Another relic thread

I'm not here to complain, but to say I like how the relic system was built.

Sure they didn't add new trials, but honestly why should they? Rewind to the first relic, they added 2 trials. These trials were only for relic and nothing else was put in place as a reward. If you was like me, and did relic 2.0 late. It may have taken a bit to even join in either of these trials as once most of the community did it, no one was quing up for it due to no reason. It took "Trial roullette" to get people to que up.

I would rather not have a debate, that isn't what my thread is about.

I'm asking everyone who dislikes the current means of relic, post what you would do differently if Yoshida came you you and told you to design a relic quest, line.

I'm here not to debate what is good, or doomsay SE. But to ask the community what would make relic fun for you. Lets have a discussion not to rag on the current, but discuss how we would design it.

For me:

I would make it have 2 paths

First path is if you have a zeta weapon you can do 1 of two things. One: trade in the zeta to skip the first step on any relic (like we do now) or If we trade in our zeta for the relic of same weapon we boost our zeta (we use zeta skin instead of eso skin).

Path 2 if you don't have a zeta you are given a quest to explore an area of the game that is close to the lore of your job. There you find an old weapon (think relic 2.0)


step two again 2 paths based on the above

Path one: with your weapon, or "zeta" you go through a solo instence of a dungeon close to your job, defeating enemies that slowly empower your weapon with end boss that is the sprite soul (you with fully unlocked weapon like dark knight quest)

Path two: you are given a quest to seek out matierals which is sub quested into doing tasks for npc close to your job. end result will get you the relic mentioned above and ability to do said steps.

step 3 1 path- with empowered weapon in hand you are given a task to research the history of said weapon. And run a relic research version of both the libraery, and fractil (different mobs/bosses) and must examin a object in each zone lite up to that player/job only. In library it will be a book. in fractal it will be a weapons exibit.

step 4 A (the grindy part) explore diadum (yes not zerg mobs) for different material these will be a mix of drops from mobs, stuff gather from nodes, and randomly places ???? based on job.

b run all 3 crystal tower areas for different mats

c wuith all mats in hand the weapon is improved but needs to be imbued with power, you are given a 5 rank hunt log to kill x10 mobs in various zones.

d after completed the hunt log you are given the weapon and go to a trial to defeats 2 weapon souls (see dark knight quest).

end result being the max relic for this stage.


thats my idea at least.

1 major thing; your idea did not need another thread. at all.

And that stopped people from making all the other threads, in what way??

Most the other threads are complaing about it wanting to quit.

This thread is for talking about ideas not complaining

There's already a thread on this topic, so you should add your ideas to that instead.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

There's already a thread on this topic, so you should add your ideas to that instead.

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the only threads about relic are complaint threads. Why not link this thread and i can copy my post on it?

Amd yes i did do a search all relic posts are more or less complaint threads about quiting.

Maybe instead of saying "there is another thread" how about contribute?

Not that I think there's anything particularly wrong with this thread, there really is another one about the same topic that's already several pages long.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Not that I think there's anything particularly wrong with this thread, there really is another one about the same topic that's already several pages long.

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thanks when i looked most threads was all complaints ty for taking a moment to like it :) I'll see about adding my idea to it.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

1 major thing; your idea did not need another thread. at all.

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I love how people like you comment on something they dislike rather than ignore it since your 2 cents means nothing to any of us

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

And that stopped people from making all the other threads, in what way??

Most the other threads are complaing about it wanting to quit.

This thread is for talking about ideas not complaining

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A quick heads up, the majority of people on here are total meatheads and arent very intelligent. I am very sure you figured this out already, just be careful when making threads that apparently is similar to another because you WILL get hate.

I wouldn't say I hate nor love the quest. I was excited until I found out it was the same style quest as in the past. Im still working on my 1st crystal since day one. So im getting a bit afraid that I might burn out like I did in the past due to the repeated playstyle. I dont want to quit the game like the white knights are pressing ppl to do like bullies. Nor do I want an easy relic quest. Im still trying for my 1st crystal, while deciding what to do next... i can understand why they would the old content on the quest to keep things alive. However, that doesn't make it new and fun for everyone. A nice balance of old and new style system would've been nice.

You know what this Relic has done extremely well?

Cut the queue times for Alex and Leveling dungeons by more than half.
I now get A4 Queues as DPS in 3~5 minutes. Prior to Relics, My average was 15~20 minutes.
My NIN now gets Aery queues in less than 10 minutes where prior to Relics it was 30+ on some days.

Say what you will about the grind heavy nature of it, But it did a fantastic job of pushing people back into that older content we no longer required for gear/exp.
Now if only they added Aetherochemical Research Facility into the pool of places we could get drops from or needed to do in general, we'd solve that particular bugbear for newer players struggling to get DF queues to finish their MSQ.

I'm curious if they made the intro questline as grind heavy as they did specifically to the purpose of revitalizing "obsolete" content for newer players or those leveling/gearing alt Jobs. Because it certainly seems that way to me.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Say what you will about the grind heavy nature of it, But it did a fantastic job of pushing people back into that older content we no longer required for gear/exp.
Now if only they added Aetherochemical Research Facility into the pool of places we could get drops from or needed to do in general, we'd solve that particular bugbear for newer players struggling to get DF queues to finish their MSQ.

I'm curious if they made the intro questline as grind heavy as they did specifically to the purpose of revitalizing "obsolete" content for newer players or those leveling/gearing alt Jobs. Because it certainly seems that way to me.

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It's not so much the case on smaller servers, and the rush will die off eventually once people actually finish their anima weapons. It ends up becoming a bandage rather than a solution. It's less about the grind, but more on the implementation. Everything in Step 1 screams that it should have been done in 3.0, even the Ilvl reward is less than that of an upgraded law weapon. And that's not touching on how it affects FATEs, because of the scaling being based on the amount of players that cleared the previous one, rather than the ones that are currently active on it. If you miss a FATE wave, you're SoL and your progression slows down to a halt.

Step 2 only works to revitalize 3.0 dungeons, because honestly with the increased exp the queue times aren't that bad even for dps on some days. The entirety of 2.x dungeons is utterly pointless other than to be fluff because people can just unsync it.

Step 3 has you revisting 2.x content again, with Alexander being the only option to express your progression. But like I mentioned earlier, it's only going to be like that for the initial flood of people that want to rush their anima. We had this before in the form of novus light, and within the first 3 weeks, garuda queue times shot up significantly once people obtained their nexus. It's trying to patch a problem which I honestly don't think is the bigger issue at hand (that being the lack of new content for existing players to do, and making them revisit content from the previous expansion isn't addressing that)

And well...keep in mind that all of this was delayed from 3.0 and 3.1 because reasons. At this point of the game, a good amount of players have already capped or near capping their combat jobs, or even have the option to skip out on step 1 FATEs completely (which really conflicts with the purpose and design intent of it making FATEs more populated again). The only thing we had to show for the delay was that they were using 2.x content in a 3.x patch cycle, and most of them (specifically the level 50 dungeons and beast tribes) don't even serve the purpose of making the world more lively for players who are new or otherwise not working on the anima weapon. To me, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to consider that content that reuses content from the previous expansion, and it was delayed for so long due to developmental reasons could be passable, especially in the perspective of a player who is already losing faith in updates for new ever since 3.07.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I'm curious if they made the intro questline as grind heavy as they did specifically to the purpose of revitalizing "obsolete" content for newer players or those leveling/gearing alt Jobs. Because it certainly seems that way to me.

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Pretty much what they did with the 2.0 relic, too. Seems like a "drag new players/undergeared players through stuff" weapon. The 2.0 FATE grind took way longer though as the drop rate was way lower. Even with the illusion of needing 3 times as many items per area with a higher drop rate (lower amount of areas) it still seems higher than 2.0.

The rest of the relic steps in future patches will probably be similar. They might throw us back into Bismarck[h]/Ravana[h]/Fractal/Neverreap/Void Ark/more HW leveling dungeons, Diadem and other nonsense. What they usually don't do is add something like Ex primals or anything that has a bit of difficulty involved. Just a bunch of low difficulty stuff to grind.

This time around at least you're not stuck on the same job for atmas/crystals and 2000 pre-nerf lights (agony). There was a frontline loophole on lights but that was about it.

This questline is not so great if you only play one job. If you are in the process of leveling and gearing other jobs it's decent cause you can level and gear other jobs and still make progress on it.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

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Yeah, Its probably the fact that we can gather the final step materials before even getting the FATE Crystals that caused that step to require so much.
As a career altaholic in all my MMOs, I can never understand people who focus exclusively on a single Class, So i don't have that issue personally. That and I'm pretty happy to just passively pick up the materials over time, So i don't run into the problem others have with the "OMG thats 800 Alex runs!" since I'll probably have run Alex that many times for gear by the time 3.2 rolls about.

Another thing they could do to reduce the complaints is to add the materials for Wolf Marks. I don't even PvP so it wouldn't really affect me (outside of my desire to get that Bearliege chest for my Warrior XD) but if they set up the MArks cost to be equivalent to the Law cost then it'd be just one more piece of content that gets its queue times reduced.

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Originally Posted by PawsTheKitti123

I love how people like you comment on something they dislike rather than ignore it since your 2 cents means nothing to any of us

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my comment means just as much as anyone elses; almost nothing. all this thread does is continue the generally bad forum etiquette the the NA GD has with creating multiple threads for the same topic.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

my comment means just as much as anyone elses; almost nothing. all this thread does is continue the generally bad forum etiquette the the NA GD has with creating multiple threads for the same topic.

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Wow, a mature response. Alrighty then. Have a good day. /Bow

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

my comment means just as much as anyone elses; almost nothing. all this thread does is continue the generally bad forum etiquette the the NA GD has with creating multiple threads for the same topic.

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Wow, a mature response. Alrighty then. Have a good day. /Bow (not being sarcastic)

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

my comment means just as much as anyone elses; almost nothing. all this thread does is continue the generally bad forum etiquette the the NA GD has with creating multiple threads for the same topic.

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my apologies but I did look.... Didn't see the link'ed thread till now going to post said idea in said thread you could have easily linked the thread though. Just saying.