Is it possible to fit 3 step mudra completely between GCDs?

I'm using WTFast and still end up clipping the GCD by about a quarter second. Is this inevitable, or should I simply not consider playing NIN at 60?

The amount of DPS you lose via a slight GCD clip is not worth quitting a class over.

Ninja at 60 use an ability they get earlier (Armor crush) to refresh huton, meaning you're only doing 1 3-mudra ninjutsu every 60 or so seconds for Suiton. Otherwise you're doubling up on Raiton, which is a 2-mudra and should be easily done without clipping.

You're going to clip regardless. You activate a skill on GCD, you wait for animation of skill (could be .5 seconds) and now you have (assuming 2.0 GCD) 1.5 seconds to get in 3 mudras and activation button. Even in the best case (no animation delay, which is never) you have to have .4 delay between each skill to reach the next GCD without clipping.

You will always clip with 3 step mudras regardless of ping if you have huton up, maybe even without. Your only concern should be if you are severely clipping raiton and even then, just shuriken.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

The amount of DPS you lose via a slight GCD clip is not worth quitting a class over.

Ninja at 60 use an ability they get earlier (Armor crush) to refresh huton, meaning you're only doing 1 3-mudra ninjutsu every 60 or so seconds for Suiton. Otherwise you're doubling up on Raiton, which is a 2-mudra and should be easily done without clipping.

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...unless you're using Kass+Doton :)

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

...unless you're using Kass+Doton :)

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Why would you ever use Doton over Raiton?

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Why would you ever use Doton over Raiton?

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If you have 2 targets that will live for 24 seconds, Doton is better. At 3 targets, Doton needs 15 seconds to be better, and at 4-5 targets, it needs 12 seconds to be better.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

If you have 2 targets that will live for 24 seconds, Doton is better. At 3 targets, Doton needs 15 seconds to be better, and at 4-5 targets, it needs 12 seconds to be better.

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Was talking about fights that dps matter, like in raids...

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Was talking about fights that dps matter, like in raids...

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There are, have been, and will be raids with long-living adds...

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Was talking about fights that dps matter, like in raids...

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Off the top of my head, T4, T10, T13, and AS2 are all raid-level fights where Doton is situationally more useful than Raiton during various phases. Doton is also useful in T6, T7, and T11 for the pre-boss sections.

The only thing you can do to avoid clip is to open with suiton on pull, and hold the buff while you set up for the TA itself. That avoids 1 single clip. You may be able to do the same after an invulnerable or add phase as well, with good timing. Other than that, don't worry about the clip. TA is WAY more valuable than a half second of lost personal DPS.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

Off the top of my head, T4, T10, T13, and AS2 are all raid-level fights where Doton is situationally more useful than Raiton during various phases. Doton is also useful in T6, T7, and T11 for the pre-boss sections.

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Not to mention that Kass + Doton will cause every tick of the dot to crit, making it incredibly powerful.

Dervy did a quick frame-by-frame of some mudras after the mudra lag fix
https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/2015/...a-mudra-fixed/

It still clips, but barely.

Small offtopic, but UBERHAXED from WKC ?

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Originally Posted by Choko_TS

Small offtopic, but UBERHAXED from WKC ?

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Yes, why do you ask?

While I'm here, am I correct to assume that if I'm grouped with a WAR, I don't have to use Dancing Edge? The reason I ask is that I only display my own debuffs on the enemy, so I kinda have to trust every WAR that I come across to use Eye instead of Path.

After the nin patch, only 3 step mudras should be clipping to a point that hurt your dps in any relevant way. Even if that's the case, you only really need to use suiton 95% of the time you use 3 steps.

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Originally Posted by pushin_tin

While I'm here, am I correct to assume that if I'm grouped with a WAR, I don't have to use Dancing Edge? The reason I ask is that I only display my own debuffs on the enemy, so I kinda have to trust every WAR that I come across to use Eye instead of Path.

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only trust your static WARs until proven otherwise in DFs, my experience has been most DF Warriors dont keep it up fulltime, so you might as well do it, unless they show they can do it, then you can ixnay the rest of the instance, but if your Raid WAR knows how to play then you shouldnt have to worry about it there.

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Originally Posted by pushin_tin

While I'm here, am I correct to assume that if I'm grouped with a WAR, I don't have to use Dancing Edge? The reason I ask is that I only display my own debuffs on the enemy, so I kinda have to trust every WAR that I come across to use Eye instead of Path.

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You can probably trust that if a warrior is using str accs in any way, they'll be using storms eye as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Yes, why do you ask?

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just being curious x.o

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Why would you ever use Doton over Raiton?

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I'm late, but... I like that Kass can crit on each of Doton's tick.

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While I'm here, am I correct to assume that if I'm grouped with a WAR, I don't have to use Dancing Edge? The reason I ask is that I only display my own debuffs on the enemy, so I kinda have to trust every WAR that I come across to use Eye instead of Path.

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While that is correct, I sometimes start with Dancing Edge if the WAR is MT. This applies the slashing debuff at the start while allowing the WAR to gain some Enmity from Butcher's Block.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

I'm late, but... I like that Kass can crit on each of Doton's tick.

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But you turned 240 potency into 360. Raiton does that without the critical, without requiring the boss stays in the whole time, or lives the duration of the dot.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

But you turned 240 potency into 360. Raiton does that without the critical, without requiring the boss stays in the whole time, or lives the duration of the dot.

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I don't think anyone is debating that Doton is better than Raiton in single target scenarios. Doton, especially with Kassatsu, has its uses under AoE conditions.

So the OPs question has been answered right?