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Make it look exactly like this please. <3 Or have an exact glamour available in the mog station for purchase. Kain forever! Kain for life!!!
Image might be a bit big, didn't realize how big. O_o
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02-03-2016, 02:30 PMTheUltimateSephEndgame DRG Armor
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02-03-2016, 02:32 PMAlphaFox
Why is everyone so quick to want to throw more money? Given the option of including it in game or mogshop, as a developer I'd go with Mogshop every single time I saw threads like this.
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02-03-2016, 02:36 PMTheUltimateSephHonestly I don't care either way as long as I can have that look. :P Glamours aren't very pricey in the Mogstation anywho so well worth $8-$15 for me. $20 would be my absolute max. I probably shouldn't have said that though. >_<Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFox
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02-03-2016, 02:49 PMNominousBecause people enjoy supporting what they like (or love). It's actually not a foreign concept, you know. Not to mention, for every service, there deserves compensation. We already get free outfits and such as sub rewards every few months, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFox
You can pay 15 bucks a month for a gym membership that has access to all their facilities, but that doesn't mean you get Gatorade and protein bars for free. Sub MMO's don't really operate much differently, and I'd say you shouldn't take for granted the freebies we already do get. -
02-03-2016, 03:28 PMJynxWorld has changed since my time. It's a crazy world out there full of crazy people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
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02-03-2016, 04:42 PMAlexander_DragonfangNothing in this game is free, all should be granted to me by just buying it and keeping my subscription up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
Microtransactions are the cancer of the gaming industry from gamers perspective, saying that you love it is simply a justification to your probably mental condition of impulsive consumism.
... "Support" like this is what encourages and allows games like evole or any EA piece of year trash exist... And more encouragin of it on this forums, which is 1 thread too much already will end up being hurt full for all the player base. Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support". Stop it. You are bad. Microtransactions are bad. Cash Shops are bad. -
02-03-2016, 04:57 PMAskaRayActually $15 is quite a lot. Heck... $10 is really a lot. Is it "too much"? Nah, I don't think so, but to be fair not everyone has $10 extra to throw away on a single outfit for a video game :(Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph
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02-03-2016, 06:16 PMRyuRootsFREEBIES. Wow. This is a new level of white-knighting absurdity. No one goes to a gym to collect gatorade or protein bars either, smart guy. Yeah, it IS true that you only technically get access to the servers for your sub fee, but there's a degree of player trust that what they get access to will be worthwhile and that they won't be nickel and dimed because they are already supporting what they love with their money. I don't think you understand what a "freebie" is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
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02-03-2016, 07:45 PMCuervo78
I am supporting the game with my subscription, even though I accept some paid services exist like world transfer or name change there are limits what is tolerable in a pay to play MMO.
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02-03-2016, 07:51 PMCyrilLuciferI agree. Those are fair. The others are absurdity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuervo78
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02-03-2016, 07:56 PMCGMidlanderHave you seen outfits in F2P games? (e.g. $31.90 for good stat outfit in Vindictus, $15 outfits in Blade and Soul, $4-10 per piece of glam in Maplestory ...etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
MMOs aside, there's also a massive amount of DLC available for purchase on Steam for pretty much every new game these days.
Consumers have (unfortunately) shown that they don't mind getting nickel and dimed on cosmetic items and extra content.
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02-03-2016, 07:58 PMNalien
All the minions, mounts, and costumes in the cash shop should frankly be obtainable in game, behind something absurd like a MGP grind. I can accept the cash shop as a "short cut" to getting these kinds of things, but when you see them tease Sleipnir as a player mount back in beta, only for them to turn around months later and sell it on for an absurd price... If that isn't crossing the line, it is very violently humping it... Something like Sleipnir should have dropped from the Odin Trial, and I'd have absolutely no problem with primal ponies being in the cash shop; Let people who want to play the game they are paying for, play it. Let people who just want to throw money at the game throw money at the game and never bother with stuff like Gold Saucer or Primals.
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02-04-2016, 12:01 AMTheUltimateSeph1. No. The cash shop stuff is extra stuff aside from your subscription. Just because you pay for the sub doesn't automatically entitle you to free cash shop items whenever they are added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
2. I never said I "love" it but I do like the ability to buy OPTIONAL COSMETIC items from the cash shop and saying this means I have a mental condition is retarded in itself.
3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop. I'm soooo sorry for your unbearable pain. :(
4. No. As of now the cash shop is purely COSMETIC with no indication whatsoever that it will ever change.
5. Lol It's an open forum. Me using it to ask for a glamour is bad? No.
6. Micro transactions and cash shops are another way for the company to turn a profit and keep the game running. I fail to see how this is bad?!? -
02-04-2016, 12:12 AMIlitsaI was in agreement with your post until this part. Then you just became a condescending prick. Good job. Once someone resorts to calling someone else "bad" because they think a different way, that person loses any and all respect and credibility in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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02-04-2016, 12:23 AMNalienWell, I'm sure some SE executive type is looking at FFXIV, looking at the massive amounts of money they draw in from the cash shop, and going "Why should we waste money hiring content designers to make better content for the game? Just paint that mount another colour and charge for it".Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph
Seriously, I'd love to see the profits SE gets from the cash shop, stuff like the Magitek Mounts and Scion outfits are existing assets, there was no cost involved in their creation (or very little, for painting the Magitek mount red, and giving Minfilias outfit to all races). They're charging 15$ (or whatever) for what exactly? The right to have it? It certainly didn't cost them anything extra to make, considering they've been around since 2.0 (for the white Magitek mount, 1.0 if you want to split hairs over the Scions outfits). It's pure profit for them, and you just know someone higher up the corporate chain is wanting to cash in on that, rather than cash in on quality content. Quality content takes time and money to produce, two things which seemingly didn't go into something like Diadem... -
02-04-2016, 12:36 AMTheUltimateSephI refer you to point 3 in my last post. 3. No one is making you buy items from the cash shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
I really didn't think this thread would turn into some kind of argument as to why the cash shop is bad or shouldn't exist in the first place. Guess I should have known better. Cmon guys bring on the hate some more. It feeds me.
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02-04-2016, 12:40 AMNalienI never suggested anyone was making me buy from the cash shop... Here's the thing though; People do buy from the cash shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph
Why should SE care if I quit, for example. I'm only paying the standard subscription fee. Who cares though, they can just paint the Magitek mount purple, slap it on the cash shop, and the remaining people who do purchase from the cash shop have covered the loss of my subscription fee, and then some.
Though, with something like this games piss-poor inventory and glamour system... I kinda do need to pay for an extra retainer at this point... We can ignore that though, the issue with cash shops is that some people do not like the idea of being milked for profit in that way. Sure, we can not purchase from it, but someone who is fine with being milked will. Who does SE care more about retaining as a subscriber? The player paying the standard subscription fee, or the players throwing cash at them for painting mounts different colours? It's a no brainer, really.
Honestly, I begrudgingly tolerated the cash shop, but when they throw something like Diadem out... Well, then I start to have concerns over the future of this game... Like they care about my opinion though, they're getting less money out of me than someone who wants a green ADS ball, or whatever they release to the cash shop next... -
02-04-2016, 12:41 AMRufalusWhere do you draw the line then in telling people what are proper and improper uses of money. Somebody could say shops that sell blue shirts are bad and you are bad for buying them. It wouldn't really be a more or less valid argument. If somebody loves what S-E are doing and think the cosmetic items they design are worth money, they buy. Money in general isn't a fair system but S-E didn't invent that. They are just doing what all businesses do, trying make as much profit as they can, and it's voluntary if we support their service or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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02-04-2016, 12:58 AMColorfulThose loyalty "rewards" aren't a pay to us back with freebies for being loyal, they're a way to keep people subscribing even when they're not interested in the game. "Oh, it's only $15 a month... if I unsub I might be even more behind in these reward." (source: myself and my friends, friends of friends, past experiences with MMOs that use a similar system, and so on).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
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02-04-2016, 01:15 AMJynx
Consumer apathy over micro transaction has been overwhelmed in the clash of clans generation of gamers.
It's become a industry norm. I remember when companies got lambasted over micro transactions like horse armor.
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02-04-2016, 01:25 AMKaiser-AceCommunism? Starting to think, like fascism, most people don't know what it means. They make the item, they chose its price, and chose how they sell it. Your choice is to buy it or not buy it. That my friend is Capitalism in a nutshell. If it made no money it wouldn't be done. If it makes a lot of money it gets more/continued support. The Mog Station falls into the later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
That is easily as backwards as the communism comment considering it's the same development teams making all the items in the cash shop that make the respective ingame items. And it's not like data just autonomously assembles its self into cash shop items. The Devs have it develop it to. As far as development time they pick one of three choices after deciding "We're going to make <Insert item here>" they add it to the core game, they add it to the veteran rewards system, or they add it to the cash shop. nothing is lost in development here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
At least this cash shop doesn't sell required quest items or OP "Premium Gear" like some other MMOs. (Looking at you D&D Online)
6 of one half a dozen of the other really. They are rewards for prolonged subscriptions to act as incentives for continually subscribing long term. The fact that you unsub for about 2 months without visiting your housing plot and it getting demoed and the plot resold is the only actual punishment for unsubbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
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02-04-2016, 01:29 AMRhodkrI bolded what I don't agree with. Just because an NPC has access to certain gear doesn't mean that gear is separate from the NPC model. (Npcs don't have a need to change said gear, however I don't know what system SE has in place for their NPCs). Some artist(s) did put their time into making the pieces of gear for the other races.The way modeling works is that you can't simply hit a button and have that gear magically flip to the size for a given race. The textures on said peice would be a mess! No, some artists job was to model out the different outfits for each races body type (the different heights are probably attributed to blend shapes). So unless that artist is working for free, then SE did pay that persons salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
Now that is if the gear wasn't already in the game. Thancreds body piece is the yellow custom tunic you get from the level 5 rogue quest, just not dyable. Other bits and pieces can be found throughout the game of the other Scions, just about the only one whose gear can't be found is Minfillia. Because the gear comes from existing gear with just different ways to apply the aether scope thingy they use, that's what has me split. This won't happen again do to the new looks of the Scions but well... Most of the gear did exist, so it boiled down to some repurposing and retexturig existing gear.
This is why I actually haven't spent a dime on the cash shop. I get conflicted about things like the above, and with the items being priced as high as they are, I don't really want to spend it. ($10 for glamour enterprising players could make on their own, and $5 for minions.) To be fair hiding the retainer situation doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth either. (I've had to toss out so many pieces of 'glamour' and green dungeon gear just so I'd have space to put other things.) -
02-04-2016, 01:53 AMNominousFor one, you're making the assumption that I think everyone's going around explicitly trying to 'collect' free stuff from subscriptions and memberships. I'm just saying- there is a such thing as an extraneous offering. Something that is by every meaning of the word, 'optional'. People seem to not understand what this means when it comes to gaming. It's like people understand this concept when applied to literally anything else, like it doesn't apply to gaming (I assure you, business is business, it does).Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuRoots
And from the opposite perspective, not meeting their investors, or company's sales goals is no better. If they don't, the game could easily be considered a failure in their eyes, and then it'd be shut down. The alternative to shutting it down, would be the state it's already in but worse- not being given enough funding from SE. If they can't show SE it's worth the funding through good sales, then it just won't be funded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
This just extends to worse problems for the game overall. Less raids, less new jobs, less time to balance, or add any new content.
So really, the better option is to let the few people who want to be the 'cancer' apparently, do what they do and fund the game YOU want to play for the minimum price of entry. This is how it's always been. The few pay for the many. You can be mad all you want, but any extra money they get from things like Cash Shop go towards a better experience for you. The same way that EA has the ability to take risks on games like Mirror's Edge Catalyst (of which the original sold TERRIBLY) because of all the money the 'cancer' made them. -
02-04-2016, 02:14 AMNalienYeah, it's working real great for WoW. Record subscriber losses, but what's that? They're still making plenty of money off it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
Having 100k subscribers, all paying 15$ a month, or having 50k subscribers, paying the same 15$ a month, but also willing to pay 15$ frequently in the cash shop? Which is better?
From a corporate stand point, the later. From a players standpoint though?
In theory. In practice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
So far we've gotten EU servers. That's... About it? Perhaps the cash shop has finally afforded them a solution to housing come 3.3, but I wont hold my breath. Meanwhile the content they have been delivering has begun to be unimpressive, to say the least. We've had two major delays, back to back (Heavenswards release, and 3.1 because apparently SE can't schedule vacation time properly). We've had crap like Lords of Verminion and Diadem. People are starting to wake up and realize how recycled much of the games content is.
What better experience has the cash shop afforded me exactly? What's the major difference between Pharos Sirius (Hard) and the original Pharos Sirius? How is Diadem any better than Hunts? How much old content is actually improved upon, rather than just recycled? They seriously need to take that cash shop money, and hire some people with a damned sense of how to design content, because content has taken a step back, not forwards, or at best it has stagnated.
Ironically, PvP is where I perhaps see the most improvement in this game... Glad I enjoy PvP... Everywhere else though? They've streamlined content down to a fine art, rather than innovating or trying new things... The difference between Sastasha and Antitower? The mobs I burn down and the box I'm playing in. They haven't improved dungeons or done anything different with them. The same, to an extend, goes for Trials and Raids. When they do try to innovate, there is clearly an utter lack of any attempt at such a thing... Diadem is just a pretty box to play in. They just slapped Hunts in there (despite Hunts questionable popularity) and threw Gathering on top and called it a day, despite the obvious issues a choice like that presents (gatherers not contributing but casting lot on gear, for example). There was no attempt to work Hunts differently (and some how they're surprised when groups teamed up in Diadem in the same way they team up for Hunts...), there was no attempt to work gathering into the actual event in any meaningful way (slap temporary items to help in combat in the chests gatherers dig up, that ones free, SE). Props to the guys that made the zone and enemies, but the guys that made the event messed up. Lets not forget Relics, too... Oh look, despite extra money from the cash shop and months of subscription fees, we get... Pretty much a condensed version of the Zodiac weapon grind with the only new piece of content being the weapons themselves...
In a recent interview Yoshida mentioned how they're perhaps looking to hire content designers, and I hope to God they do, because the game really needs it at this point... The current guys putting this stuff together are just recycling the same tired ideas... Guys working on PvP are at least listening to the community and addressing some (though sadly not all) of the concerns of the PvP community. On the PvE side we're just getting the same stuff over and over, despite consistent complaints over the stuff... They clearly need some new blood coming up with ideas, because right now it seems they're going "People didn't like Atma... Oh well, lets give them Atma again!". -
02-04-2016, 02:35 AMNominousIt's a slippery slope. I don't like that FFXIV has a Cash Shop for that one specific reason. However, they made a pretty particular stance on it, because they know that. And I believe the only reason WoW does stay alive is because of it's veterans AND Cash Shop, not current loyal subscribers. They have millions of veterans that will buy an expansion to see how it is, and buy these level up tickets in the Cash Shop so they can skip grind, and buy these new mounts they missed, etc etc. It's the veteran whales that keep it alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
XI would have been the better example, as it stayed alive without one for years, even AFTER XIV. However, development costs are not nearly as high for new areas/raids, and a lot of the newer stuff in the game was just balance changes/ more levels to put into things.
And as to your other question, Cash Shop isn't a 1:1, "You give us this you get this". It's one of those things where investors and SE probably have a bigger say in. As an exaggeration, if they see x game makes 0 dollars, they can't exactly make a good argument for why it deserves any more money. So as a rough rule, not exact, Cash Shop is only a benefit, because the more money they can rake in from loose ends, the more they can prove the game is worth more than SE is giving it. That's not to say the player should have to foot the bill for this, but it is to say that sometimes the ends justify the means. Especially true when they've shown us that despite having a Cash Shop, they'd barely add many outfits to it, while adding tons through crafting recipes, tomes, and other means. -
02-04-2016, 02:49 AMColorfulTell me about it, but this forum isn't even close to being the worst in that regard. Take 5 minutes to read the Black Desert forums, people are literally defending potentional pay to win practices and costumes with beneficial stats. Defending the fact that the $100 pack doesn't give you all exclusive costumes (you get to pick one, even though they're identical). Why? To sell you other costumes for that 10% EXP bonus. People treat companies like they're besties when in reality they have one goal in mind, and that's to get to your wallet. Yoshida may have the best intentions in the world for his fans, but the investors don't. Why needlessly defend these practices? Yeah, I used to do it but I've changed for the better I'd like to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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02-04-2016, 02:52 AMNalienMy concern is that this isn't happening. I get the sense SE is taking the majority of profits from XIV, and investing them elsewhere. One wonders where they got the money to finally dust off VII...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
That makes sense, of course, but SE really needs to invest in XIV more IMO. The music, lore and world they've created are truly great, but the way stuff is being delivered to us at this point... It leaves something to be desired... The game is great, but the gameplay is lacking...
Hopefully Yoshida was serious when he said they were looking to hire new content designers, and profits from XIV can convince SE to invest in that sort of thing, but I'll believe it when I see it... Once bitten, twice shy, when they announced Diadem that is what I was hoping for, a sign that they're doing something differently at last, instead I got the same tired Hunt formula, followed up by Anima weapons being almost a carbon copy of Zodiacs quest objectives... When I see stuff like that alongside the cash shop, it goes from a harmless little bonus to a deadly tumor. If they want to continue justifying the cash shop, they're going to have to start showing me the benefits, because right now all I see is the EU server... -
02-04-2016, 02:54 AMFelis
Just make them specialist recipes
Consumism =/= CommunismQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace
Communism? Starting to think, like fascism, most people don't know what it means. They make the item, they chose its price, and chose how they sell it. Your choice is to buy it or not buy it. That my friend is Capitalism in a nutshell. If it made no money it wouldn't be done. If it makes a lot of money it gets more/continued support. The Mog Station falls into the later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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02-04-2016, 03:02 AMKaiser-AceThe thing is, that's all investors. They see "Oh, since we've got this new project that we'll drag out to make billions, lets take some of the spare millions of Tabata, Nomura, and Yoshida's budgets so we can fund this stupidly over priced idea that's probably going to be poorly received anyway." And all the dev teams can do is silently weep as their budgets are drained with out any say in the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
The Devs are as much slaves to the corporate big wigs as we are. At least Yoshida's team seems to view us as more than just bank accounts and credit card numbers. -
02-04-2016, 04:48 AMKaiser-AceI swear that said Communism when I read it. I apologize then. Haven't slept in almost 20 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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02-04-2016, 05:05 AMAshkendorI think you mean consumerism. I don't think you're qualified to diagnose someone's mental condition, in any case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
I haven't seen a single "bad sign" that the cash shop is moving beyond cosmetic items.Quote:
Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support".
Do you have an example? Just one would do. I'll wait.
Indulging in ad hominem attacks doesn't make you right. It just makes you a jerk.Quote:
Stop it. You are bad. Microtransactions are bad. Cash Shops are bad.
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02-04-2016, 05:52 AMTouchandFeel
So on the topic of the OP, you should be able to put together a glamour pretty close to that with stuff in the game.
Upgraded ESO DRG helm (so you can dye it to match) and maybe the Wild Rose set or Odin set. Not exact but it may suffice. -
02-04-2016, 06:24 AMTheUltimateSephQuote:
Originally Posted by TouchandFeel
I'll try that for now. The one thing I hate about the eso helm though is how you can't take off the bottom part that covers the mouth without also moving the part at the top so it doesn't cover the eyes anymore. :( -
02-04-2016, 07:42 AMNominousIt doesn't make you any better or worse to have an opinion on either side of this. There's just a popular opinion and an unpopular one. You're just saying that you'd like to think that now you're on the side of the popular opinion- that of the vocal minority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
And for what it's worth, really... neither side is fully justified. Folks who hate these practices would like to think it's the 'right' side of history. What I perceive it as, is a person who doesn't understand that everything costs money and time. And for others, I just think they have a chip on their shoulder and wouldn't be pleased with anything a company does. I find that a lot of these people tend to think companies are inherently evil and want nothing but to hurt you, and aren't willing to hear any reason.
People on the other side tend to be a bit less caustic, which is refreshing, however they can be a bit overzealous. Some of these folks will literally throw away a life savings to buy any and everything they offer because, frankly, it doesn't break their bank.
Neither side is right or wrong, but I think it pays off to be more understanding in the end. I totally get why you wouldn't want to buy these things, but why be angry with a person who does? They aren't solely (or collectively) to blame for SE getting out of control, if it happens. -
02-04-2016, 09:52 AMErikMynhier
I love going through threads like this and do a lodestone search of every person who complains or calls the cash shop a "cancer" and the like. I love seeing how many of these nay sayers have mogstation minions and mounts.
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02-04-2016, 09:56 AMNominousCrazy, right? I've got like, nothing from the Cash Shop, but here I am trying to tell people it isn't all that bad. Then I get called a white knight because I'm reasonable :(.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErikMynhier
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02-04-2016, 10:20 AMAlphaFox
Just because I have items from the Mogshop doesn't mean I like the idea of it all being put in. I'd much rather everything be in the game and able to be got even if its a massive grind such as Fenrir or X amount of times doing something. However when I see everyone throw in and say "I want ___, I'll pay!" That just means they can stop putting in the extra work and just keep tossing it in the station. Hell, won't shock me if they get the wild hair to throw relic items inside and say "Sure, you can grind....or you can pay us to get your relic now!" Just remember, its not Pay 2 win if you can get it yourself.
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02-04-2016, 10:22 AMJynxCalling stuff you get in a subscription game a "Freebie" is far from a reasonable stance on the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
Your defence of anti consumer practices may be questionable but it's not "White knighting" some of it's ground in logic shaky as it may be. Much like the more reasonable arguments against it tend to get people called greedy or people who just hate on everything the "Evil company" does.
Your just as bad as the people your claiming to be attacked by. -
02-04-2016, 11:05 AMColorfulYou're definitely right that no side is entirely correct, but I've seen many games with a lot of innovation fail due to greed, namely ArcheAge. Hurts to say that name at this point, they pulled a complete bait and switch from the Alpha, ran away with everyone's money and now Trion's reputation has dropped like a rock. Once known as a publisher that makes fair games that has seen moderate success, now known as a money grubbing company set to to make a quick buck whenever possible. How can anyone defend that? There's no longer a real community to play with in ArcheAge, world first raiders are leaving in droves at this point and yet people claim that Trion is doing nothing wrong. This isn't a one case kind of deal, it's done by the majority of publishers that aren't closely tied to the game, even China's FFXIV is a little sketchy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
FFXIV is relatively light on the monetization, the majority of items are items that took little effort to implement (which is a good thing, as it doesn't detract from development time) and if subscription numbers drop in a content lull I can see why they would release something like Minfilia's set to make up for that loss in profits. I just can't take the side of people claiming that implementing completely new sets into the cash shop, those should be earned from events, the Gold Saucer, or be veteran rewards. Nor can I take the defense of people defending pay to win, you can argue that no side is right or wrong, but when a game loses 90% of its population there's a clear answer as to whether that decision was good or bad for the game. I feel as if I'm deviating a little from FFXIV's cash shop, but w/e. I don't think we'll go pay to win, but I do not want to see completely original cosmetics in the cash shop. I might as well pack my bags and take leave to a buy to play MMO at that point, no? -
02-04-2016, 11:29 AMRyuRootsWhat? You clearly don't understand what you're reading since I implied nothing of the sort. I'm saying that many people play specifically for glamours and such. What I take issue with is describing what you pay for every month as "free", because it really isn't. We're not playing a free-to-play game, we're playing a game where you fork over cash every month. This line of logic might work for some single-player games where you buy it once and then the devs churn out extra stuff that you can buy if you're interested in. That's not what's happening here. It's chunks and pieces that easily could and should be in the game that are being chopped up and sold piecemeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nominous
Funny thing is that I actually don't have anything against people that use it, since I have. Not because I like it, but I just gave up. Certain things I want and I know nothing is gonna change the system we have, so screw it. I've gotten a fair number of gifts from friends from the shop too so eh. Do what you want with your own money, but don't try to pretend that this is somehow a good or reasonable state of affairs when you don't seem to be aware that "optional content" as you put it, was at one time something you got WITH your purchase, not in addition to it.