NA FFXIV Community Reps Live on State of the Realm

The NA community reps sit down and talk with Mrhappy, Slyakagreyfox, and Frosty_tv @ http://www.twitch.tv/mrhappy1227 . Also, a physical Heavensward collector's edition will be up for grabs for NA viewers.

The show's about to start in a few minutes, so come hang out :D

EDIT: It's up now on YouTube for those that want to watch it there @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibIAKSxlvtY

What do they talk about in these shows?

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Originally Posted by Antanias

The show's about to start in a few minutes, so come hang out :D

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no clickable link?

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

What do they talk about in these shows?

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Usually it's always ff14-related whether it's tidbits of info released on the lodestone, forums, dev blog, or other means.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

no clickable link?

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Tyvm for pointing that out :D

Is there a non-Mr.Happy link to watch? I don't watch anything on his streams out of principal

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Is there a non-Mr.Happy link to watch? I don't watch anything on his streams out of principal

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Nope, that's the only link.

What's wrong with Mr Happy?

The one community guy was like he loves reading the forums about people reactions about how this is cool or that is cool. Are they reading the same forums everyone is? Majority of the posts seem negative such as saying it just the same content repackaged or that SE doesn't know what the player base wants. Positive posts seem far and few.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

What's wrong with Mr Happy?

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a lot of people pick up his strategy and a lot of his information is passed off as fact - despite his best efforts - to avoid that. He gets guides up fast which is good for the community, but I've just got a habit of watching -none- of his videos because of it.

I don't think he's bad - but I think his video's as far as guides go are the weakest compared to everyone else I prefer.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

a lot of people pick up his strategy and a lot of his information is passed off as fact - despite his best efforts - to avoid that. He gets guides up fast which is good for the community, but I've just got a habit of watching -none- of his videos because of it.

I don't think he's bad - but I think his video's as far as guides go are the weakest compared to everyone else I prefer.

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You don't watch his guides so because of that you won't watch a stream that has nothing to do with guides and isn't even mainly about him?

Alright

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Originally Posted by Lexia

The one community guy was like he loves reading the forums about people reactions about how this is cool or that is cool. Are they reading the same forums everyone is? Majority of the posts seem negative such as saying it just the same content repackaged or that SE doesn't know what the player base wants. Positive posts seem far and few.

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Yeah, to me it seems like a harmful interpretation of the forum community as a whole, since there are a lot of concerns being brought up. Just throws more fuel on the "NA forums are largely ignored by devs" fire.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

You don't watch his guides so because of that you won't watch a stream that has nothing to do with guides and isn't even mainly about him?

Alright

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You know that time, like when someone behind you is talking and it starts to annoy you so much that you neck starts to itch? He's that guy.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Is there a non-Mr.Happy link to watch? I don't watch anything on his streams out of principal

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You want a non-Mr.Happy, Mr.Happy stream featuring FFXIV Community Reps as guests?

wut

That's like asking for Oprah without Oprah.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

a lot of people pick up his strategy and a lot of his information is passed off as fact - despite his best efforts - to avoid that. He gets guides up fast which is good for the community, but I've just got a habit of watching -none- of his videos because of it.

I don't think he's bad - but I think his video's as far as guides go are the weakest compared to everyone else I prefer.

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Woah, flawless logic

Can we get a transcript for those that like to read instead of watch? :3

Geez sat down to read forums and every thread with a hint of complaint just got closed. Much crazy. Glad to see they are listening /sarcasam

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

That's like asking for Oprah without Oprah.

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But what if I want Oprah without Oprah? D:
I deserve this because reasons.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

You don't watch his guides so because of that you won't watch a stream that has nothing to do with guides and isn't even mainly about him?

Alright

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As I'll say below, I believe it reasonably covers your response.

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Originally Posted by BrokenFox

Woah, flawless logic

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Not really. I know it's a bias - but it's a bias I have, and it's a matter of principal. I'm not gonna watch on his stream because that gives him income - and I dont' support people I dont' support. As far as my logic goes, that reasoning is simple enough.

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Originally Posted by Arashmin

Yeah, to me it seems like a harmful interpretation of the forum community as a whole, since there are a lot of concerns being brought up. Just throws more fuel on the "NA forums are largely ignored by devs" fire.

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From what I understood, I thought that there were also concerns/issues in the JP forums as well? It sounds like perhaps SE largely ignores fans in general, unless something a fan brings up is in line with what they were already thinking, or is an easy fix. It reminds me of that silly quest they made where you could talk to dev NPCs, and the Yoshi one had that big speech about not wanting to redo the mistakes of the past, but they're sure not learning from that because it sounds like still ignoring a lot of the players and putting up a nice curtain (or banhammer) around it as if they hope it'll go away.

Acknowledge your fans' concerns SE, not just their praises. It'll go a long way towards making them feel that they're actually being heard.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

a lot of people pick up his strategy and a lot of his information is passed off as fact - despite his best efforts - to avoid that. He gets guides up fast which is good for the community, but I've just got a habit of watching -none- of his videos because of it.

I don't think he's bad - but I think his video's as far as guides go are the weakest compared to everyone else I prefer.

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So that's your reason, based on principle? I get it if you don't think his videos are as fleshed out as you want them to be (which I disagree, his Thor Ex was simple and straight to the point, as well as his Savage videos), and maybe I get how it may irk you that some consider his strategies as flagship. But wtf, what's the correlation between that and watching a twitch stream because he's in it? You sound petty at this point, have fun self limiting yourself.

Edit: I just saw your above post. I'm a retail manager, and I get plenty of customers who talk and think like you. I'm trying not to generalize you with my own personal experience, it's just those people tend to have very limited mindsets that come off as ignorant. Food for thought man.

I seriously LOL'd at the guy "taking a principled stand" against Happy. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

I seriously LOL'd at the guy "taking a principled stand" against Happy. Lol.

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It's like shopping at a store. Are you gonna go into a store you don't like if there's an alternative?

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

So that's your reason, based on principle? I get it if you don't think his videos are as fleshed out as you want them to be (which I disagree, his Thor Ex was simple and straight to the point, as well as his Savage videos), and maybe I get how it may irk you that some consider his strategies as flagship. But wtf, what's the correlation between that and watching a twitch stream because he's in it? You sound petty at this point, have fun self limiting yourself.

Edit: I just saw your above post. I'm a retail manager, and I get plenty of customers who talk and think like you. I'm trying not to generalize you with my own personal experience, it's just those people tend to have very limited mindsets that come off as ignorant. Food for thought man.

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Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding - but it's not his presence in the video that bothers me - it's that it's via his twitch and that viewing it through there is supporting something I don't like. Was this not the case?

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

It's like shopping at a store. Are you gonna go into a store you don't like if there's an alternative?




Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding - but it's not his presence in the video that bothers me - it's that it's via his twitch and that viewing it through there is supporting something I don't like. Was this not the case?

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Are you trying to say you just don't like happy in general


I mean that's totally fine. but imo his stream is a lot different than his videos.


I dunno, thats just me though~. No one can force you to watch something you dont want to :P.

I mean if you don't like it then don't watch it by all means. I just think its silly. To each their own. I will say that if everyone in this community had as much love passion and contribution as happy it would be a much much better place.

"Happy" early Thanksgiving everyone!!!

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

But wtf, what's the correlation between that and watching a twitch stream because he's in it?

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hrhappy is partnered on twitch so he get money based on the views he gets, the stream might not be about him but it his channel so any money that twitch pays out will go to hrhappy not SE or the community team. I think that what they are pointing out if I read his other post correctly.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

I mean if you don't like it then don't watch it by all means. I just think its silly. To each their own. I will say that if everyone in this community had as much love passion and contribution as happy it would be a much much better place.

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Call me cynical, then, because I've found that a lot of streamers are doing what they're doing for the views and money that comes with it whilst presenting a pseudo-friendly image to their fans. I'd rather get information from the primary source - the game itself and the developers - rather than internet 'celebrities'.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

What's wrong with Mr Happy?

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When I first started playing FFXIV, I didn't know much, and he seemed like "the" guy when it came to FFXIV. I tried watching his stream. Tuned in to what was basically 10-15 mins of him whining about something or other. At some point his mother (who sounds like a nice lady) came into his room. She found a bag of chips or cookies at the store and got them for him. As soon as she left the room he started griping about the chips and how they sucked and he didn't even want them.

I never tuned in again.

YouTube link added to the OP for those that want to go back and watch :D

Happy-haters are merely hipsters with mainstream phobia.

When you get around to beating a4s you can gripe about how your strategy is better.

His guides are highly detailed and have gotten a huge number of players clears on content they would otherwise never never have finished on their own.

Of all the critisism you could level against him, you went the route with the least substance. You could have gone with the "he's an apologist" route, or the baseless and unconfirmable "he's a jerk off screen" one people try and use, but instead your argument boils down to "I'm OG hipster and I won't support anything other people like. Indie or gtfo."

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

When you get around to beating a4s you can gripe about how your strategy is better.

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His strategy is the same as everyone else's... watch all the clear videos of the world first/second/thrid/etc teams, and do whatever they did. He just makes a video afterwards.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

Happy-haters are merely hipsters with mainstream phobia.
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No, they're not. They're people who don't feel the need to fawn over internet 'celebrities'. Something being 'mainstream' doesn't mean it's necessarily good but then again I'm not sure how a guy making videos for FFXIV is 'mainstream' in the first place.

So, what did they say about the state of the Realm?

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

His strategy is the same as everyone else's... watch all the clear videos of the world first/second/thrid/etc teams, and do whatever they did. He just makes a video afterwards.

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That just furthers the point. What I said was in response to the guy saying that he didn't like how the method happy posts becomes the meta.

It becomes the meta because it works.

My point wasn't that he created the method himself. The point was don't complain that people want to use a strategy that works when you can't come up with anything better on your own.

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I'm OG hipster and I won't support anything other people like. Indie or gtfo.

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These folks only hang around here because Indie games totally suck.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

No, they're not. They're people who don't feel the need to fawn over internet 'celebrities'. Something being 'mainstream' doesn't mean it's necessarily good but then again I'm not sure how a guy making videos for FFXIV is 'mainstream' in the first place.

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Its cool. To each their own. I'll keep using Happy's guides to clear content and you can keep trolling the forums in your fedora and perscriptionless raybans.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

That just furthers the point. What I said was in response to the guy saying that he didn't like how the method happy posts becomes the meta.

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Except a lot of the time, people stick to his 'plan' because they don't know any better. There are times in 2.0 where we had a different strategy, and people would just say "That's not the mr.happy strategy."

I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt - I made the statement that despite his best efforts to say that this isn't the only strategy, people treat his word/guides as gospel.

Further, if you want my other issues with him, it comes down to how much he seems to talk in his guides. While not usually a bad thing, it seems like he tries to overexplain and loses his general focus. His guides are good for getting a general idea, but the ones that are more concise - like Xeno or MTQ - are my preference.


and I've no idea why some people are so defensive over an internet personality. Why does his in/fame(y) affect you at all? People are allowed not to like someone. It does not make your or anyone elses appreciation of him any less valid.

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Originally Posted by Nithyan

Is there something about the balmung server that attracts particulary retarded people or something?

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No different than any other server. Though throwing out baseless insults is easy - I don't feel the need to drop myself down to that. If you have a problem, state it clearly and you'll get a lot more respect. :)

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

Its cool. To each their own. I'll keep using Happy's guides to clear content and you can keep trolling the forums in your fedora and perscriptionless raybans.

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