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    [Suggestion] PvP Log file

    Suggestion: Create a user accessible Log file for the results of a match for ranking, Damage, Kills, ect.

    Reason: A Log file can be uploaded to 3rd parties for data analysis and used to keep track of individual match progress and achievements

    Currently the forums are littered with posts about a 3rd party website people have been using to track match progress. This website uses a Packet Sniffer to read the results at the end of the match and uploads them to a 3rd party server so that players can track their progress. This is in direct violation of the ToU.

    Though there is no harm intended by those who are currently using this there is a possibility that the 3rd party who is taking this data is not as innocent. A key step to making a private server is to snag up information from the packets being sent to a server so you can reverse engineer the server itself. Although the people using "xivpvp.com" are likely not intending to modify the packets to cheat or use the packets to reverse engineer the game. They are still violating the rule and running a 3rd party tool that will result in unknown consequences to their account security and the servers.

    By creating a Log file for these stats and for raid stats you can open up opportunity for fan websites and help users maintain account security.

    For users who are using the site mentioned above. I strongly advise you stop doing so. If additional warning are wanted view this news post:

    Regarding Illegitimate Practices in "The Second Coil of Bahamut" (Apr. 3)
    Following the implementation of Patch 2.2, we have identified several parties that used illegitimate practices in “The Second Coil of Bahamut”. As this is a violation of the Terms of Service, 24 service accounts that used such illegitimate practices in “The Second Coil of Bahamut - Turn 3” have been suspended.

    ※As of April 1, 2014 at 1:00 a.m. (PDT), only two parties have legitimately completed “The Second Coil of Bahamut - Turn 3”. Game data since then has been closely monitored.

    Although we will continue to monitor game data to ensure that similar illegitimate practices are not being used, we would like to remind players that using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action.

    Players who discover any confirmed cheats should, under no circumstances, exploit or disseminate such information. Instead, we ask that players file a report by using the in-game command [System Menu] -> [Support Desk] -> [Contact Us] -> [Report Cheating].
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    The new wolves den gonna keep track of stats anyway I thought? With the way PVP is if its successful it may end up killing Frontlines anyway making use of that site not as appealing.
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    That will be nice. I still would like a log file for self tracking for charts and graphs and such to see trends and patterns more easily. Personally I would like it for pve. When I heard a friend mention this site though it made me concerned so I posted a solution.

    Since you mention wolves den updates... Why isn't the pvp profile on lodestone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oopsy View Post
    That will be nice. I still would like a log file for self tracking for charts and graphs and such to see trends and patterns more easily. Personally I would like it for pve. When I heard a friend mention this site though it made me concerned so I posted a solution.

    Since you mention wolves den updates... Why isn't the pvp profile on lodestone?
    You can see your own pvp profile if you are logged in.

    For frontlines use xivpvp

    Credits to vldc, awesome work again!
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    I did find my front line data on my profile. It would be nice to be able to share it or view other peoples. That is a suggestion for the website feed back forums though.

    Like stated above, xivpvp uses a program that violates the ToS. Getting caught using it can result in a ban.

    Details can be found in the link below.

    Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV
    Activities that destroy game balance
    Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

    The following activities are also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.
    •Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
    •Utility creation and distribution
    •Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit or damage other players

    FINAL FANTASY XIV
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    2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

    SQUARE ENIX ACCOUNT TERMS OF USE: Section 5. Prohibited Uses
    xiii. Use any network monitoring or discovery software to determine the Website architecture or to extract information about usage or users;

    And lastly from xivpvp

    https://xivpvp.com/client
    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:

    How is the client gathering the data?

    Data is extracted from the network packets that the game receives.
    The client does not touch the game client or its memory in any way. You can read the source code to see how it does all this.

    Can I get banned for using this?
    Not really.
    The client is not gathering/submitting data that you don't already know. It just sniffs the network packets and parses the ones we're interested in, kinda like a proxy.
    Seriously, you could do the same thing by manually extracting the data on the scoreboard at the end of a match and sending it to this website.
    I hope that clears up any miss understandings about xivpvp. Per the terms of service, user agreement and Prohibited FAQ use of network monitoring programs to obtain and analyzing game data/user data is a violation and punishable offence. In the original post I showed one example SE has made of people who have used a parser. Network monitoring software is the definition of the xivpvp client and this is clearly outlined as prohibited activitys.
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    Last edited by Oopsy; 12-28-2015 at 04:51 PM. Reason: additional information

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oopsy View Post
    I did find my front line data on my profile. [...]
    You are welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oopsy View Post
    [...] It would be nice to be able to share it or view other peoples. That is a suggestion for the website feed back forums though. [...]
    Your operating system has built-in functionality for capturing screenshots. For further details please see the manual.
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    Oh? I thought Snipping tool was more appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oopsy View Post
    Oh? I thought Snipping tool was more appropriate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tohu View Post
    Your operating system has built-in functionality for capturing screenshots. For further details please see the manual.


    I did not want to discriminate or advertise any OS, but if you are using Microsoft Windows you can find detailed information about that in the Manual (Help).

    Of course you could also take pictures of your screen with any kind of camera, since you might be afraid of using 3rd party software as you stated above?
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    I have nothing against using 3rd party tool... So long as they are not used to violate the rules. The one you mention is in direct violation of the rules. I think I have made that clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oopsy View Post
    I have nothing against using 3rd party tool... So long as they are not used to violate the rules. The one you mention is in direct violation of the rules. I think I have made that clear.
    This is defamation. I did not mention or link anything external like You did:
    Quote Originally Posted by Oopsy View Post
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    And lastly from xivpvp

    Removed

    [...]
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    Last edited by Tohu; 12-30-2015 at 02:14 AM. Reason: Added quote

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