So me and my friends are noobs lol, so here's the thing , we are 4 people . We are planning to do a static party (btw we just grab this game a week ago). But , The dungeon rules is 2 DPS , 1 Healer , 1 Tanker right. so here's the problem . I want to be a Summoner and the rest of my friends wanted to be Warrior, Bard, Dragoon。That means we have 3 DPS 1 Tank and No healer. Is there any way to change roles? i mean like bard can do healing right? or is bard healing skills are too weak somit was classified as a support dps? i mean if there is no way to change it, i guess i'll go grab Scholar as my Job, i know we can change it later, but we are planning to play as our first job for a longg time hehehe. Any answer give will be appreciated thanks.
Somebody please answer me .
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12-10-2015, 12:31 PMArchlizeSomebody please answer me .
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12-10-2015, 12:36 PMAdylala
Baby! Get a heal job! You will feel like a god n.n You choose if they die or live! After you do your first job to 60 you can start with healing one, ask to your friends too. I will point out you and your friends won"t get far by having a Bard healing the party.
I don"t want to be rude but its the truth >< get a heal class! -
12-10-2015, 12:38 PMArchlizeOkay , Your reply really tempted me to choose a heal class , i guess i will grab scholar then ! lol :3 thanks for the answer :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Adylala
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12-10-2015, 12:44 PMAdylalaNo worries dear, but remember if you get your first class to 60, the next jobs you level will have a 100% XP boost (Worth for fate levelling too)Quote:
Originally Posted by Archlize
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12-10-2015, 12:51 PMjack891
No jobs dont have off-specs bard is a dps, its called a support dps because it generally has more utility to compansate for slightly lower dps compared to other dps roles. They can replenish tp/mp aswell as boost dps of casters.
also summoner and scholar branch from arcanist and level up at the same time so unlock them both, if you get 1 of them to 50 the other will be 50 too just make sure you do the job quests for both (every 5 levels) so you have all abilities and summons
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12-10-2015, 12:53 PMMorbidSick little puppet masters these healersQuote:
Originally Posted by Adylala
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12-10-2015, 12:57 PMLemuel81Scholars are alot of fun and can dish out quite a bit of dps :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Archlize
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12-10-2015, 01:26 PMArchlizeSo it will better to reach the primary class and Secondary class to lvl 50 than changin it to a job when its 30? okay i will do that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jack891
Yeah i think i will take Scholar as my First Job Now :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuel81
And thanks for ur answer guys really appreciate it :D -
12-10-2015, 01:31 PMArchlizeReally? i guess ill do 1 max class first then :3 thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Adylala
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12-10-2015, 01:34 PMLemuel81If you pick Sch as a healer you will also have Summoner as a dps lvled up since they are both shared with the Arcanist class :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Archlize
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12-10-2015, 01:38 PMArchlizeaah i understand now :) i will level up mu arcanist toQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemuel81
max first then, is it worthed to max the secondary class? -
12-10-2015, 01:40 PMjack891
No definately switch to a job at 30, i mean lets say u got to 60 as scholar you can go back, do the level 30 summoner unlock quest and you will instantly have a level 60 summoner. You will have to do the summoner job quests to unlock all your abilities tho
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12-10-2015, 02:48 PMGemma
If you need any beginner tips on healing with classes my friend has a great beginners guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl4emGXqoBE
Also has one for Tanking if your friend would like to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUP6MgI2RGA
Good luck & hope you guys have fun, Welcome to FFXIV! ^_^b -
12-10-2015, 04:53 PMbloodSp3c
ill put in my 2 cents :D
if you're gonna play a healer class/job might i suggest u pick conjurer/white mage 1st. its much easier to learn all about healing for someone that is new. scholar is a bit more tricky in that u need to manage your fairy healing pet as well. -
12-10-2015, 06:10 PMBroodingFicus
I'd agree with at least going Conjurer at first if only because every healing class needs to cross class several of their moves. Primarily Cleric Stance, Protect and Stoneskin which are all non-optional if you are going to heal. Well I mean...I guess they are optional but you'll make yourself miserable and other people unhappy. Besides you'll need to get it to 15 to become a Scholar from Arcanist anyhow.
Also as said, whatever you pick, definitely become a job at 30. For example if you want a WHM you level Conjurer to 30 and then Arcanist up to 15. At that point a job quest unlocks and Conjurer turns to WHM and you continue to level up to 60. Wiki pages will tell you which classes you need to get jobs unlocked and which cross class skills you can use. The nice thing is that if you then wanted to be a Summoner you would just go back and continue leveling Arcanist. Once you got it to 30 you could then go do the Job quest to become a Summoner and continue leveling Summoner from there. Generally it would go much faster than your first class because the greater the disparity between your highest class and the one you are leveling the more of a boost you get.
Welcome to the game. -
12-11-2015, 02:50 AMCallback
If you are a full premade the game doesn't enforce roles.
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12-11-2015, 03:04 AMMalicewolf
As another side note! Since you have a static 4 person premade, any dungeon's you do that are 4 mans can be done with w/e 4 you wish to bring. As a summoner, you COULD heal... but you won't be very effective. Summoner focus's on intelligence to dish out more dmg. Healer's focus on mind to bring out better heals. You could try to stack mind into your summoner, but it wouldn't be half as effective as a healer.
As many mentioned though, summoner and scholar share their upgrades as both are based on Arcanist. So leveling one will level the other. The issue is that you can't choose where to reallocate your attribute points (not the biggest deal though). Up to your play style really.
Also, there's an option when going into duty finder to change some things. You guys can go in unsync'd if you'd like (but at the expense of gaining experience from kills). When you reach high enough levels, you can blow through some solo, so you REALLY don't need a healer :P But you can even do this with whatever your current level's are (so maybe the cap is 25, but you're lvl 30; you'll go in at 30 and not lose some moves).
But if you guys want to do everything together, then yea, you need a healer. But don't let that stop you from playing a class you want to as well. You'll find you like many classes. I honestly like doing Tanking the most, but still love healing and DPS'ing. Each has their own merits. -
12-11-2015, 05:10 PMruskie
For the first few dungeons you can go for the most part in any party composition tbh. The healing done via summoner or blm is enough to be honest. ~32 though is where you will kinda need to have a dedicated healer.
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12-12-2015, 01:11 AMArchlize
Thank for all the reply guys :3 it really helped me alot , sorry i cant quote the post but i 've been reading all the comments you gave me :D and i just unlock my scholar and summoner, does scholar pet (selena and Eos) camnot do any attack in sic mode?
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12-12-2015, 12:24 PMBroodingFicusIf your pet is in Sic it will use its cool downs when ever it feels like it in fights regardless of if it is a good or bad time. Obey, it will auto attack but not use its larger abilities until you give the order. Hence its best to learn to manage your pet rather than leaving them on auto pilot in most cases. For example a later pet for Summoner is a Garuda Egi and has an ability called Contagion that extends your dots. If you have her on Sic she may chose to cast it before you even apply dots to begin with or before you have finished doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archlize
My summoner is not max level yet so maybe someone who has more time invested can say if there are other circumstances for using Sic but I've only used it when leveling outside dungeons etc with my tanking pet out. -
12-12-2015, 01:05 PMArchlizei mean the scholar petQuote:
Originally Posted by BroodingFicus
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12-12-2015, 03:07 PMVanilleFangIt's basically the same deal; you will want to keep the fairy on Obey. Sic will cause her to use her big spells without your input, which isn't exactly optimal. Sic use to be "okay" (read: not great) for Selene, since she would cycle through her two speed buffs every minute, but I don't think that's the case anymore with how they changed her spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archlize
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12-13-2015, 03:14 AMTristanBlaneScholar pets do not do damage they only heal and buff, if your using Selene. To cause damage and add DPS as a scholar your going to want to have cleric stance so you yourself can add damage. But no your fairy does not do damage, it just heals. Think of it as your co-healer. Have fun! Arcanist is a blast to level because you get the best of both DPS and Healing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Archlize
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12-14-2015, 06:49 AMBroodingFicusYeah was just using Summoner pet as an example because I don't know the Scholar pet moves as well. As Vanille said though, same deal. Best to use obey and learn to manage her.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanilleFang
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12-14-2015, 07:03 AMSnugglesDI see this thrown around all the time, but that's not how it works. You don't have to be 60 at all to get the 100% bonus xp. You can have any class at any level and any class at a lower level will gain 100% bonus xp until that reach the same place as your highest level class. For example: you have a 34 summoner - every other DoW or DoM you level will gain 100% bonus xp until they hit 34.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adylala
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12-14-2015, 10:34 AMFebrus
You get permission from your guild leader to study other jobs after you reach a certain level threshold, at that point you can flip flop around all you like. Keep in mind you have to outfit each job as well, so it costs more gill, more dungeon runs, and more inventory space. Sometimes it's easier to max one or 2 jobs first instead of doing them all at once. That being said, one of you will always be left out in your dungeon runs if one of you does not chose to be healer early on.
As it is now, your Smn will have an easier time leveling a healer, because the Smn and Sch jobs are both tied to Arcanist. If you yourself want to heal you'll have to wait until you reach the level at which your guild master allows you to study abroad (not sure what level it is, but it's pretty early on). -
12-14-2015, 02:42 PMTwiliteWhen its in the wrong hands maybe. I didn't feel like "God" and I while I could pick and choose when someone lives or dies, Murphy's Law would take care of the die part..Quote:
Originally Posted by Morbid