I sure do hope they release recipes for the gathering gear at some point.

Still don't have any of my gatherers with the job-specific gear since you have to spend weeks of valuable red scrips on them. It's a bit ridiculous you still can't make crafted versions of these yet, it also effects the materia market since gathering materia becomes useless for those who got the 180s...

What gives, SE?

Not all of them are expensive. The boots and pants are like 7 tokens each, which is less than the 9 capped tokens per week. However, I do wish the gathering tokens weren't needed for both favors AND gear, because that's just frustrating.

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Originally Posted by OoglieBooglie

Not all of them are expensive. The boots and pants are like 7 tokens each, which is less than the 9 capped tokens per week. However, I do wish the gathering tokens weren't needed for both favors AND gear, because that's just frustrating.

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Yeah, that's why I'm a bit miffed about it. Even just those 7 can equal out to getting enough mats for up to 12 astral silk (or whatever mat), maybe even more if RNG is kind.

I just don't see why they don't let you craft lower versions of this gear, it's kinda silly..

Either that, or alternative gathering gear added, or the red scrips being uncapped. Some or all of those things will happen soon I am sure. We are very near the end of the current progression cycle now... 3.2 is a raised item level patch so a large amount of additions and adjustments are about to happen.

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Still don't have any of my gatherers with the job-specific gear since you have to spend weeks of valuable red scrips on them. It's a bit ridiculous you still can't make crafted versions of these yet, it also effects the materia market since gathering materia becomes useless for those who got the 180s...

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Who cares? Get the main hand, put in a few (as in no pentamelds necessary, meld the guaranteed slots + 1 overmeld) materia in your chimaera gear and whoop you have the stats for legendary node HQ.

Since I did that, I honestly don't know what to do with my scripts now, as I clearly no longer need the specific gear. Oo

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Who cares? Get the main hand, put in a few (as in no pentamelds necessary, meld the guaranteed slots + 1 overmeld) materia in your chimaera gear and whoop you have the stats for legendary node HQ.

Since I did that, I honestly don't know what to do with my scripts now, as I clearly no longer need the specific gear. Oo

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Clearly I care, or I wouldn't have made the thread. :P

I want the gear because it's going to be required at some point (as it always is) and it looks cool, but I can't justify giving up favors for those precious mats.
Just giving up 3 weeks of gathering scrips for that main hand is way too much...that's millions and millions of lost income, or even a full set of crafted 170s for a crafter of my choice. Heck, more than a full set if I do it right..

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I want the gear because it's going to be required at some point (as it always is) and it looks cool, but I can't justify giving up favors for those precious mats.
Just giving up 3 weeks of gathering scrips for that main hand is way too much...that's millions and millions of lost income, or even a full set of crafted 170s for a crafter of my choice. Heck, more than a full set if I do it right..

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That right there indicates your choice.

You cannot justify giving up the favors, and all the income/gear they represent, for the gathering i180. Personally, as one who has never been rich, I started saving for the gathering i180 from the get go. Thursday will see my having all three gathering classes in full i180, and will see me finally start on Favors in order to craft the crafting and gathering i170 gear.

PErsonally, I believe in future-proofing, but you value the Gil more highly than I do. To each his own.

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That right there indicates your choice.

You cannot justify giving up the favors, and all the income/gear they represent, for the gathering i180. Personally, as one who has never been rich, I started saving for the gathering i180 from the get go. Thursday will see my having all three gathering classes in full i180, and will see me finally start on Favors in order to craft the crafting and gathering i170 gear.

PErsonally, I believe in future-proofing, but you value the Gil more highly than I do. To each his own.

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Point being, it shouldn't be a 'choice'. Doesn't have to do with gil (even if that is a nice perk), as you will be way better 'future proofed' if you gear your crafters first...8 crafters will obviously net you more reward than 3 gatherers, especially when you can just buy anything gatherers can get...why should I have to choose between gearing my gatherers or gearing my crafters? The crafters are obviously way more valuable.

We've always been able to craft gatherer gear, I just don't see justification as to why we can't craft it this time.

I'm honestly kinda shocked I'm getting so much backlash on this. :S You'd think people would want more than one option to gear.

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why should I have to choose between gearing my gatherers or gearing my crafters?

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This perfectly sums up my dilemma at the moment.

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This perfectly sums up my dilemma at the moment.

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Pretty much, that's what I tried to get across in the first post. Maybe I worded it badly. >_>

I don't know, personally I like not having to rely on melds and crafting to gather efficiently (except for accessories but that'll never change we all know that).

Now that I have my gearing out of the way, I'm not even sure what to do with my red scrips. I suppose I could gather favors for others. Hm.

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I don't know, personally I like not having to rely on melds and crafting to gather efficiently (except for accessories but that'll never change we all know that).

Now that I have my gearing out of the way, I'm not even sure what to do with my red scrips. I suppose I could gather favors for others. Hm.

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That is generally the best use of them, yeah. For the same amount of red scrips as the gatherer main hand you could get every crafting body piece made almost, it's a bit ridiculous (though that does require other materials as well).

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That is generally the best use of them, yeah. For the same amount of red scrips as the gatherer main hand you could get every crafting body piece made almost, it's a bit ridiculous (though that does require other materials as well).

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Well I mean to be fair it's the ONLY use for them I have now. I have all the red scrip gathering gear now. Hope the patch brings something else to do with them.

Though, I had my GSM chest made. It was hard, and expensive...it would've been expensive even if I had sacrificed some of my gathering scrips. Those "other materials" are...a bit steep.

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why should I have to choose between gearing my gatherers or gearing my crafters?

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You don't?
As I already said: you don't immediately need the gear to gather the mats. So Equip your crafters first. Once you have done that, there is more than enough time to "future proof" you gatherers.

Though lets be honest here: SE WILL design it in a way that you WILL grind gear again in 3.2 or 3.3, depending on when they release the "next tier" of items. So the term "future proof" is on shaky ground at best.

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I don't know, personally I like not having to rely on melds and crafting to gather efficiently (except for accessories but that'll never change we all know that).

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Agreed. I HATE overmelds past slot 1 @ 35% (even that can be annoying). Such a moronic and frustrating design. I just hate to see all my time and effort wasted because RNG says "F*** YOU PLAYER!"

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You don't?
As I already said: you don't immediately need the gear to gather the mats. So Equip your crafters first. Once you have done that, there is more than enough time to "future proof" you gatherers.

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Considering it takes 80 Rowena's Tokens (Red Gatherer's Scrips), which takes 4000 Red Gatherer's Scrips, which takes 9 weeks (you'll have an extra 50 scrips) for one gathering class, I can understand his frustration on having to put it off. Especially if he wants to do that for all three gatherers with no option to get around the gating.

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Considering it takes 80 Rowena's Tokens (Red Gatherer's Scrips), which takes 4000 Red Gatherer's Scrips, which takes 9 weeks (you'll have an extra 50 scrips) for one gathering class, I can understand his frustration on having to put it off. Especially if he wants to do that for all three gatherers with no option to get around the gating.

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I could understand his frustration if the gear was needed in order to collect stuff and be productive, absolutely.
But it isn't.
So it's basically just some pretty set he wants to have for kinks and stuff (or completionist OCD) so... not really a problem if it takes a few weeks.

I'd love to have all the 180 gear for all my crafters too... but I know that it isn't a realistic goal.

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I could understand his frustration if the gear was needed in order to collect stuff and be productive, absolutely.
But it isn't.
So it's basically just some pretty set he wants to have for kinks and stuff (or completionist OCD) so... not really a problem if it takes a few weeks.

I'd love to have all the 180 gear for all my crafters too... but I know that it isn't a realistic goal.

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You speak fair points, but again I must ask, why? Why should I have to get this 180 set to gear the gatherers? Especially when, if they ever DO make a 170 set, the 170 set will be better and cost less resources?

It's just so weird that crafters have two options, when gatherers only have one...

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It's just so weird that crafters have two options, when gatherers only have one...

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With the blue and red gathering scrip gear, SE made gatherers relatively independent of crafters. You can progress to gathering from every node in the game using only vendor gear, blue scrip gear, and red scrip gear for your left side and offhand.

You need crafted jewelry to get a decent amount of GP of course.

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With the blue and red gathering scrip gear, SE made gatherers relatively independent of crafters. You can progress to gathering from every node in the game using only vendor gear, blue scrip gear, and red scrip gear for your left side and offhand.

You need crafted jewelry to get a decent amount of GP of course.

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I guess that makes sense, if that was the intent.

I guess the real problem here lies in needing gathering scrips for favors. :/

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You speak fair points, but again I must ask, why? Why should I have to get this 180 set to gear the gatherers? Especially when, if they ever DO make a 170 set, the 170 set will be better and cost less resources?

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i170 will be better if you meld it with TV materia. I'd hardly call that "costing less resources", given the horrible RNG involved. Oo

I agree that "no option" is awkward, esp considering that with a few gentle melds in your chimaera gear, you don't even need the blue stuff past the main hand.

And yes: Favors are a mess I certainly won't touch. At least not until red scripts become uncapped.

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i170 will be better if you meld it with TV materia. I'd hardly call that "costing less resources", given the horrible RNG involved. Oo

I agree that "no option" is awkward, esp considering that with a few gentle melds in your chimaera gear, you don't even need the blue stuff past the main hand.

And yes: Favors are a mess I certainly won't touch. At least not until red scripts become uncapped.

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You actually only need grade Vs for the body and the main hand (on the 170 crafters at least), the rest can be done without more or less. Especially the pieces that focus on control like the hats, since control goes up slower with item level than craftsmanship does, you can make those better just with 2 IVs. But other than that you're definitely right on your points, it's very frustrating.

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Not all of them are expensive. The boots and pants are like 7 tokens each, which is less than the 9 capped tokens per week. However, I do wish the gathering tokens weren't needed for both favors AND gear, because that's just frustrating.

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yea this really annoyed me. I get that it extends the time to gear up but its poor implemation imo

one solution in the short terms can be remove red script cap. :)

In my case i did start gearing my Weaver in red script...
Then try some favor and immediatly regret my 180 gear...

It cost à lot less to craft the 170 which is fine even without meld

For the gather i got 1 main hand and I fully meld the white set...
And wait for the 3.2 for the crafted set !

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one solution in the short terms can be remove red script cap. :)

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I do not see that happening, for same reason they will never remove cap from highest tier tomes. Would be nice if they increased it a bit though :)

Yeah, red scrip cap won't and shouldn't be removed. If it was I'd have all the crafter gear in a day...as would many others.

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Yeah, red scrip cap won't and shouldn't be removed. If it was I'd have all the crafter gear in a day...as would many others.

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in a day? not really. in a week? most definitely.

would be nice though if thay raised it a little. not saying like 450>700 just maybe 450>500 so we can get an even 10 a week instead of taunting us with an uneven 9 x-x

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in a day? not really. in a week? most definitely.

would be nice though if thay raised it a little. not saying like 450>700 just maybe 450>500 so we can get an even 10 a week instead of taunting us with an uneven 9 x-x

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I can mass produce red scrip turn ins, just capping takes me like 30 minutes. It wouldn't take long. :P

But yeah, a small raise would be cool.

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I can mass produce red scrip turn ins, just capping takes me like 30 minutes. It wouldn't take long. :P

But yeah, a small raise would be cool.

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ow you ment crafting scrip's. well then ya you probly could