be scrapped or an additional, entirely instanced housing system to be added alongside it.

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Apartments, coming soon

No.

/10char

I would love for them to put houses on the Mog Station. I really want a house but it is impossible to find a open small plot to purchase. I would buy one from the Mog Station day 1 if it was a option.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

I would love for them to put houses on the Mog Station. I really want a house but it is impossible to find a open small plot to purchase. I would buy one from the Mog Station day 1 if it was a option.

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I would too assuming there was unlimited plots/wards available. If you wanted to purchase a house with gil, but land was still limited and someone with real cash beat you to it, that's feel pretty crappy. Other than that, I'm all for it.

as i already have a house if had to pay real money for it.. not a chance lol only things that should remain in the mogstation is cheap glamours n past event items ;/

Terrible idea. Housing needs to be fixed but making it a Cash-Shop item is not the answer.

This isn't a FTP game, your sub should cover everything apart from cosmetic items. Housing is advertised as a feature of the game, everyone should have access to it without having to pay extra.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

The thing is 'more wards' is only a band aid as they will just run out within 10 minutes again. The game needs an unlimited pool of housing plots for players to buy. Many other MMOs have managed this so it is perfectly feasible. SE just designed the current system very very poorly.

I'm not sure where you're getting the two storey thing from. 'Mansions' in Japan are apartment blocks. Flats. The mansions are still limited by the way; 512 apartments (not houses, they're likely identical to FC private chambers). Firstly they won't last long, and secondly players don't want apartments, they want houses. Like I said, other MMOs have managed this just fine so why can't SE?

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This, this this.

Even with 512 person mansions, they'll still be limited. What happens when they fill? The problem starts all over again.

Private instances that aren't loaded the entire time are the solution, just like your Inn room. So replace the Inn room with a private instanced room. Preferably one that doesn't blackmail you into resubbing for every 45 days, too.

Selling Plots on MogStation? Sure, could work. They just have to remove the Airship system and gardening, so it doesn't get " kinda pay to win/get gil facility". Then it would be glamour like all the other things on MogStation.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

I would love for them to put houses on the Mog Station. I really want a house but it is impossible to find a open small plot to purchase. I would buy one from the Mog Station day 1 if it was a option.

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That would fix nothing.
Don't forget, the poblem is not people selling houses to other people, but people paying other people for demolishing their house.
With plots in the mog shop people will still pay other people with gil to get a free plot they can then buy in the mog shop.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

This, this this.

Even with 512 person mansions, they'll still be limited. What happens when they fill? The problem starts all over again.

Private instances that aren't loaded the entire time are the solution, just like your Inn room. So replace the Inn room with a private instanced room. Preferably one that doesn't blackmail you into resubbing for every 45 days, too.

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512 * 16 (normal and extended wards) * 4 (the 4 cities) = 32768 rooms if they only put 1 aprtment in each ward