Suggestion: Create a user accessible Log file for the results of a match for ranking, Damage, Kills, ect.
Reason: A Log file can be uploaded to 3rd parties for data analysis and used to keep track of individual match progress and achievements
Currently the forums are littered with posts about a 3rd party website people have been using to track match progress. This website uses a Packet Sniffer to read the results at the end of the match and uploads them to a 3rd party server so that players can track their progress. This is in direct violation of the ToU.
Though there is no harm intended by those who are currently using this there is a possibility that the 3rd party who is taking this data is not as innocent. A key step to making a private server is to snag up information from the packets being sent to a server so you can reverse engineer the server itself. Although the people using "xivpvp.com" are likely not intending to modify the packets to cheat or use the packets to reverse engineer the game. They are still violating the rule and running a 3rd party tool that will result in unknown consequences to their account security and the servers.
By creating a Log file for these stats and for raid stats you can open up opportunity for fan websites and help users maintain account security.
For users who are using the site mentioned above. I strongly advise you stop doing so. If additional warning are wanted view this news post:
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Regarding Illegitimate Practices in "The Second Coil of Bahamut" (Apr. 3)
Following the implementation of Patch 2.2, we have identified several parties that used illegitimate practices in “The Second Coil of Bahamut”. As this is a violation of the Terms of Service, 24 service accounts that used such illegitimate practices in “The Second Coil of Bahamut - Turn 3” have been suspended.
※As of April 1, 2014 at 1:00 a.m. (PDT), only two parties have legitimately completed “The Second Coil of Bahamut - Turn 3”. Game data since then has been closely monitored.
Although we will continue to monitor game data to ensure that similar illegitimate practices are not being used, we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action.
Players who discover any confirmed cheats should, under no circumstances, exploit or disseminate such information. Instead, we ask that players file a report by using the in-game command [System Menu] -> [Support Desk] -> [Contact Us] -> [Report Cheating].
[Suggestion] PvP Log file
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12-27-2015, 04:12 PMOopsy[Suggestion] PvP Log file
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12-27-2015, 05:25 PMDimitrii
The new wolves den gonna keep track of stats anyway I thought? With the way PVP is if its successful it may end up killing Frontlines anyway making use of that site not as appealing.
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12-27-2015, 05:42 PMOopsy
That will be nice. I still would like a log file for self tracking for charts and graphs and such to see trends and patterns more easily. Personally I would like it for pve. When I heard a friend mention this site though it made me concerned so I posted a solution.
Since you mention wolves den updates... Why isn't the pvp profile on lodestone? -
12-27-2015, 07:29 PMTohuYou can see your own pvp profile if you are logged in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
For frontlines use xivpvp
Credits to vldc, awesome work again! -
12-28-2015, 04:08 PMOopsy
I did find my front line data on my profile. It would be nice to be able to share it or view other peoples. That is a suggestion for the website feed back forums though.
Like stated above, xivpvp uses a program that violates the ToS. Getting caught using it can result in a ban.
Details can be found in the link below.
Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV
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Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.
The following activities are also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.
•Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
•Utility creation and distribution
•Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit or damage other players
FINAL FANTASY XIV
User Agreemen
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2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.
SQUARE ENIX ACCOUNT TERMS OF USE: Section 5. Prohibited Uses
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xiii. Use any network monitoring or discovery software to determine the Website architecture or to extract information about usage or users;
And lastly from xivpvp
https://xivpvp.com/client FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
I hope that clears up any miss understandings about xivpvp. Per the terms of service, user agreement and Prohibited FAQ use of network monitoring programs to obtain and analyzing game data/user data is a violation and punishable offence. In the original post I showed one example SE has made of people who have used a parser. Network monitoring software is the definition of the xivpvp client and this is clearly outlined as prohibited activitys.Quote:
How is the client gathering the data?
Data is extracted from the network packets that the game receives.
The client does not touch the game client or its memory in any way. You can read the source code to see how it does all this.
Can I get banned for using this?
Not really.
The client is not gathering/submitting data that you don't already know. It just sniffs the network packets and parses the ones we're interested in, kinda like a proxy.
Seriously, you could do the same thing by manually extracting the data on the scoreboard at the end of a match and sending it to this website.
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12-28-2015, 08:40 PMTohuYou are welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
Your operating system has built-in functionality for capturing screenshots. For further details please see the manual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
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12-29-2015, 04:15 PMOopsy
Oh? I thought Snipping tool was more appropriate.
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12-30-2015, 12:17 AMTohuQuote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
https://i.imgur.com/eaon3LF.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Tohu
I did not want to discriminate or advertise any OS, but if you are using Microsoft Windows you can find detailed information about that in the Manual (Help).
Of course you could also take pictures of your screen with any kind of camera, since you might be afraid of using 3rd party software as you stated above? -
12-30-2015, 01:58 AMOopsy
I have nothing against using 3rd party tool... So long as they are not used to violate the rules. The one you mention is in direct violation of the rules. I think I have made that clear.
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12-30-2015, 02:06 AMTohuThis is defamation. I did not mention or link anything external like You did:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
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Originally Posted by Oopsy
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12-30-2015, 01:07 PMOopsy
It is not defamation. A key requirement of defamation is that the accusation be false.
That is why I posted a link to the source of the information that I have that states that XIVPVP is a Network Monitoring tool.
The maker of XIVPVP said it not me. So it is not defamation to say xivpvp is a network monitoring tool. On the other hand it is defamation to say I am defaming XIVPVP.
I quoted 3 different Terms and Agreements for ffxiv and related services that clearly states use of network monitoring software and analyzing data from the game and sites content is a violation of your agreement with SE.
XIVPVP defines itself as a network monitoring program and site that analyzes data directly from the games network traffic. Follow simple logic every 5th grader should know and you find that xivpvp client use is prohibited with FFXIV.
Transitive Property
If A = B and B = C then A = C
Addition property of equality
If A = B then A + C = B + C.
Facts:
XIVPVP client = Network monitoring software
Prohibited activity = Use of Network monitoring software
Here is the math:
The supporting information to each of the 2 facts above have been posted as quotes in previous posts.Quote:
Start by using the addition property of equality
Add "Use of" to each side of "XIVPVP client = Network monitoring software" equation
and you get
"Use of XIVPVP client = Use of Network monitoring software"
now both facts above have the same statement "Use of Network monitoring software"
"Use of XIVPVP client = Use of Network monitoring software"
AND
"Use of Network monitoring software = Prohibited activity"
So we can use the Transitive Property
Use of XIVPVP client = Prohibited activity
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defamation:
the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.
slander:
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
libel
a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.
Ron Hankin, Navigating the Legal Minefield of Private Investigations: A Career-Saving Guide for Private Investigators, Detectives, And Security Police, Looseleaf Law Publications, 2008, p. 59:
There are five essential elements to defamation: (1) The accusation is false; and (2) it impeaches the subject's character; and (3) it is published to a third person; and (4) it damages the reputation of the subject; and (5) that the accusation is done intentionally or with fault such as wanton disregard of facts. -
12-30-2015, 10:51 PMJzBen
i bet you are fun at parties
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12-30-2015, 11:04 PMTohu
Your calculations are all for naught.
You did try to defame me, with the accusation that i mentioned something illegal, which i would never dare to.
Whilst that you yourself make yourself a hypocrite by advertising/linking to external sources that you declared as the following:
- "Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV"
- violation of "FINAL FANTASY XIV User Agreement" and "SQUARE ENIX ACCOUNT TERMS OF USE"
.. what else to say? -
12-30-2015, 11:49 PMPocitaniaYou do realize that most Antivirus/Firewall software monitor network packets? Some of them even monitor application memory, or inject dlls. Right now, you're probably breaking the same terms you're quoting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
While I do agree with your suggestion about a log file (I even asked Kahuna for some help regarding this), I'm not sure I understand why you're hating on XIVPvP so much. Are you applying to be a CM or a GM? -
12-31-2015, 01:04 AMOopsyI am sorry that square-enix.com/ is an external link in your misguided opinion. Since these forums are at the same domain....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tohu
I dont hate on XIVPVP. The use of the Client for uploading to it on the other hand is a violation of the ToS/ToU/EUA as it is directly monitoring traffic from FFXIV. Anti virus programs are not specifically collecting information sent by FFXIV and are not collecting that data for any purpose other then checking for known threats. Using them to collect information about the games traffic for other uses would certainly fall under the same kind of violation. Wireshark and fiddler are perfectly normal tools but are not allowed to be used with FFXIV to monitor FFXIV traffic and i don't imagine you would think that was right to do. The purpose of bringing it up as was to stress the importance of implementing a log file, so that SE customers can upload data to XIVPVP and other sites with out violating the terms and agreements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pocitania
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12-31-2015, 02:11 AMTohuQuote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
I removed it in my quote. See a few above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oopsy
Oh, and how can you start trying to explain stuff to me, while you are not able to figure what
"Whilst that you yourself make yourself a hypocrite by advertising/linking to external sources that you declared as the following:"
with the context below meant. -
12-31-2015, 02:43 AMGuesswhat
creating a xml logfile(s) shouldn't be too hard. These could also be used by the game to give a graphical representation in-game of your, lets say, 5 latest matches.
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12-31-2015, 07:39 AMOopsyNot once did I advertise a external link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tohu
Again your word choice is terrible. Advertising is to encourage the use of something.
I cited a external resource and posted where the source information was from.
Additionally you didn't add that topic/section to your post when you said I was using an external site. All of the items you referred to were internal links. The only one you completely left out was external.
The forum rules do not forbid posting external links. You yourself have used external links on 2 different occasions (so 10% of the time ruffly). I am not encouraging people to use the item linked as you have pointed out and I have painted a clear picture that it is not a good thing to use and may possibly result in a ban or other corrective action.
FINAL FANTASY® XIV Forum Guidelines -
12-31-2015, 12:21 PMlovelikewinter
10/10 would read this thread again.