I will be getting ps4 for my bday. I have been subscribed to FFxiv for 2 years- even participated in the re-launch beta. I have ARR and Heavenward. My BF and I are daily players. So why is it I have to spend another $100 on the game and expansion again.There needs to be a long time player transfer for free thing.. I was so stoked that I am getting a ps4. The load times on ps3 effect gameplay I cant do hunts- even using the wedding ring. I am always the last one loaded in a dungeon even though I have CSs turned off. Had to skip most CSs for the game to avoid hate or simply get left behind.
As someone on a dying server, can SE really afford to lose long time players in this situation- it will take me 6m to a year to resub and get the game on p4 :[
Any FFxiv players out there who stopped playing because they needed to re-buy it? Or am I alone in this because that seems to be my only option, for the next year at least..
Low server population.. yet SE wants to be stingy?
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12-11-2015, 02:24 PMIritiriLow server population.. yet SE wants to be stingy?
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12-11-2015, 02:35 PMAshkendor
There was a free upgrade program that ran for quite awhile, but it ended in April of this year.
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12-11-2015, 02:36 PMKaze3434
the base game is 20 dollars, and the expac 40. as for the "long time player" thing, that would have to first be cleared thru sony, as they wouldnt be getting anything out of it.
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12-11-2015, 02:40 PMAeloria
Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.. They are different platforms you have to buy a copy of the game for the platform you wish to use.. I just switched from PC to ps4. I did snag a recent sale through gamestop but... At max cost.. ARR is like 20 bucks and HW is 40.... Where does this 100 figure come from?
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12-11-2015, 02:41 PMMycow8me
Honestly, its their fault for releasing on ps3 and not waiting for 4 when it was known to be around the corner. Ps3 players got shafted.
They wanted more console customers though so it is what it is. Its always about money. If the really cared, accounts wouldnt be console/pc locked and you could play from anything that could run the game. -
12-11-2015, 03:04 PMKitingGenbu
Is server population really low though?
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12-11-2015, 03:18 PMVoltaAsura
To be honest here, you dont have to rebuy anything. You can still play on the PS3.
Also, they did have a pretty long upgrade campaign for the PS3 to PS4 upgrade, and iirc even extended it for a bit.
As a long time player of FXIV (playing since Dec 2010) I can tell you that numerous emails were sent out at the time, while the upgrade campaign was underway. It also took place from April 11, 2014 to April 1, 2015 - almost a full year. I will note that even if you had upgraded at the time, it would have rendered your PS3 copy useless UNTIL you had a PS4 to play the game on. Even then you would have had to buy the expansion for the PS4.
edit: The base game + expansion for the PS4 isn't 100.00. SE is selling it for 59.99. It's possible that you could find it cheaper online, or on sale in the coming weeks.
https://store.na.square-enix.com/pro...xiv-online-ps4 -
12-11-2015, 03:20 PMSaccharin
It's Sony. For consoles Sony/Microsoft license a game for their console and they get a cut of every game sold, maybe of the sub too. Why would Sony want a player who doesn't pay them anything.
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12-11-2015, 03:26 PMVoltaAsuraBut it isn't. It's SE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccharin
It's this way for the Mac client, the Steam client, PC client, and also the PS3 and PS4 clients. XI was the same iirc. -
12-11-2015, 03:43 PMDoki
Invest in a solid state drive for your ps3. Alternately invest in one of PS4 or you will not be impressed with load time difference.
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12-11-2015, 04:10 PMKitingGenbuOP is getting a ps4, the thread is just about how the OP missed the year long free upgrade period for ps3 users to go to ps4 version of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doki
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12-11-2015, 08:12 PMraelaI went PS3 -> PS4 without a SSD and there was a huge difference in load times..Quote:
Originally Posted by Doki
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12-11-2015, 10:34 PMMaero
^ Exactly, going to PS4 was a major difference in load times
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12-11-2015, 11:12 PMFelisThere was free upgrade from PS3 to PS4 between the release of the PS4 version and april 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mycow8me
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12-11-2015, 11:27 PMDarkBIt is, an incredibly amount of people just got tired of weekly eso farming formula and weekly lockout crap, whole friendlist is basically offline. People just log in once or twice per week if lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitingGenbu
At least on Hyperion there are half if not less the people it used to have. I suppose on some servers is the same or even worse.
Makes impossible to do anything out of a "prime time" zone. Its actually quite annoying, I just log in and do ark once per week and sometimes for daily roulette. Game is very dull atm. -
12-12-2015, 12:17 AMMagisFFXI was NOT the same. I bought the 2008 Vana'diel collection for the PS2 (back in '09, last copy in my city!) for Aht'Urgan and Wings of the Godess and the keys activated on my account across the board. The PC version I downloaded and the expansions all worked no problem; PS2 and Windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoltaAsura
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12-12-2015, 12:20 AMLaylaTsarra
Shame they didn't keep the free PS3 to PS4 upgrade in effect. It's the same platform and an upgraded console shouldn't require buying a new game. I don't think that is required when people update their PC's.
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12-12-2015, 12:54 AMCanadaneWell, that isn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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12-12-2015, 12:57 AMMycow8meI meant shafted in the sense that, support for it quickly dwindled. They could have just only released it for the PS4. Not everyone was planning to buy a PS4 within the free upgrade time period. At the end of the day, they wanted console sales to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
Accounts should not be locked to a specific device. If you are able to log in on another device, what difference does it make other then SE being able to sell you another copy of it for $. That's my 2 cents. -
12-12-2015, 01:35 AMKiyashi
Man I hate to say it but just ask for a PC. You can get a PC built that will run XIV better than a PS4 for the same price just about. I can't tell you how many players lately have lagged out or been disconnecting b/c they can't run wtfast or a VPN to try and get the connection to the servers stable.
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12-12-2015, 04:00 AMIndigoHawk
It's annoying that a subscription game requires people to repurchase the base game or expansions for different platforms.
FFXIV should be buy once, pay the sub, play anywhere.
It could be greed, but perhaps it's an accounting problem, which is why SE only offered the upgrade as part of a limited promotion and used a marketing budget to pay for it. Sales of the games are probably tracked as separate items per console, and the subscription is handled separately. So, SE records a sale of the PS3 game. But later you want to play on PS4. Does that mean SE takes a loss for the value of the PS4 game? Who's paying for that loss? Does SE have to pay the PS4 console license on top of giving you the game for free? Are PS3 FFXIV sales a liability that eventually cut into PS4's profits?
Probably you have to pay twice because of something dumb related to how console fees and accounting works. Get it on PC next time. :) -
12-12-2015, 04:08 AMTwiliteYou think Famfrit is dying because of what SE did? No. All the good players transferred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iritiri
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12-23-2015, 01:30 AMIritiri
I was unable to buy a ps4 when the transfer was available. Technically I still cant buy one- its a gift. The 100$ is a figure that generously under cuts the actual cost. Unfortunately my country's dollar is so low compared to the U.S. atm and everything about this game is U.S. based when it comes to purchase. The DDL will probably 65$ [I last saw ARR for 24.99]. But the subscription alone was 120 last time and I will be due for an update soon and with bills/whatnot literally living paycheck to paycheck it is a lot to ask someone to restructure for rebuying a game.. Anyways- money is tight and this just seems like a stab and grab for the transfer to not be available for next gen. consoles.
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12-23-2015, 01:51 AMIritiriSome players transferred. Not all of them good lol. From my FL, LSs, and FC I can see that a lot of these transfers would be new character if they are even still playing. Havent encountered a real noob in a very loooong time. I did some server searching checking out different data centers and servers.. there wasn't much of a population difference.. I think it was Ultros that had a population similar to famfrit before people disappearedQuote:
Originally Posted by Twilite
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12-23-2015, 02:01 AMValkyrie-Amber
I personally think ps3 support should be cut however all licenses on accounts on ps3 should be allowed to be transferred to ps4/pc one of the two for free with say a month free sub for the inconvenience...
SE think of the games future and your long time customers hire the ffXI crew and ffxiv could become truly amazing. fyi I have seen quite a few mmorpgs with better graphics then this course they are pay to win free to play and all but ffxiv could be amazing if it could move forward by dropping what they claim as an excuse, ps3 limitations.
Like really the world of tech keeps moving forward and to be competitive you need to keep with the times.
my advice to SE merge all teams that still work that have made any of the final fantasy titles heck could make many expansions meaning yes we have to buy but the content would be far more than now. -
12-23-2015, 02:14 AMIlitsano but if you wanted to go basic PC->Steam you would have to rebuy. Same concept for PS3->PS4.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
Are you going to buy ALL those people a ps4/PC TO upgrade to? For many, a good rig, or a new console isn't within the budget of their livelihood yet, 400+ dollars is A LOT of money. 12.99/m is vastly more affordable than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber
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12-23-2015, 02:26 AMIromiWith FFXI you never had to buy the game more then once. Example...one time my graphics card died and while I waited for a week for the replacement I played on my brothers PS2, did not need to rebuy anything. Game was already installed...just logged in and played. You never needed to buy more then one key for FFXI...Quote:
Originally Posted by VoltaAsura
This is a new thing with SE :/ -
12-23-2015, 02:33 AMCatwhoYou did if you went PC -> Xbox though. Or PC ---> PS2 or PS2 --> Xbox. Just not if you went Xbox --> PC or PS2 --> PC. (Rather, you had to have the physical disks to install and play the games on those platforms.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Iromi
SE basically granted a blanket PC license to anyone who had the PS2 or Xbox license on their accounts. They opted not to do that with XIV. -
12-23-2015, 07:53 AMVespar
Okay I kind of have to be a bit of a downer when I say this, but why is it okay that people will rebuy the same game on multiple consoles/mobile and be 100% okay with it, but the second its an MMO the whole world is gonna end?
The developers spent time, energy and money making this game for other platforms, they should be able to charge what they want.. Your subscription fees go towards server upkeep and character space.
Thats like saying I should get a console game for free because I bought its microtransactions/DLC .... -
12-23-2015, 10:44 AMImoenAs someone else said it was not like this for XI, as long as you had an account it didn't matter which platform you were on as long as you had an install.Quote:
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12-23-2015, 11:03 AMAnaviAnaelThis is true, BUT you still had to purchase the software for the system. I didn't get a free copy for my Xbox 360 simply because I played the game on PS2.Quote:
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I really, really hope they bring back the free upgrade from PS3 to PS4 at some point. I find it silly that they ended it. -
12-23-2015, 11:11 AMFelisPS3 and PS4 aren't really the same platform.Quote:
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Or it should be no problem to play the PS3 disk of FF X in the PS4 instead of buying the game again for the PS4. -
12-23-2015, 11:17 AMBlood-AkiThe difference between PS3 and PS4 is like Night and day, take it from someone who has played on all 3 platforms, you will never even think of ps3 again going to PS4, its very near in performance to PC version.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
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12-23-2015, 01:08 PMAureliusDraconiumI'm actually moving to a pc from my Ps4 for FFXIV. The load times are better than ps3 but on ps4 compared to a pc is a huge difference. My bf has a pc and his load time is about 8 secs or less and it takes around 20 to 30 seconds for me to load in. Depending on if it's primetime it can take 1 min or more. Also the ps4 still struggles with heating issues due to having to constantly render players. I play with 2 fans on my Ps4 in a open ventilated area just so the ps4 fans do not sound extremely loud. Ps4 still suffers when a lot of players are attacking a enemy. Players and the enemy can disappear and then suddenly reappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doki
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12-23-2015, 05:00 PMImoenNo actually you didn't, if I had bought a PS2 version at one point, and my buddy had PC, I could use his disks if I wanted to install it on my PC and play, never having to buy it myself. Likewise, if I owned the game and all its expansions for PC, and I spent the night at my buddies house that had a PS2 with everything installed already, I could just log in and play. Again, as long as you could get access to the installs, you could play on PC or PS2, I can't speak for xbox, but I do know you could do this with PC and PS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnaviAnael
In XIV, they make you register each platform key to your account. ARR (PC) ARR(PS3) ARR(PS4) -- XI didn't do that, all that mattered is if you had XI and the expansions linked, the account didn't care what you were playing on.
With that said, despite knowing you could do that, I still purchased my copies on multiple platforms, for the plain and simple fact that I like having physical copies of my own.
On topic, I am more annoyed with Hotbars and gearsets not being saved to the server so that I can more seamlessly jump between my PC or PS4 than I am with having to register each key to my account. -
12-23-2015, 11:28 PMAnaviAnaelI think we seem to be misreading each other lol. What I meant was if you owned a copy for say PS2 that didn't automatically entitle you to copies for PC or Xbox. Yes, you could still play on a friend's PC if they had a previous install of the game. The way some of you guys were wording it made it sound like you were saying that you purchased the game once and could get the software for any system without purchase (which is false unless, like you said, you used a friend's discs).Quote:
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And I agree about the hotbars. There should be an option to have them saved on the server, kind of like what they did in XI. -
12-24-2015, 12:48 AMCatwho
You also needed to have the most recent game disk in the console in order to load XI, much like you do for XIV.
So basically, you had a blanket license to load the game on any system, but the only one that also came with the software for free was the PC version. What we recommended that people do when the Xbox versions became rare was purchase a PC license, then grab a set of used Xbox discs to install and actually run the game. A new version of Xbox ToAU collection was selling for $300 on Amazon at one point - you could get a set of used disks for $20 and a PC license for $20, much less expensive.
But you did still have to have both A license and A copy of of the game for that console, through one means or another. -
12-24-2015, 03:43 AMImoenHence the clarification. You could play on any system after linking your account, you were NOT able to get free disk from Best Buy for a different platform. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AnaviAnael
Oh weird xbox required the disc? XIV you don't need the disk though. Once it is installed you are groovy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwho