Can we have all our skills during synced missions? (Idea)

Hi, guys,
something that really bothers me is the fact that we lose tons of skills during lvl sync... According to some research, the our ilv is capped at the lvl cap from the dungeon as if we were using a NQ crafted lvl cap gear (e.g. : Sastasha (Normal) is a lvl 15 dungeon and the cap is lvl 17 so when we sync our status are synced as if we were using a ilv 17 NQ crafted gear).
I know some of our skills are way more powerful than the others if we not sync. (like Fire IV is 525 potency with astral fire III against 270 potency from Fire I with astral fire I) but if after we get 50 and 60 our lvl can drop even more and we can use all our skills or after lvl 40 or maybe 35 (if we change Cover's and Shield Oath's Quests) because tanks will already have their tank stance + full aggro combo so we can use everything we've got...
It's hard to change your rotation to go an inferior lvl dungeon, I know, it's easy to have less skills, but it's not the same, I prefer to go 3x on Lvl 60 roulette instead of going on an low level dungeon with my lvl 60 character.

This will ONLY result in variations of, "OMG kick this newb that needs Sastasha for his progress so we can get a 60 tank and get through this half a minute faster!"

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

This will ONLY result in variations of, "OMG kick this newb that needs Sastasha for his progress so we can get a 60 tank and get through this half a minute faster!"

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If we only look the bad side of everything we will never have something new on the game... it CAN happen but... it won't happen 100% of the time... just as you can kick everyone on the PT now a days... but you don't

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

This will ONLY result in variations of, "OMG kick this newb that needs Sastasha for his progress so we can get a 60 tank and get through this half a minute faster!"

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Not If they nerf you syncing enough. It's ok to imagine the worse case scenario but let's be a open book plz

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

This will ONLY result in variations of, "OMG kick this newb that needs Sastasha for his progress so we can get a 60 tank and get through this half a minute faster!"

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Agreed. Sad but true.

but if we get capped harder like... like 5 to 10 ilvs less than the ones unsynced (based on lv 60 only) so we will do more or less the same damage as the ppl unsynced.

Fighting games have characters that have more moves than other characters. They balance this by making slow characters with less moves/combos, damage scale higher per hit.

More moves or tools does not automatically = OP.

Short answer: It will never happen.
Less short answer: Even with all of your higher level skills being individually synced and scaled down the dungeons aren't designed to accommodate end game skills so cheesing mechanics would be common. Not to mention those additional skills would cause a very noticeable increase in DPS just by being there. More oGCDs to use is always going to result in more DPS than what a level 15 player has access to for example. This dev team has frequently noted that they are very small and even small QOL improvements that were on the agenda get missed from patch cycles occasionally, removing skill sync loss would be a major redesign they simply would not be able to accomplish in the foreseeable future.

Wouldn't that embarrass new players from doing dungeons? I mean for me it will, if I were to try my new level 27 tank to run with level 60 players, I am already at a disadvantage coz they got better gear (item sync aside) and showing how much skills I lack compared to them would not only discourage me to even attempt to do dungeons, I would probably only do it when I get all of my skills which is by level 60.

We already read complaints here on the forums in attempt to shame players that they deemed "unfit" for their jobs, whats going to prevent them from doing the same coz they don't have the desired skilled some of them need on a particular dungeon?

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

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It's not a major redesign... It's literally just unlocking the moves and playing with the numbers. The same thing they do with your gear.

When it comes to dPS, once again just keep scaling if OGCD are still causing dPS increase. OP is asking for a system that doesn't compromise his lvl60 playstyle, It can rewrite your muscle memory for the worse. OP is willing to do More work for Same damage just so they can use the tools and maintain their rotation.

Anything in this game can happen. I'm sure if someone asked for a RTS game in game near launch some people might had your attitude of "won't happen" blah blah small team no resources.

The only good argument you might have is utility moves. Like monks having 2 stuns earlier than they should.

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

It's not a major redesign... It's literally just unlocking the moves and playing with the numbers. The same thing they do with your gear.

When it comes to dPS, once again just keep scaling if OGCD are still causing dPS increase. OP is asking for a system that doesn't compromise his lvl60 playstyle, It can rewrite your muscle memory for the worse. OP is willing to do More work for Same damage just so they can use the tools and maintain their rotation.

Anything in this game can happen. I'm sure if someone asked for a RTS game in game near launch some people might had your attitude of "won't happen" blah blah small team no resources.

The only good argument you might have is utility moves. Like monks having 2 stuns earlier than they should.

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AOE skills alone would cause problems, it's not just "playing with some numbers".

Also, the whole point of level sync is TO cap your skills to what you would naturally have at that level. Even pets get 'capped' It's not just an item and player level adjustment. If anything, the skill cap is the main point of level sync. And considering, unsync is now an option for any pre-heavensward content...changing it, would do far more harm than good.

If you just want to power-blast a dungeon you need for a quest/get a friend a clear=unsync.

If doing a daily, or wish to do at level, do it sync and/or queue via DF.

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

AOE skills alone would cause problems, it's not just "playing with some numbers".

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It really is, scale it back so I your spamming elixir and rock breaker everytime it's up. = the damage of a single rock breaker. If rockbreaker against 3 mobs does 100 each. So let's pretend elixir field pops once every 3 potential rockbreakers. Rockbreakers normally would do total of 900 damage every 3 rotations. Elixir pretend it adds 300.

All you have to do is change it so that rockbreakers is 1/3rd weaker and elixir is equal to that of 1 rock beaker.

So 60 man spamming rockbreaker and elixir field does same DPS as man who's 40 spamming rockbreaker.

You can literally play with the numbers.

Quoting what I said in this thread:

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Originally Posted by Inferiae

Quoting what I said in this thread:

Because it's a lot easier to sync when you also sync the skills. Here's an example:


Imagine two BRDs, one level 60 and one level 50, in Sastasha. Let's sync them down to level 18, but not sync the skills.

The level 60 has access to traited DoTs, two DoTs, Empyreal Arrow, Sidewinder, Wanderer's Minuet, all his cooldowns. Even after being synced down to level 18 attributes, there'd be need to adjust every single skill potency to meet the standards for Sastasha.
Level 50 doesn't have EA or WM, but has access to all his cooldowns too, and traited DoTs. So, we'd need to lower his potency too, but not the same amount as the level 60 BRD, because it doesn't have the high potency skills the level 60 has, so the rotation is different, and potency per second is different.

Now imagine that for every job and every level in between the dungeon level and 60. It is much more practical to sync the skills too, so every one is in the same standard.

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On a side note, please refrain from posting the same thing that has been/is being discussed on the forums already. If need be, bump an existing thread.

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Originally Posted by Inferiae

Quoting what I said in this thread:



On a side note, please refrain from posting the same thing that has been/is being discussed on the forums already. If need be, bump an existing thread.

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Thank you for this.

You could argue only do it for people who are maxed level. Cuz the purpose could be just to retain your regular way of playing. If your a 50 BRD and still leveling to 60 you should just sync the old way. That would eliminate that entire complaint. As if your not even 60 yet you don't even have a foundation for a proper rotation you should be memorizing.

But guys... In terms of damage, if we cap the ilv differently we can get a lv 50 lv60 and a lv 20 doing almost the same damage, effort x damage doesnt count here because we are talking about new players too low level roulette is about helping ppl, not law tomestones, I'm suggesting something that makes this more enjoyable for us too, and instead of "omg im so weak, he has so many skills" the new players can look and think " OMG SO MANY COOL STUFF , I WANNA LEVEL UP TO 60 TOO" and the new players can get in touch of their possible new skills and ask about them too (why not?)

Imagine who cool it would be like " And lvl 60 came to help you in this dungeon " we can have even an exp bonus just like new players reward to everybody

Here we go again.... Just no. Deal with what you have when sync'd or don't do sync content..

Old content wasn't designed for later skills, end of story.

some skill will make dungeon quite easy... by example all the aoe or different combo will break the balance :x

I don't even do roulettes that could possibly sync me down to where I lose a significant amount of skills. I am probably the only one in the whole world that does this or may even think like this.

Though to elaborate a bit more regarding the topic at hand, if there was a change that skills could be used while sync'd I would be more inclined to help / do those roulettes. Sure the extra skills could overpower the content but I don't want to do lower level stuff as a max level character and lose my complexity of skill usage.

This mindset may just be from my many years of MMO before level sync and good ok' fashioned, "Hi new guy! Like my shiny weapon, let's go get you 30 levels! Btw this is called power leveling."

Great way to have fun showing off your hard work and helping people out!

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

It's not a major redesign... It's literally just unlocking the moves and playing with the numbers. The same thing they do with your gear.

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How would you change numbers on skills that don't have numbers, but just the effect?
example: Form Shift and Perfect Balance on MNK

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

This will ONLY result in variations of, "OMG kick this newb that needs Sastasha for his progress so we can get a 60 tank and get through this half a minute faster!"

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Because waiting for a tank to join wouldn't outweigh the time saved by kicking the newbie.

What?

This is all rather silly isn't it.