A3s Solo Tank \o/ [Lich][DSIS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpA4utpB_Wg

Our Pld used 3 vit pieces/2 melds to get his HP to these insane lvls and managed the enmity to stay barely above the DRG, Nin used shadewalker on DRG aswell and smokescreened the WHM.

Drg had to cross class skull sunder to get the hand after split and just acted as a normal tank afterwards.

In Addphase we sacrficed 2 dps to tethers, last phase is basically the same as normal just without tank swaps

awesome :) nice to see a PLD too

Grats and all, but if you have to sacrifice 2 dps to deal with a mechanic, you might as well have the second tank.

Good job to you and your team. That was fun to watch and I love when the community creates challenges for themselves to overcome and have fun with.

Nice Job guys u rock !

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Originally Posted by zcrash970

Grats and all, but if you have to sacrifice 2 dps to deal with a mechanic, you might as well have the second tank.

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It's less about the efficiency and more about a new way to go about things. No need to rain on their achievement.

Is skull sunder more aggro than just drg spamming skills?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Is skull sunder more aggro than just drg spamming skills?

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Yeah it has an enmity multiplire attached.

Anyway congratulations!

Eh, couldn't the MNK live through the DPS add-phase tether? Fist of Earth + SS + Adlo + Apocatastasis + i210 left side with some VIT right sides.

In fact, I don't know why you used a DRG as the tank replacement and not MNK. The MNK also has MRD CC skills, has fists of earth, and doesn't have an enmity dump.

Inb4 "DRG too OP, can Tank and high DPS, nerf pls"
also Inb4 "PLD too OP, can solo tank A3S, nerf pls"

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Originally Posted by Brian_

Eh, couldn't the MNK live through the DPS add-phase tether? Fist of Earth + SS + Adlo + Apocatastasis + i210 left side with some VIT right sides.

In fact, I don't know why you used a DRG as the tank replacement and not MNK. The MNK also has MRD CC skills, has fists of earth, and doesn't have an enmity dump.

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Monks have garbage vitality and take a much higher DPS loss when forced to tank. With some fairly fanatic healing, you could legitimately keep Blood for Blood up on a Dragoon due to its later buff. You can't on a monk.

Ok im gonna crash the party, not really solo tanking if a Dps has to off tank a mechanic...and tbh you could still bring a Warrior along, they put out dare i say more DPS then a Ninja in their new dps stance, in fact Dps war is pretty dam good.

Again its not solo if you need a dps to off tank, if you wanna call it true solo the tank needs to take all the mechanics.

Just saying.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Ok im gonna crash the party, not really solo tanking if a Dps has to off tank a mechanic...and tbh you could still bring a Warrior along, they put out dare i say more DPS then a Ninja in their new dps stance, in fact Dps war is pretty dam good.

Again its not solo if you need a dps to off tank, if you wanna call it true solo the tank needs to take all the mechanics.

Just saying.

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You're reading way too much into the phrase 'solo tank' there, chief. It just means you have one tank in the party.

Next thing you're gonna tell us is that SCH can't technically solo heal unless they dismiss their fairy.

If your going to brag about solo tanking, then yes ill be picky because just claiming solo tank for only having 1 tank class is rubbish you can do that with any fight and then claim solo tank we are the best, as for the sch thing any idiot knows the fairy + sch heal pretty much equates to a Cure 2, and the fairy is about 40% of the healing potential for a sch, with the new HW skills sch needs the fairy more then ever.

Anyways A3s wont really be one where u can solo tank, better to have the warrior as well they do still crank out about the same dps as a monk with stre items equipped while having 20k+ hp as a buffer. A full Vit paladin who barely kept enmity is not efficient and id rather people didnt get the mind set of we should be using only 1 tank because X did it.

Just more concerned with the mentality of raiders thinking its ok to single tank and ditch warriors and dks...


Solo tanks are great but people need to remember this is only possible with HIGH gear, the amount of times i see scrub tanks in bad gear try tank these raids is insane.

PLD too OP, can solo tank A3S, nerf pls, buff WAR.

I'm also worried about raiders mentality after reading your post Scarlet. I hope the majority here understands that this was just for fun and is not the best way to kill the boss. Yes we did have a Drg take one of the hands for about 30 seconds of the 11min long fight, because otherwise it's impossible as you stated. So yeah solo tanking meaning we brought one tank in the party.

With your logic t13 wasnt solo tank if you had a dps soak akh morrn with the tank. And a4s will never be solo tankable because a dps would have to tank the add in isolation.

If someone went into a1s with a drg tanking one of the bosses for the whole fight i would lol.

"just claiming solo tank for only having 1 tank class is rubbish you can do that with any fight and then claim solo tank we are the best"
Lol, doing any fight with 1 tank class is hard, not gonna say impossible. But thats exactly the point. And where did someone claim they are the best? You shouldn't be this mad over a game bro. Enjoy it

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Originally Posted by AmethystFoxe

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Im not trying to ruin the achievement of the OP and their raid, i just fear like with titan extreme people will suddenly get the mentality that it must be done solo tanked because X group did it..suddenly everyone starts doing it solo, this really puts more pressure on healers, also the Pally was full vit build. Now a good 95% of raiding paladins will not bother with meld gear or even bother to meld gear full stop, and getting a full set of grade 5(w/e level diadem on is) vit is a pain the in ass.

Just dont want people to get that mentality like they did with Turn 5 and Turn 9...

Scarlet is conveniently forgetting that the PLD took drainage in phase 4 as well as taking every fluid swing.

Qualifies as solo tanking to me considering you generally want a tank swap after every cascade. Good job DSIS!

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Im not trying to ruin the achievement of the OP and their raid, i just fear like with titan extreme people will suddenly get the mentality that it must be done solo tanked because X group did it..suddenly everyone starts doing it solo, this really puts more pressure on healers, also the Pally was full vit build. Now a good 95% of raiding paladins will not bother with meld gear or even bother to meld gear full stop, and getting a full set of grade 5(w/e level diadem on is) vit is a pain the in ass.

Just dont want people to get that mentality like they did with Turn 5 and Turn 9...

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I would have a bit more faith in the community. Most players reading / watching will realize with the way A3S is designed, it's more optimal to go double tank and that this was intended more of a challenge than naught.

Mechanically, Turn 5 and Turn 9 did little to encourage any double tank scenario so it became optimal to take a 5th DPS to increase kill speed. Faster kills = less healing requirement, less potential risk, etc etc.

So, I don't think you have anything to fear in this respect.

@OP - I didn't watch the video myself yet, but congrats on the achievement~ Always good to hear players stepping up to a challenge and seeing if they can complete it.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I would have a bit more faith in the community. Most players reading / watching will realize with the way A3S is designed, it's more optimal to go double tank and that this was intended more of a challenge than naught.

Mechanically, Turn 5 and Turn 9 did little to encourage any double tank scenario so it became optimal to take a 5th DPS to increase kill speed. Faster kills = less healing requirement, less potential risk, etc etc.

So, I don't think you have anything to fear in this respect.

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Well faith in the community has slipped quite a bit since certain threads have popped up. Mainly ones the have a dig at us healers but hey cant stop those ill just ignore the healer sections... Yes i know turn 5 and turn 9 didnt challenge us in any way to require 2 tanks, but A3s seems more ideal with at least the warrior, i mean having sunder on the drg really isnt ideal they could have a better skill to increase dps.

P.S On an offtopic note what was the Parser used? That looks alot better then the first one that popped up where you have to be in windowed mode.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Well faith in the community has slipped quite a bit since certain threads have popped up. Mainly ones the have a dig at us healers but hey cant stop those ill just ignore the healer sections... Yes i know turn 5 and turn 9 didnt challenge us in any way to require 2 tanks, but A3s seems more ideal with at least the warrior, i mean having sunder on the drg really isnt ideal they could have a better skill to increase dps.

P.S On an offtopic note what was the Parser used? That looks alot better then the first one that popped up where you have to be in windowed mode.

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Uhh because it's fun to try out different things ? Like why are you so against this ? It doesn't have to be ideal they wanted to have fun and challenge themselves.

I think not a lot of people do things for fun anymore.

Well done you guys :)

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Well faith in the community has slipped quite a bit since certain threads have popped up. Mainly ones the have a dig at us healers but hey cant stop those ill just ignore the healer sections... Yes i know turn 5 and turn 9 didnt challenge us in any way to require 2 tanks, but A3s seems more ideal with at least the warrior, i mean having sunder on the drg really isnt ideal they could have a better skill to increase dps.

P.S On an offtopic note what was the Parser used? That looks alot better then the first one that popped up where you have to be in windowed mode.

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Like I said, most people who are looking at this will understand A3S will most likely be optimally done with a standard setup of 2 tanks / 2 healers / 4 DPS and not a 1 tank / 2 healer / 5 DPS scenario. It was designed as a challenge and they completed it and wanted to show it off. Nothing more and nothing less. We need more people like the OP because people complain about challenge in this game and I imagine the vast majority of those people don't realize there are self-challenges they can impose to test the limits.

In terms of healer discussion, I imagine you're discussing the whole DPS-Healer dynamic. I won't get into it as I've talked that topic to death myself on various soapboxes but it'll always be a polarizing discussion in the game given the nature of game. Its best to try to ignore the stubborn stonewalls and talk with the people who are more open (even if they may disagree with you) since they won't be asinine or belligerent about it.

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Originally Posted by Sora-san

Uhh because it's fun to try out different things ? Like why are you so against this ? It doesn't have to be ideal they wanted to have fun and challenge themselves.

I think not a lot of people do things for fun anymore.

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Im not against it, just some raid groups on Lich can be pretty, well horrible about your class and raiding. Join the PF at your own peril this was my experience with Ast. No i commend the group for doing this out of the norm style raid, but im going to criticize the choice to go solo tank if it becomes the norm.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

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This guy must be tons of fun in parties.

@OP great job on that fight, its very impressive the way you handled tanking the hands with the DRG.
Its really cool seeing this off-meta approach that can be very entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

Eh, couldn't the MNK live through the DPS add-phase tether? Fist of Earth + SS + Adlo + Apocatastasis + i210 left side with some VIT right sides.

In fact, I don't know why you used a DRG as the tank replacement and not MNK. The MNK also has MRD CC skills, has fists of earth, and doesn't have an enmity dump.

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Seeing as the tether kills tanks not using cool downs, I don't think a dps with 15-16K HP will survive with lower defense, hp, and mitigation. Which BTW answers the next question; DRG has higher base HP and higher defense on their gear, making them more suited to tank enemies using physical attacks. Although in this case, to keep aggro on the add the dragoon would be doing less dps than warrior so the efficacy of the method is called in to question...

nerf t9, it requires 3 "tanks" to complete


taking the hands in a3s is nothing different than grabbing the golems in t9 und noone would ever imagine to not call it solo tanking

Was about time some one did this, great job guys.next solo tank n heal? XD

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Seeing as the tether kills tanks not using cool downs, I don't think a dps with 15-16K HP will survive with lower defense, hp, and mitigation. Which BTW answers the next question; DRG has higher base HP and higher defense on their gear, making them more suited to tank enemies using physical attacks. Although in this case, to keep aggro on the add the dragoon would be doing less dps than warrior so the efficacy of the method is called in to question...

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This was my whole point, sure its fun to try Solo tank, but we must remeber its not always the best way to do things, sometimes a warrior offtank is a lot better and now SE gave Warriors some decent DPS they can be a DPS/offtank just be stance switching, no need to bring 5 dps and a Pally..

As long as people remember that soloing fights is just for pure fun and should never be enforced like its law then everyone will be happy, its when its enforced like its a law then it becomes horrible.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Seeing as the tether kills tanks not using cool downs, I don't think a dps with 15-16K HP will survive with lower defense, hp, and mitigation. Which BTW answers the next question; DRG has higher base HP and higher defense on their gear, making them more suited to tank enemies using physical attacks. Although in this case, to keep aggro on the add the dragoon would be doing less dps than warrior so the efficacy of the method is called in to question...

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Tanks can already take the tether with just an adlo and apocatastasis. If you throw in fists of earth and stoneskin with a few VIT right sides, I'd actually be surprised if the MNK didn't live through it.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Im not against it, just some raid groups on Lich can be pretty, well horrible about your class and raiding. Join the PF at your own peril this was my experience with Ast. No i commend the group for doing this out of the norm style raid, but im going to criticize the choice to go solo tank if it becomes the norm.

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Pretty sure they did it for the challenge and it's not going to be the new meta. Also, this forum doesn't have anything to do with pf on Lich so why are you bringing that up ?

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Originally Posted by Sora-san

Pretty sure they did it for the challenge and it's not going to be the new meta. Also, this forum doesn't have anything to do with pf on Lich so why are you bringing that up ?

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Just looking for an excuse to rain on their parade, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Sora-san

Pretty sure they did it for the challenge and it's not going to be the new meta. Also, this forum doesn't have anything to do with pf on Lich so why are you bringing that up ?

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Not sure which PF parties she's joining since most are pretty chill..

Congrats to the team!

Edit: confusing with other person.

I smell butthurt

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Originally Posted by Mature

Congrats to the team! Apart from the monk who's got a TERRIBLE attitude. Arrogant mediocre and rude. Specially being as good as ANY monk out there.That guy needs to come down from cloud 9 asap

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Uh, do I know you?

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Originally Posted by Rei_Fails

Uh, do I know you?

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Apologies I'm totally confusing you with someone else that moved to that server. Apologies x

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Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

Inb4 "DRG too OP, can Tank and high DPS, nerf pls"
also Inb4 "PLD too OP, can solo tank A3S, nerf pls"

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I don't think anyone is going to cry nerf PLD. If anything it means people will now shut the hell up.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Ok im gonna crash the party, not really solo tanking if a Dps has to off tank a mechanic...and tbh you could still bring a Warrior along, they put out dare i say more DPS then a Ninja in their new dps stance, in fact Dps war is pretty dam good.

Again its not solo if you need a dps to off tank, if you wanna call it true solo the tank needs to take all the mechanics.

Just saying.

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Lol /10char

Well I think a warrior doesn't like that a drg can do off tank mechanics.