Feels like I am missing something

I am a 56th level botanist with:

528 Gathering
535 Perception
575 GP

I cant seem to get over 402 collectability.
Which is OK for lower stuff but not much good for anything 56 and higher.

Currently I use Discerning Eye and Methodical Appraisal X3 to get there.

What do I need to do to get a higher collectability?

Thanks

without RNG your rotation is the most powerful you can use. You could get more if you use IA and proc discerning eye but the odds of that happening are extremely slim and, im not sure you have the other skills unlocked to really use that rotation (utmost caution and single mind).

Long story short you need to level up and upgrade your gear. The only thing that increases collectability is your perception stat. I wouldnt worry too much about collectibles until you are level 60. There is a thread around here somewhere called rotation analysis and there is a fabulous spreadsheet that breaks down all possible rotations and perception needed if you want more details I would recommend you take some time to find it.

Yup, only perception matters for collectability. So if you want to increase it right now, you'd need to meld your gear for it (unless you've already done that). It seems to work in steps, as in it doesn't scale for every point of percetion you get, but rather it increases at certain "levels" of the stat.

I have done some basic melding.

I have "equippable at level 55" HQ gear in just about every slot with some material 3s on it. I guess I have to put 4s in the remaining slots?

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Originally Posted by Santherelle

I guess I have to put 4s in the remaining slots?

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No! Please don't! Overmelding Tier iV after melding Tier III is a big no no. Furthermore, using Tier IV on any gear before lvl 60 is a total waste! In fact, even if you melded 18 more perception, it probably still won't add much more power to your appraisals... Maybe ~10 more collectability per appraisal? What yoi really need is a better rotation that can easily give you ~15 to 20% more power without the need to waste money on materia.

I have a number of rotations in my gathering guide that can suit people with various stats:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-he...e-tsukino.157/

However you do need 600 GP for all those rotations. So what you need is some light melds of low tier GP materia and use cheap GP food.

Thanks Caimie.

I'll look at that and see what I can do.

What I scanned so far looks very helpful.

Hey there. Your gear is great for your level. No need to do anything with it. It's just your rotation.

You use:

1. Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal
2. Methodical Apraisal
3. Methodical Apraisal

This can never give you more than 402 collectability (172 + 115 + 115).

Don't worry. You can easily get over 450 by adding one more Discerning Eye:

1. Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal
2. Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal
3. Methodical Apraisal

It uses 400 SP and should give you 459 collectability. Once you have 600 SP and a higher level, you can add Single Mind before your last appraisal.

Sure, there are a lot more rotations, but let's keep it simple until you're level 60 and fully geared.:)

I see it using more GP.

But I am out once I use Toil of the Pioneer. That is 300 out of my now 599. which just leaves me with 299 for other skills.

Is there a way to get the out of reach items without using Toil?

Ah so that's it. Don't use Toil of the Pioneer anymore. Instead just hit the spot where the item you want to collect hides. This takes away one hit (out of 6 in total), but you save 300 GP which is essential.

And unfortunately those 599 GP have to go up to 600 to be useful.:(

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Originally Posted by Seyb

Hey there. Your gear is great for your level. No need to do anything with it. It's just your rotation.

You use:

1. Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal
2. Methodical Apraisal
3. Methodical Apraisal

This can never give you more than 402 collectability (172 + 115 + 115).

Don't worry. You can easily get over 450 by adding one more Discerning Eye:

1. Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal
2. Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal
3. Methodical Apraisal

It uses 400 SP and should give you 459 collectability. Once you have 600 SP and a higher level, you can add Single Mind before your last appraisal.

Sure, there are a lot more rotations, but let's keep it simple until you're level 60 and fully geared.:)

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Wow xD I hit exactly 115 non buffed methodical too. xD Just started trying out collectible on my Miner today. @.@

Its RNG, but at least its math without some convoluted modifier. xD

Double wow I didn't realize that appraisals were capped at 115 methodical. Guess perception loses value quickly aside from the occasional HQ extra point crits.

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Originally Posted by Santherelle

But I am out once I use Toil of the Pioneer. That is 300 out of my now 599. which just leaves me with 299 for other skills.

Is there a way to get the out of reach items without using Toil?

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600 GP is the minimum standard for end game. 650 GP can give an edge if you can achieve it (with overmelds and with food).

Never use Toil ever again. Toil is bad bad bad. It has been bad since old times of ARR. Even without the collectable game in HW, Toil has always been bad for almost any unspoiled gathering activity. All you need is one hit on the slot and 300 GP is saved. The only situation when Toil is useful is if the item changes slot number every time.

Thanks


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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Never use Toil ever again. Toil is bad bad bad. It has been bad since old times of ARR. Even without the collectable game in HW, Toil has always been bad for almost any unspoiled gathering activity. All you need is one hit on the slot and 300 GP is saved. The only situation when Toil is useful is if the item changes slot number every time.

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I wouldn't say that. It is the only way to save one gathering attempt in the early 50s. With toil + Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal + Methodical Apraisal, you can get 4 collectables at level 50 to turn in. How else could you achieve that?

if you have 599 GPs use cheap vendor food to get over 600. Lentils and chestnuts are 34 gil, available from vendors in the starting cities and give 20 GPs and a tiny perception boost too. For max perception cheap, Dzemael Gratin is available in foundation for 457 gil. 24 GPs, 6 perception. If you have gil to burn on 3.0 HQ food, HQ Stuffed Cabbage Rolls give 32 perception and 16 GPs.

If your gear has any unoccupied slots meld perception IV, If you will be overmelding, I would say III unless IV is dirt cheap on your server compared to your gil on hand.

I can't see your gear, Lodestone currently has you on WHM, but hats give the most perception and also can take the most.

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Originally Posted by Seyb

I wouldn't say that. It is the only way to save one gathering attempt in the early 50s. With toil + Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal + Methodical Apraisal, you can get 4 collectables at level 50 to turn in. How else could you achieve that?

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Well, fair enough.
For me, I never bothered with collectables until level 60 since leves + GC turn-ins were sufficient for my leveling process. :/

Collectibles were the best exp you could do for Miner and Botanist. Leves made a nice supplement, but the Collectibles offfered so much more exp it was ridiculous.

Towards the end was getting around 1 mil exp for Miner or Botanist, per 10-12-2 oclock Collectibles set.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Collectibles were the best exp you could do for Miner and Botanist. Leves made a nice supplement, but the Collectibles offfered so much more exp it was ridiculous.

Towards the end was getting around 1 mil exp for Miner or Botanist, per 10-12-2 oclock Collectibles set.

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That's why I never wrote a guide on "how to level Min/Btn"! LOL! I knew I was never good at that! XD

I did like Caimie... Maybe because of the old way to levelup in ARR
And because leves help a lot in spiritbonding XP (brainless hitting nodes)

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Originally Posted by Seyb

I wouldn't say that. It is the only way to save one gathering attempt in the early 50s. With toil + Discerning Eye + Methodical Apraisal + Methodical Apraisal, you can get 4 collectables at level 50 to turn in. How else could you achieve that?

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In my opinion, you should only be using skills like toil when you want to mass unlock all the items from the node, the very first time. From then on, after its been discovered, you should be saving the 300gp to heal the node with ageless words/Solid Reason if you don't need the GP for the extra appraisal. After you get Single mind you don't need to use ageless/Solid, but that's what it's good for before 57 for collectables, but I guess that early when you're not using instinctual for the rng boost, it works the same! xD

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

600 GP is the minimum standard for end game. 650 GP can give an edge if you can achieve it (with overmelds and with food).

Never use Toil ever again. Toil is bad bad bad. It has been bad since old times of ARR. Even without the collectable game in HW, Toil has always been bad for almost any unspoiled gathering activity. All you need is one hit on the slot and 300 GP is saved. The only situation when Toil is useful is if the item changes slot number every time.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

In my opinion, you should only be using skills like toil when you want to mass unlock all the items from the node, the very first time. From then on, after its been discovered, you should be saving the 300gp to heal the node with ageless words/Solid Reason if you don't need the GP for the extra appraisal. After you get Single mind you don't need to use ageless/Solid, but that's what it's good for before 57 for collectables, but I guess that early when you're not using instinctual for the rng boost, it works the same! xD

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Toil has only really been good for the pioneers (see what I did there?) of the unspoiled gathering world, who are the first to discover exactly what slot items are on. It's good for that at least, but after that it quickly loses it's value. The only time you'd use it now is for items that have randomized slots (like dark matter clusters)

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Originally Posted by Yonanja

Yup, only perception matters for collectability. So if you want to increase it right now, you'd need to meld your gear for it (unless you've already done that). It seems to work in steps, as in it doesn't scale for every point of percetion you get, but rather it increases at certain "levels" of the stat.

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unbuffed methodical appraisal increases by 2 (and sometimes by 1, but only near the floor or cap) points for every 5 points of perception beyond the floor, until the cap. See this thread for more details.

Indeed, Toil of the Pioneer is mostly only suitable for the pioneering work! ^_^
Pioneering the same old node again and again won't make sense! LOL! :p

Try to hit 670 GP. Then you can beef stew your way to 700. Makes getting those rare aethersands quite a lot easier.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Try to hit 670 GP. Then you can beef stew your way to 700. Makes getting those rare aethersands quite a lot easier.

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Is it possible to get your base GP to 670 while wearing the i180 Red Scrip turn-in gathering gear? Or does it require for you to keep the HQ Lv60 craftable gathering gear with overmeld?

I'm planning on use toil again soon on legendary nodes once I hit 700 GP.

This is the rotation imma use -》Toil / Sharp Vision II (100% with 725 gathering) / unearth (+10% HQ) / collect 5 / Deep Vigor + Bountiful Yield

This is a guarateed, 100% RNG free, 2 hq items at least per legendary node (with 5 attempts with at least 18%)

^_^

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

I'm planning on use toil again soon on legendary nodes once I hit 700 GP.
This is the rotation imma use -》Toil / Sharp Vision II (100% with 725 gathering) / unearth (+10% HQ) / collect 5 / Deep Vigor + Bountiful Yield
This is a guarateed, 100% RNG free, 2 hq items at least per legendary node (with 5 attempts with at least 18%)
^_^

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I had been been using Solid Reason / Ageless Words to do that (at 600 GP without using Unearth) but I can see the advantage to using Toil.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

I had been been using Solid Reason / Ageless Words to do that (at 600 GP without using Unearth) but I can see the advantage to using Toil.

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Toil and Solid/Ageless have the same GP cost and the same effect (avoiding having to hit the node to reveal the item is essentially the same thing as buying another hit on the node) but Toil has the added bonus that there's no risk of forgetting the position and hitting the wrong spot. I used Toil all the time as part of a lower-powered version of Lilyth's rotation back when gathering endgame was redolent/antumbral for Lucis tools.

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Originally Posted by Tango185

Is it possible to get your base GP to 670 while wearing the i180 Red Scrip turn-in gathering gear? Or does it require for you to keep the HQ Lv60 craftable gathering gear with overmeld?

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It's possible but you might need chyshal greens and/or griffinskin accessories.

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Originally Posted by Tango185

Is it possible to get your base GP to 670 while wearing the i180 Red Scrip turn-in gathering gear? Or does it require for you to keep the HQ Lv60 craftable gathering gear with overmeld?

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Maximum possible GP according to Ariyala is 652 with none of the crafted i170 gear and 668 with all 170 accessories, if you're using i180 gathering gear. 700 is possible with HQ stuffed chysahl, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

I'm planning on use toil again soon on legendary nodes once I hit 700 GP.

This is the rotation imma use -》Toil / Sharp Vision II (100% with 725 gathering) / unearth (+10% HQ) / collect 5 / Deep Vigor + Bountiful Yield

This is a guarateed, 100% RNG free, 2 hq items at least per legendary node (with 5 attempts with at least 18%)

^_^

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What do you think about this one?

Toil (300gp) > Unearth II (300gp) > Sharp Vision (100gp) > Gather x5 (at 37% chance) > Gather x1 (last hit HQ)

Figure this gives you x5 swings at 37% HQ chance and the last swing guarenteed HQ. The only downside i can see is that the sharp vision likely won't get you to 100% (probably 91-95%).

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

What do you think about this one?

Toil (300gp) > Unearth II (300gp) > Sharp Vision (100gp) > Gather x5 (at 37% chance) > Gather x1 (last hit HQ)

Figure this gives you x5 swings at 37% HQ chance and the last swing guarenteed HQ. The only downside i can see is that the sharp vision likely won't get you to 100% (probably 91-95%).

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The 100GP Sharp Vision is SVII, and add 15% for me that's 100%.
As to whether to use Unearth II (UE2, 300GP) (+30% HQ) or Bountiful Yield (BY, 200GP). UE2 will give, average, 1.5 more HQ per node-spawn. BY will give you 1 more, every time, and costs less GP -- which is important even if you have 700GP for the UE2 rotation, because it takes an extra 20 Eorzaean minutes to recover the extra 100GP for UE2. But if you have the time and the GP, UE2 is better, on average, by 0.5 HQ per node-spawn.

Different people can rationally choose either option, depending on their situation and tolerance for risk.

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You forgot to add the extra +10% HQ chance of Unearth 1 (which you can use with 700 GP) in the comparison.
Either way, I'm too lazy to do the math myself, but I ve been consistently getting 3 HQs, or 4 when i get a little lucky, per node, so im pretty happy with it!

I also like to know that at least 2 items will be guaranteed HQ, even if RNG screws me over. But in pratical terms, both rotations are pretty solid. When I feel like gambling, I don't even use field mastery II and use that 100 GP somewhere else, lol.

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

I'm planning on use toil again soon on legendary nodes once I hit 700 GP.

This is the rotation imma use -》Toil / Sharp Vision II (100% with 725 gathering) / unearth (+10% HQ) / collect 5 / Deep Vigor + Bountiful Yield

This is a guarateed, 100% RNG free, 2 hq items at least per legendary node (with 5 attempts with at least 18%)

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Just hit 700 with HQ Dzeamel Gratin /grin

My rotation for gathering fron the legendaries: Swing to uncover, SVII, KYII - BYII, Unearth - Leaf turn.

This gives me 5 swings at 100% and 20% to HQ with 3 items a swing and excelent chances that one swing will yeild 3 HQs.

It occurs to me that 700 GP may, under some circumstances, provide a bigger yield.

Consider the Volcanic Rock Salt. You get 5 per swing naturally. King's Yield bumps that to 6 at a cost of 400 GP. KY2 bumps that to 7 at a cost of 500 GP.

By the time you have 700 GP you are 100/15 for gathering/HQ, so you do not need to worry about increasing your gathering chances.

Toil (or a swing to reveal and then Solid Reason) costs 300 GP and let's you take 6 gathering swings at the node. 6x6 is 36, whereas the old standby is 5x7, or 35. So with 700 GP you can increase your take from nodes that naturally provide 5.

Sadly, this does not work out for nodes that naturally provide 3. 5x5 is 25, but 6x4 is only 24. Still, if you are aiming at 700 GP, and you do need to hit up that (or those? Can only think of just this one) ARR node that provides a base of 5 items per swing, you can get more for your troubles this way.