Was looking forward to this dance...and it looks pathetic on female characters, minimal movement and barely any energy to it, while males get a much more powerful looking dance. Can this please be put on the same level as the male version?
Sundrop Dance REALLY Needs Reanimated for Females
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12-13-2015, 08:10 PMKalsoaSundrop Dance REALLY Needs Reanimated for Females
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12-13-2015, 08:14 PMGunspec
Everyone is just going to point out that it's based on a real life dance, of which the female version is similarly muted and weak. Blah blah blah. Of course, the female Vanu Vanu from the story quests performs the male version, and it actually looks powerful. Pretty silly for a female to come running in during the cutscene and blow enemies away with tiny movements like our characters do.
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12-13-2015, 08:16 PMDragonSlayer45
Whether you like it or not, it is based on the haka, a real life dance. The males are more aggressive while the females exhibit softer movements. Study up.
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12-13-2015, 08:40 PMZojha
I think it should simply be renamed.
"Sunderp Dance" sounds about right. Or maybe "The Alexander". -
12-13-2015, 08:49 PMGunspecSo then why does Linu Vali perform the male version? I learned this dance from her, so why is my character performing it differently?Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45
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12-13-2015, 08:53 PMRoegadyn_BearShe's essentially using the "male" model, as a proper female Vanu Vanu model was not created.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunspec
Not implying that female Vanu Vanu need to look different, but the model used is essentially made up by mostly males. -
12-13-2015, 08:55 PMServerCollaps
wait, there are female vanus? thought they are all male ...lol
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12-13-2015, 08:58 PMDragonSlayer45Uh, she doesn't? Check again. I just finished the Vanu Vanu quests yesterday, so I know for a fact she does the softer female version of the dance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunspec
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12-13-2015, 09:02 PMLadon
Oh boy now that a proper explanation has been given, is this where people start whining for video game equal rights?
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12-13-2015, 09:02 PMraela
There's a cluster of 3 females doing the muted dance on the island, too.
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12-13-2015, 09:07 PMGunspecSo an reexamining it, it IS different than the males, but still not as muted as what my character performs. The only motion in my leg is a slight heel tap, but Linu Vali is clearly moving her entire leg. The arms are the different angle as well, but again it looks much more forceful.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45
I don't know, maybe it's a limitation due to the vanu vanu model frame. But its still a disappointment after seeing that dance for 6 months, and then getting a different one because someone in the real world designed a weak dance for ladyfolk.
It's like showing us the manderville dance, but then having a weak version for females because it was actually a real dance from somewhere that a majority of players have never seen before.
No, just whining that it looks lame. And yes, I realize I'm calling a dance performed by real people in the world lame but so be it. I also think the macarena is lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladon
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12-13-2015, 09:08 PMEulIf you see it carefully, her dance is different with her brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunspec
And please, no need to debate this again. We don't have bunny ears for males yet so let this dance exclusive for male for now. -
12-13-2015, 09:11 PMColorfulThat cutscene is less laughable on a male character, it looked like something straight out of a parody video here. I suppose that's more to do with giant ferocious looking owl creatures being afraid of dances more than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45
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12-13-2015, 09:15 PMGunspecYeah, I think my main reaction to it was hampered by being in full warrior ensemble when I did the quest, and then my making the softest motions possible startles the enemy. My walking animation has more heft to it than that dance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
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12-13-2015, 09:19 PMNatashioYou might want to rewatch that cutscene again and again till to you SEE that her legs are NOT bent squatted like her brother's legs. If this is the whole issue that people are complaining 'bout, then you might want to also rewatch the video that was provided by Dragonslayer over and over to see that similarities in both the cutscene and that video. The developers got it right. Don't like it, too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunspec
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12-13-2015, 09:24 PMdinnertime
http://i.imgur.com/DPrsnZs.gif
This image will speak for itself. -
12-13-2015, 09:33 PMRoegadyn_BearWell, I'll be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
I really couldn't tell there were other female Vanu Vanu. Well done Square-Enix. -
12-13-2015, 09:36 PMPomelo
I actually like the female one, it suits the personality I gave to my character
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12-13-2015, 09:36 PMBlood-AkiThe power of observation, This is just something female users will have to deal with, if you seriously want the male version that badly then fantasia to a male. OR just take a salt tablet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear
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12-13-2015, 09:37 PMMilesSaintboroguhAll beastmen use the same model, regardless of gender, so you can't tell who is what unless they specifically say they are male or female. Other than the difference in the dance, I believe a Vanu whose last name ends in the "-li" prefix is female.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear
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12-13-2015, 09:39 PMGunspecOk, so I think I get what I'm missing here. The vanu vanu upper body is huge. Those arms are huge. The female vanu vanu is swinging around these great big meat hooks, so even if it is a mute version, it still looks forceful. It's the difference between swinging a dagger and a broadsword. Even if the motion is the same, the mass involved conveys a different level of power. Obviously it's a restriction due to the monster model, and obviously it was conveyed onto my character in a way I wasn't expecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
Anyway. My basic point is just that, after experimenting with the sundance for all of 5 seconds, I was immediately dissatisfied and elected to keep /mdance as my big energetic annoying dance of choice. If someone in the world wants to have a less excited version of a dance for a certain gender, that's fine and dandy, but I won't be using it as my celebratory dance. You can all be haka dancers, I'm a manderville man. -
12-13-2015, 09:48 PMZojhaIt's best when you put on some make-up and dress in thavnairian garb. Want bonus points? Do it as Lalafell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorful
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12-13-2015, 10:02 PMReinhaThat's also why the Sundrop Dance looks way better on Femroe than any other female. At least in my opinion. It's hard to be threatening with the body and fists of a skinny teenage girl (Miqo'te, Au Ra, Midlander) or a potato. It would be nice to see it on a Highlander chick though, if anyone has it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunspec
From the Roe thread, thank you a lot Pomelo:
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Originally Posted by Pomelo
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12-13-2015, 10:04 PMTheodric
I'd say it's fine as it is given that it's a direct reference to a real world cultural dance and that is almost exactly how the female version is performed. Many of the other dance emotes are very 'feminine' when performed by male characters, however, so if you're going to push for unique versions for each gender then it is worth including the other dances in your movement. I'd certainly support you in that case.
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12-13-2015, 10:12 PMAzazua_azura
im sry but....... -_-;; it still look god aweful for females no matter the race.... looks like you cemented from the waste up and told top dance.
The reason for the complaints is ppl ASKED for the vanu vanu dance as they saw it. Which was the male version, if i recall no female vanu was present till this was patched in. They really shoulda just made the male version for both, AND PLEASE the sun drop dance looks next to nothing like tha haka.
i dance as a hobby, and and when i saw the females stiff movemwent i just /facepalmed. The male dance is more fluid, and easier to watch. -
12-13-2015, 10:14 PMGunspecI've been toying with the thought of trying femroe recently. There is something fun about being freaking huge. I also wouldn't mind getting rid of the tail which they never bother designing gear to work well with anymore. I've still got my two fantasias, and this is tempting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
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12-13-2015, 10:14 PMDrakolos
You serious?!
80% of this games is made for or at least looks better on females und you request a change just for females immediately? And btw, I really like the dance on females. -
12-13-2015, 10:17 PMRoegadyn_BearQuote:
Originally Posted by Azazua_azura
What she said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
And what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakolos
Most of the things in this game, particularly armor, is designed with female characters in mind. The fact there's such outrage over males getting something in their favor for once is amusing in itself. -
12-13-2015, 10:30 PMAzazua_azura
@Roegadyn_Bear
and i can counter that with 90% of video games are made with males in mind.... so what.
I';m actually pro equality, and npt even complaining on the stance but the fluidess of it which is stiff. Amd everyone asked for the vanu dance as they saw it.
Stupid question, why is this even a counter argument? What is wrong with everyone sharing the same dance animation like every side dance in the game?
Why bring up stupid argumenys to back up your equally stupid argument? I just dislike the stiffness of the movement, and prefer both genders get the same dance as that is what we asked for.
Why do topis like these turn into sementic peices on who has the most stuff males vs females? its stupid..... LIKE REALLY ITS STUPID. I wish these petty chilidish male vs female aestietics would end its a video game who the ef cares, and just fyi I'm pro guys gwtting to ware dresses, male outfits more "manly" looking outfits. but serioudly drop this petty men vs women in game stuff its old and kinda ruins requests. -
12-13-2015, 10:31 PMGunspecYou DO realize that things don't need to be designed for one or the other, right? It doesn't have to be a "them vs. us".Quote:
Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear
http://i62.tinypic.com/vyva0y.jpg
Join team Manderville. Be a Manderville Man. -
12-13-2015, 10:32 PMAlphaFox
I like it as is...
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12-13-2015, 10:35 PMDragonSlayer45No one said it looks like the haka, but its pretty obvious where Square Enix got their inspiration from for the Sundrop Dance when you compare the two. And there were female Vanu before 3.1 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazua_azura
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12-13-2015, 10:37 PMEulSPRING DRESS FOR MALES OR RIOT! ╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunspec
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12-13-2015, 10:54 PMReinhaActually...Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazua_azura
These are nameless untargetable NPCs which were already in game before the beast tribe update. SE gave us the dance as it was given to the birdmen. Some people actually like it the way it is for females and an opinion about cosmetics is not more important than another just because it has big loud EQUALITY-tag on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
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12-13-2015, 10:56 PMRoegadyn_BearWhich would make sense, if we were talking about video games in general. We're talking about Final Fantasy XIV, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazua_azura
Let's flip that around then, shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazua_azura
What is wrong with wanting unique dance animations? Why must we homogenize everything?
You tell me, sister.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazua_azura
I understand that and it really shouldn't be that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunspec
The problem is that it is that way currently, which is why we essentially ended up with more female glamours and gear that looks better on them. -
12-13-2015, 11:11 PMGunspecI'm suddenly imagining a Hildy quest in Sea of Clouds where he is doing the female dance while Nashu performs the male version, before they are both eaten by Bismarck, because dancing does not have an effect on flying whales. MORE HILDY OR RIOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eul
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12-13-2015, 11:52 PMLaerune
If Sundrop needs to be reanimated, because some players with female avatars do not like the female version of the dance, isnt it fair that SE devotes time and money to model female only glamour for male avatars? I am all for equality, I wish female got the male Sundrop dance, I wish males got bunny outfit and dresses, I wish Lalafell could mount normal size chocobos. Sadly this wont happen, because SE does not want to spend funds on animation or armour that only some players want to have.
In the words of many players with female avatars that come here:'If you want to have stuff that gender Y or X has, buy a fantasia and roll as gender Y or X' -
12-14-2015, 12:03 AMFallenArisen0990
I like the way it looks on my character. It's adorable on a smaller character cuz it looks like they are trying to be tough. We don't kill them with toughness, we kill them with cuteness!
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12-14-2015, 12:06 AMKaoru_Nagisa
As people love to say for all the male players/people playing male characters who want dresses and bunny ears and etc. for males as well as females:
Don't like it, use a fantasia.
doesn't feel so good now does it? -
12-14-2015, 12:14 AMSilica-chan
Why is everyone so mad about this? The Thavnair dance looks way better on females while the gold dance is ok on both sides therefore it evens it out.
It's not like anyone here will just stand around dancing for hours anyway.
also thanks Gunspec for bringing that scene back to my mind lol:D