[dev1068] Materiae Fusion

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10-18-2011, 01:25 AM
Seyra

[dev1068] Materiae Fusion

Materiae Fusion

Class: Alchemist

Description: Being able to meld two Materiae together and having a possibility to obtain a better Materia from this fusion.

Purpose: Materiae Level I and II seem useless to me (to me). And once I obtain one, I really don't know what to do with it. I won't meld it, it sells bad because it is not rare. So what else can I do with it? Materiae Fusion could be a way to dynamize the Materia System and create a new use and a new exchange matrix.

How does it work:
You obtained two Battledance Materiae I from two spirit bound pieces of gear.
You have no use of them and would like to take advantage of the hard work you did to obtain them.
This is simple. You ask an Alchemist to fuse your two Materiae and you may have a chance to create a Battledance Materia II, but it could also simply create a better Battledance Materia I. So the system isn't too easy but stay fair in regard of your long hard work.

In details:
Fused Materiae must be the same type.

~~First fusion is always successful.~~ (gone due to comments)

A Materia created with the Materiae Fusion system can be fused again with another Materia but the success rate decreases (not as much as the existing multi-Materiae melding). If you fail, your highest Materia stats can decrease or you may lose this Materia or the two Materiae of the recipe.

Materia I + Materia I = Enhanced Materia I or Low Materia II
Materia I + Materia II = Enhanced Materia II

Materia II + Materia II = Enhanced Materia II or Low Materia III
Materia I + Materia III = Enhanced Materia III (Small)
Materia II + Materia III = Enhanced Materia III

Materia III + Materia III = Enhanced Materia III or Low Materia IV
Materia I + Materia IV = Enhanced Materia IV (Very Small)
Materia II + Materia IV = Enhanced Materia IV (Small)
Materia III + Materia IV = Enhanced Materia IV

Materia IV + Materia IV = Enhanced Materia IV (Max)
Materia I + Materia IV = Enhanced Materia IV (Very Small)
Materia II + Materia IV = Enhanced Materia IV (Small)
Materia III + Materia IV = Enhanced Materia IV

Conditions:
Alchemist Level 1~19: Fuse Materiae I
Alchemist Level 20~39: Fuse Materiae I and Materiae II
Alchemist Level 40~49: Fuse Materiae I, Materiae II and Materiae III
Alchemist Level 50: Fuse Materiae I, Materiae II, Materiae III and Materiae IV

Please tell me what you think about this system. Would you like to have it in Final Fantasy XIV? If yes, what are your ideas to improve it? What is wrong about it?

Suggestions from members:
From RemVye: I don't like the first one succeeds thing. I think it should be a typical crafting synth, where you can get normal or hq's. The HQ are just higher quality of that tier.

From AngryNixon: The only thing I would do differently is that this might be like the opposite of shattering crystals and that subsequent fusings don't have a chance failure nor are they 100%. It should be a regular recipe with all the chance of success/failure of any other crafting recipe.

From Eldaena & Wynn:
Eldaena: I hope eventually culinarian and alchemist can do something with materia. Maybe have magic materia combined with alchemy and melee sorts of materia made with culinarian or something. XD I think it's sad they are kind of left out of the materia loop right now.
Wynn: Infuse materia into food to get customized food buffs? :D

From Alise: Not bad, but I think it should remove the "first fusion always success" off. it is too easy to get low IV + low IV = max there.
10-18-2011, 01:28 AM
Molly_Millions

I would give alchemy a shot just for this, and I dislike crafting with a passion.
10-18-2011, 01:34 AM
AngryNixon

Hmmm... That's pretty good. Should be in.

I actually think your combination ideas are about fine as is subject to SE messing with it some for whatever they would change.

The only thing I would do differently is that this might be like the opposite of shattering crystals and that subsequent fusings don't have a chance failure nor are they 100%. It should be a regular recipe with all the chance of success/failure of any other crafting recipe.
10-18-2011, 01:36 AM
RemVye

Eh semi-good idea. I like the thinking behind it but the details would definitely need to be worked out more.

I don't like the first one succeeds thing. I think it should be a typical crafting synth, where you can get normal or hq's. The HQ are just higher quality of that tier.
10-18-2011, 01:41 AM
Seyra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I would give alchemy a shot just for this, and I dislike crafting with a passion.

Yes I don't like crafting too but it's more and more needed with all the gear repairs. Each time I have to wait for someone to repair my gear. I decided to level the ones I need, this way I'm tranquil.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngryNixon

Hmmm... That's pretty good. Should be in.

I actually think your combination ideas are about fine as is subject to SE messing with it some for whatever they would change.

Thank you AngryNixon, yes it is a basic idea and I need people to optimize it. And if Square-Enix could have a look at it it would mean the world to me.
10-18-2011, 01:44 AM
Vahzl

I will support it if you stop saying Materiae.

The singular and plural is Materia.
10-18-2011, 01:45 AM
Seyra

Quote:

Originally Posted by RemVye

I don't like the first one succeeds thing. I think it should be a typical crafting synth, where you can get normal or hq's. The HQ are just higher quality of that tier.

Yes that sounds better. Thank you RemVye.
10-18-2011, 01:45 AM
Jinko

Good idea, I would def pick up Alchemist again if they added this.
10-18-2011, 01:50 AM
Molly_Millions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seyra

Yes I don't like crafting too but it's more and more needed with all the gear repairs. Each time I have to wait for someone to repair my gear. I decided to level the ones I need, this way I'm tranquil.

Running a large shell has it's advantages, one is that I never have to wait long for repairs. 10 min at most usually. So far, I've avoided having to wait for repairs.
10-18-2011, 01:53 AM
Seyra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahzl

I will support it if you stop saying Materiae.

The singular and plural is Materia.

I thought it was Latin where the plural of female gender is -ae.
10-18-2011, 02:09 AM
Kaida

This is a really good idea kind of like the Crisis core system, which i liked
10-18-2011, 03:23 AM
Seyra

Thank you Kaida, yes I really liked it too.
I really think it could improve the current system and make low Materiae more useful. Give them a purpose and not only sell or low gear melding.
10-18-2011, 03:59 AM
SilvertearRen

My name is Feral Ren, and I endorse this message.
10-18-2011, 04:57 AM
Radiator

Great idea.. so tired of all this crap Materia
10-18-2011, 05:00 AM
Coldbrand

I'd level chemist if they could throw potions from a distance to heal people.
10-18-2011, 06:25 AM
Seyra

Hehe thank you for being supportive!
10-18-2011, 07:24 AM
Dakotacj

I love this idea. It would finally validate my alchemy and make me feel useful. It really ticked me off when they said Alchemy wasn't used in anything Materia-wise, it being a sciency type thing and Alchemist being basically a scientist. Would very much help with all the useless T1-2 materia clogging up my inventory lol I don't wanna toss it away but I can't get it to sell either.
10-18-2011, 03:34 PM
Kaida

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seyra

Hehe thank you for being supportive!

First Thread in a while there did not make me /headdesk

Also shameless bump
10-18-2011, 03:52 PM
Wynn

I like this idea too. It would make up for everything that was taken away from Alchemist during the 1.19 update.
10-18-2011, 04:19 PM
Eldaena

I hope eventually culinarian and alchemist can do something with materia. Maybe have magic materia combined with alchemy and melee sorts of materia made with culinarian or something. XD I think it's sad they are kind of left out of the materia loop right now.
10-18-2011, 04:28 PM
Wynn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldaena

I hope eventually culinarian and alchemist can do something with materia. Maybe have magic materia combined with alchemy and melee sorts of materia made with culinarian or something. XD I think it's sad they are kind of left out of the materia loop right now.

Infuse materia into food to get customized food buffs? :D
10-18-2011, 06:24 PM
Eldaena

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynn

Infuse materia into food to get customized food buffs? :D

Way too many materia for that or they'd need to increase the amount of food made per synth. =p
10-18-2011, 07:07 PM
Seyra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldaena

I hope eventually culinarian and alchemist can do something with materia. Maybe have magic materia combined with alchemy and melee sorts of materia made with culinarian or something. XD I think it's sad they are kind of left out of the materia loop right now.

Infuse materia into food to get customized food buffs? :D

Haha I honestly like it. Taking essence from a Materia and being able to cook with it. I add it to OP. Might be hard to implement though. But better try than regret.
10-18-2011, 07:10 PM
Vahzl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seyra

Haha I honestly like it. Taking essence from a Materia and being able to cook with it. I add it to OP. Might be hard to implement though. But better try than regret.

We may start seeing soldiers infused with Mako, you know, they will have that look in their eyes.
10-18-2011, 07:44 PM
Alise

Not bad, but I think it should remove the "first fusion always success" off. it is too easy to get low IV + low IV = max there.

other while, I not see any problem.
10-19-2011, 12:09 AM
Seyra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alise

Not bad, but I think it should remove the "first fusion always success" off. it is too easy to get low IV + low IV = max there.

other while, I not see any problem.

Seems to be the main concern of the people who like this. Then I strike it.
10-19-2011, 12:25 AM
Radiator

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seyra

Seems to be the main concern of the people who like this. Then I strike it.

Huh? Also who is attaching two IV's with ease?
10-19-2011, 12:28 AM
Fanzeron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seyra

Materiae Fusion

Class: Alchemist

Description: Being able to meld two Materiae together and having a possibility to obtain a better Materia from this fusion..

Now this is what Alchemist should be, damn it! Alchemists were one of the most important jobs in any MMOs: they made the best magical items, upgrade items, materiaes, potions, catalysts, etc. When you saw a high-geared character, you usually said: Wow! You must have some pretty good alchemists in your guild, right? -Yeah, we got five of them that can make any endgame gear you want! COOL! But here, in FF14 things are: Hey! Nice spectacles! -Yeah, I bought the materials pretty cheap from some alchemist dude. Totally uncool.

Imagine being a lvl 50 alchemist and being able to craft any materiae and even have a bonus for fusion more. Now that's a pretty good motivation to become an Alchemist. But now, I just bought my silver spectacles, so why bother?
10-19-2011, 12:47 AM
Seyra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiator

Huh? Also who is attaching two IV's with ease?

I think Alise wasn't talking about attaching two Materiae but was talking about my fusion system. Saying that with the 100% successful 1st fusion it would be too easy to create a max Materia IV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fanzeron

Imagine being a lvl 50 alchemist and being able to craft any materiae and even have a bonus for fusion more. Now that's a pretty good motivation to become an Alchemist.

Purpose is also to make Alchemists more useful and maybe create more features around them.