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    Ac Ungarmax
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    Sargatanas
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    Mage blanc Lv 80

    Is it possible to fit 3 step mudra completely between GCDs?

    I'm using WTFast and still end up clipping the GCD by about a quarter second. Is this inevitable, or should I simply not consider playing NIN at 60?
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    Jace Ossura
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    Orfèvre Lv 100
    The amount of DPS you lose via a slight GCD clip is not worth quitting a class over.

    Ninja at 60 use an ability they get earlier (Armor crush) to refresh huton, meaning you're only doing 1 3-mudra ninjutsu every 60 or so seconds for Suiton. Otherwise you're doubling up on Raiton, which is a 2-mudra and should be easily done without clipping.
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    Seraph Khalid
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    Faerie
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    Invocateur Lv 60
    You're going to clip regardless. You activate a skill on GCD, you wait for animation of skill (could be .5 seconds) and now you have (assuming 2.0 GCD) 1.5 seconds to get in 3 mudras and activation button. Even in the best case (no animation delay, which is never) you have to have .4 delay between each skill to reach the next GCD without clipping.
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  4. #4
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    Ephier Samoht
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    Ultros
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    You will always clip with 3 step mudras regardless of ping if you have huton up, maybe even without. Your only concern should be if you are severely clipping raiton and even then, just shuriken.
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    Jim Berry
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    Malboro
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Citation Envoyé par Kabooa Voir le message
    The amount of DPS you lose via a slight GCD clip is not worth quitting a class over.

    Ninja at 60 use an ability they get earlier (Armor crush) to refresh huton, meaning you're only doing 1 3-mudra ninjutsu every 60 or so seconds for Suiton. Otherwise you're doubling up on Raiton, which is a 2-mudra and should be easily done without clipping.
    ...unless you're using Kass+Doton
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    Citation Envoyé par Nektulos-Tuor Voir le message
    My post reduces more damage then parry does.
    {http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/3089119/}

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    Seraph Khalid
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    Citation Envoyé par Jim_Berry Voir le message
    ...unless you're using Kass+Doton
    Why would you ever use Doton over Raiton?
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  7. #7
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Faucheur Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par UBERHAXED Voir le message
    Why would you ever use Doton over Raiton?
    If you have 2 targets that will live for 24 seconds, Doton is better. At 3 targets, Doton needs 15 seconds to be better, and at 4-5 targets, it needs 12 seconds to be better.
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  8. #8
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    Seraph Khalid
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    Citation Envoyé par Alahra Voir le message
    If you have 2 targets that will live for 24 seconds, Doton is better. At 3 targets, Doton needs 15 seconds to be better, and at 4-5 targets, it needs 12 seconds to be better.
    Was talking about fights that dps matter, like in raids...
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  9. #9
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    Tsilyi L'sombra
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    Behemoth
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Citation Envoyé par UBERHAXED Voir le message
    Was talking about fights that dps matter, like in raids...
    There are, have been, and will be raids with long-living adds...
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  10. #10
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Faucheur Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par UBERHAXED Voir le message
    Was talking about fights that dps matter, like in raids...
    Off the top of my head, T4, T10, T13, and AS2 are all raid-level fights where Doton is situationally more useful than Raiton during various phases. Doton is also useful in T6, T7, and T11 for the pre-boss sections.
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