How to Handle RP Raiding Players

While recently running unsynced older content, a player has been joining that is gimping his dps intentionally. The raids themselves are easier now, but strong dps will of course help skip several mechanics and push us past any problems we might run into. This player however is not only a weak dps, but also wears gear at level 60 that wasn't even BiS at the end of 2.0 when people were farming the content. In some cases this is fine, but when its a dps check to skip mechanics it clearly is a problem. I have asked nicely, then firmly, then locked them out of my parties by having the item level too high. This however led to them still joining by switching 1 piece out just to meet ilvl and switching back.

As we keep ending up in parties together for raiding such content, with other players are frustrated as well, I am at a loss of how to proceed. Should I blacklist so they cannot join my parties? Should I continue to ask them to change their gear?

I'm not sure what that has to do with roleplayers. Most of the RPers I know strive to be good at endgame so they can farm all the glamour items and gear. (Not to mention, unlock all the areas and get lore from quests).

It sounds like you've encountered a bad player. Or perhaps a troll. If they are intentionally playing poorly and not wearing the correct gear, you could try to report them for harassment and kick them from the party. Other members of the party would likely need to initiate a kick if yours is on timer. Sadly though, the DF has no issue in matching a kicked player back into the party they were kicked from, which should probably be filed as a bug.

If it's known he will "harass" the party by intentionally gimping his dps and gear just kick him at the moment he tries to join your party in PF, blacklist him. He is a troll. He had his chance to explain himself and he doesn't responed so just kick out of the party if he joins again. And report him for griefing and harassment, perhaps.

Why others and myself suspect him of being a RPer is the fact that he does glam his gear, however he specially wears 1 piece that is 110. He also does thing like walking to treasure maps from Foundation to Sea of Clouds in stead of teleporting or even flying.

He doesn't seem like a troll since he does do the mechanics, he does clear with us, and he does talk with us. I think he just equips the gear just to give himself a challenge or that is his character he plays.

Report him for switching gear to below the pf request. Also blist.

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Originally Posted by reiichi

Sadly though, the DF has no issue in matching a kicked player back into the party they were kicked from, which should probably be filed as a bug.

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Except you can't queue an in-progress if you get kicked. Was a patch or two ago. And yes, there are definitely RPers who gimp their DPS for the sake of RP; sure, they're also trolling, but when they say that they're RPing so they can't use X-abilities, guess where the blame goes.


As for OP, just Blacklist them if they're being a problem. And if its a PF they're joining, just kick them from your party and report them for harassment if they rejoin.

Block list him and move on with your life please.

Also if you are 8 manning old 2.0 content, and the DPS of 1 person is holding you back on phase skipping as you say. I would not be looking at this 1 person, I would look at the entire team to begin with. Old content can be 4 to 6 manned without issues.

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Originally Posted by DarienChiba

In some cases this is fine, but when its a dps check to skip mechanics it clearly is a problem. I have asked nicely, then firmly, then locked them out of my parties by having the item level too high. This however led to them still joining by switching 1 piece out just to meet ilvl and switching back.

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No. It is never ok to gimp your gear when playing with random people. There are no cases where this is fine.

And what I'd do is simply blacklist them. If they are going to continue doing what you have said then simply put I dont want them in content with me.

Also I wouldn't link this to RP players raiding as most have the common sense to not RP in DF or when clearing content. And if they do RP in duties its always with a RP group. This guy is just an idiot.

As others have said, best solution is to Black list them, then they can't join your PF at all, it'd be greyed out to them.

A lot of their behavior is reportable as griefing. I would've blacklisted them long ago.

Had a SMN in Neverreap with a Dreadwyrm book once. Not glamoured or anything, just kinda... using it. People are weird.

Had a player show up in Neverreap who was an Archer. Intentionally an Archer. Ironically, I can't tell you the player's name, but it involved the word "Archer" and was I'm guessing the whole gimmick. When I asked why, they said something along the lines of "If you're worried about DPS being slow, you not doing anything makes it even slower." I was willing to give it a shot, but with that sort of response.... They're purposely making the content take longer. I dropped. Maybe I should've stayed, but after running like 100 Neverreaps the last thing I want to do is spend extra time there.

That's not a roleplayer. That's an asshole.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

That's not a roleplayer. That's an asshole.

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Maybe he's roleplaying as a troll.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Maybe he's roleplaying as a troll.

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Like a... Trolleplayer?

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Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt

Like a... Trolleplayer?

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Considering that we got people who do the same thing in forums and stick to it like a craft, I would not be surprised.

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Originally Posted by DarienChiba

Why others and myself suspect him of being a RPer is the fact that he does glam his gear

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...glamouring as a sole sign of being an RPer? Err, ok.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

...glamouring as a sole sign of being an RPer? Err, ok.

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If you aren't glamouring your gear you're playing endgame wrong.

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Originally Posted by Judah_Brandt

Had a player show up in Neverreap who was an Archer. Intentionally an Archer. Ironically, I can't tell you the player's name, but it involved the word "Archer" and was I'm guessing the whole gimmick. When I asked why, they said something along the lines of "If you're worried about DPS being slow, you not doing anything makes it even slower." I was willing to give it a shot, but with that sort of response.... They're purposely making the content take longer. I dropped. Maybe I should've stayed, but after running like 100 Neverreaps the last thing I want to do is spend extra time there.

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I've been grouped with that person, though they actually did pretty well, used a lot of cross class skills that made up for the lack of job crystal. was overall an enjoyable run with em.... Granted you could have met someone else entirely but yeah

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

I've been grouped with that person, though they actually did pretty well, used a lot of cross class skills that made up for the lack of job crystal. was overall an enjoyable run with em.... Granted you could have met someone else entirely but yeah

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The cross-class skills really can't "make up for" the lack of a job crystal with the 50-60 skills being locked behind it.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

The cross-class skills really can't "make up for" the lack of a job crystal with the 50-60 skills being locked behind it.

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it's one of those opinion things, I feel. I prefer having job crystals, myself, but I'm not gonna really fault someone else for feeling otherwise, so long as my run isn't slowed down considerably, I don't care if someone plays as a job or class, really, and in the instance I referred to, it felt like the run was just as fast as usual, so I didn't mind it, it's why I said the person the guy I responded to could have been someone else entirely with the same character name was a possibility, or maybe I just got lucky, I dunno, really.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

it's one of those opinion things, I feel. I prefer having job crystals, myself, but I'm not gonna really fault someone else for feeling otherwise, so long as my run isn't slowed down considerably, I don't care if someone plays as a job or class, really, and in the instance I referred to, it felt like the run was just as fast as usual, so I didn't mind it, it's why I said the person the guy I responded to could have been someone else entirely with the same character name was a possibility, or maybe I just got lucky, I dunno, really.

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Some can play better than your average DF schlub with no job stone, I've only run into one though.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Some can play better than your average DF schlub with no job stone, I've only run into one though.

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While it is true that someone could play better without their jobstone than over half of the players in DF. They could have been doing even more damage had they not chosen to purposefully gimp themselves.

If you want to run stuff as a class instead of a job thats fine. Just keep it to PF or friends.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

I've been grouped with that person, though they actually did pretty well, used a lot of cross class skills that made up for the lack of job crystal. was overall an enjoyable run with em.... Granted you could have met someone else entirely but yeah

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The cross skills archer gets adds nothing to dps. Everything else would have been things like stinkskin, cures and protect. So that statement is a bit of an oxymoron; those skills do not make up for the loss of extra dex, loss of WM and dps skills, and the loss of for req.

To be honest they probably are a nice person. Except I don't think I was in the mood for it. I can't tell someone how to play the game, but I'm sorry there is no amount of cross class abilities that are going to make up for Wanderer's Minuet or the other advanced skills they missed out on going up from 30-60, plus the loss of damage from not being able to equip BRD-specific gear.

As you said, however, could be anybody I guess. Honestly, though, just as a player may choose to play the game however they want, the fact that it unavoidably is an absolute detriment can't be argued against. If I showed up in the instance, then equipped level 10 gear because "that's my play style" it is a detriment to the party. It just is. It isn't that I fault a person for finding a way to play the game that is fun, it just disrupts my game because their play style is an active detriment. I don't care if they want to roleplay a magical fairy Knight who needs to kill the vundu to save their imaginary wife, that isn't a detriment. I don't care if they spam the chat in-character, that isn't a detriment. Actively entering into content weaker than you actually should on purpose is a detriment.

Blacklist idiots and move on. Motto for any form of online socializing. Why haven't you blacklisted him yet? Clearly he's either stupid, trolling, or both, RP doesn't normally extend to intentionally wearing bad gear in instances (especially since glamour prisms exist...).

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Originally Posted by Andrea

While it is true that someone could play better without their jobstone than over half of the players in DF. They could have been doing even more damage had they not chosen to purposefully gimp themselves.

If you want to run stuff as a class instead of a job thats fine. Just keep it to PF or friends.

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point missed.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

If you aren't glamouring your gear you're playing endgame wrong.

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