The Inbalance in game is absolutely shocking.

I really really feel like they couldn't care less if I played this game or not.

I wait for a patch and when it comes, Culinarian got absolutely nothing.

It just all feels like the last five months of playing this game have been a total waste of time and money. It's disheartening to see people selling things for 1,000,000 gil for weaver and leatherworker. So why couldn't Culinarian have crafts that people want? It's not hard SE. If your going to give these other classes specialist vanities that they can make, Then us CULINARIANS, ALCHEMISTS, BLACKSMITHS, Who was all left out, Need the exact same.

This game also. Isn't worth the subscription fee. And from this point on I refuse to pay it. Until they start showing us some respect and treating all of us equally, instead of letting other crafts dominate while people like me have been completely left behind. Nothing to craft, Nothing to sell. Taking me absolute weeks selling any food on Moogle except Flint Caviar. And even that is just tedius, I bought heavensward to play... Heavensward... Not ARR!!

Nothing is stopping you from levelling other crafts. Little bit of Gil and some leve quests.

I levelled Cul to make food for myself. Not money.

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Originally Posted by LongsunZhao

I really really feel like they couldn't care less if I played this game or not.

This game also. Isn't worth the subscription fee. And from this point on I refuse to pay it. Until [...]

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Welcome to the MMO concept: where they have you by the balls,; they know you'll be tempted to quit, only to return later. muhahaha

I have my other crafts. How the hell do you think I craft one star food. I wouldn't be doing this without such moves such as Comefort Zone, Etc etc. So please say something constructive.

The point being. I did it to be able to survive in game. I hate fighting, If I don't make gil I don't have anything. So it's how my game works. When they release vanities for Weaver and Leatherworker for 1m gil each. It makes my game look like it's been a waste of time. Why are they getting things, and Culinarian gets absolutely nothing. Tried of being fobbed off with nothing in this game. Only for people to tell me I need this and that. I have every crafter at 60 except Blacksmith, Which is 54 I think. I have blue sets on Culinarian. But none of this is helping without stuff to make. The game is an absolute joke. And I have unsubbed.

This is a problem CUL always had and always will have. You only need food for raiding, so your potential customer is very niche and most raiders can craft the food on their own because it would just be too costly to always buy it on the market board. CUL is not about being able to make money, it's about being able to be self sufficient in a raid or end game crafting environment and this was the case even in ARR.

Everything I had to make money is gone, I had Spiritbonding, Heavensward ruined this. I have food but the market is absolutely saturated with it. I don't know what to do anymore. And I've lost faith. I asked for a "Materia Melding" food that could increase meld rates, this could have helped. Better Desynth foods could have helped. Better Spiritbonding Food could have helped. And we GET NOTHING! Best way for me to get gil now is from RMT's. And this is the truth.

Can't sell Seafood Stew for 100k HQ? I know I sold 3 in 2 hours. I stopped because I can't make them as fast and I need some.

To be fair, there's not a whole lot culinarian can do that's worth enormous sums of gil. Food only lasts 30 minutes (or maybe 10 minutes more with an fc buff), so nobody in their right mind is going to pay 500k for a single piece of food unless it essentially buffs you to the point of pressing an 'i win' button. However, since it does only last 30 minutes, it also creates the additional effect of needing to buy/make more. It's like the iron mining industry in real life. High volume with low margins will still give you high profits. The only question is whether the margin is too low.

It's a little disappointing yes. We had no 2-stars items before this patch so I was hoping we would at least get a few. But we still didn't. OHHH but we had something new : That extra 1-red-scrip recipe that no one will ever craft. Marvelous.

I don' t need to make profit from cooking. I just want challenges just like any other crafts.

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To be fair, there's not a whole lot culinarian can do that's worth enormous sums of gil

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You would be surprised how much I can do a day when I'm dedicating myself to it.

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You would be surprised how much I can do a day when I'm dedicating myself to it.

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I meant stuff like the big glamour things that sell for 10 million or whatever. There aren't any single big ticket items, but there are multiple lesser items

culinarian just got a +40 crit food recipe, which is the best food for most classes

what else do you want?

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I meant stuff like the big glamour things that sell for 10 million or whatever. There aren't any single big ticket items, but there are multiple lesser items

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What glamour is selling for 10 mil? The new stuff is already under 1 mil for the high house and the sky pirate is free falling.

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What glamour is selling for 10 mil? The new stuff is already under 1 mil for the high house and the sky pirate is free falling.

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I was exaggerating (although the Thavnairian Bustier was like that for a while, but not anymore) My point is that culinarian stuff is consumable, but stuff like leatherworker and weaver is permanent. You're probably not going to pay as much for something that lasts 30 minutes compared to something that lasts until you throw it away or upgrade, which may or may not even be possible until the next patch. That's why the profit margin per item is so much less for culinarian. Some industries work on low profit high volume, others work on high profit low volume. However, it does generally sell faster I think. I don't normally make stuff to sell on culinarian though, so this is just my impression of it.

its not like SE set the price for any of that stuff, it was purely a supply and demand scenario.

the supply of food items is really high which means its cheaper to make and so sells at a lower price.

the supply for those other mats was slow at first due to people levelling themselves / airships or retainers to run the rng game of getting them.

plus anyway have you seen the shear amount of mats needed to create some of those items. that alone dictates a high price assuming people are willing to buy it

It's just a constantly evolving game, they aren't going to meet all player's needs or expectations with every patch. I was looking forward to making an Unending Journey book, but that needs a carpenter specialisation which I don't have. But we just adapt and find thing we do want to engage in, instead of asking the game to be tailored to us. If making gil is what you enjoy, it can be done without relying on culinarian, if meals aren't selling well on your world. Maybe that blue gear on your CUL will come in handy later, or right now for making good food to use yourself instead of selling it.

Gathering is more important right now, so many players are trying to make gil to save for 3.2 and the Materia rush... this ultimately cripples prices. For the moment I kinda put my efforts into HQ crafted Materials, not saturate the market and I try to allow competition to keep it healthy. I can make a stack of 99 HQ Adamantite Nuggets but if I put them all on the MB, it will crash... so I do just a few listings.

Gathering all my materials gives me 100% profit, I buy very little, only if it's dirt cheap and it will save me time. Current end-game gathering gear is non-tradable except for the Off-hand which is crafted. If 3.2 has nodes that have high requirements, you can't just buy into it.

Gathering > Crafting for the moment.

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Originally Posted by LongsunZhao

I have every crafter at 60 except Blacksmith, Which is 54 I think. I have blue sets on Culinarian. But none of this is helping without stuff to make. The game is an absolute joke. And I have unsubbed.

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I'm not really sure I follow. If you have most of your classes at level 60, couldn't you simply craft products to sell using your other classes? There are still loads of level 60 and below non star recipes that can earn a decent stream of income. Those items have been my primary source of income for the last 5 months, not 1 star, 2 star, or specialist recipes.

Culi is a long term money maker. Don't sell yourself short. Sell a stack of food at 10K it's a million gill and they will be back for more. Sell a vanity item for a million gil and they will never need it again. Also, you aren't forced to pray to RnGesus for parts that never drop.

the issue with food is the prices , putting food for 10-15k and u will sell it in 10 min , put it for 30k or more and u will sell 1 stack once every other day....if its cheap even raiders that have CUL will buy it to save time , if it cost they wont bother.

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Originally Posted by LongsunZhao

The point being. I did it to be able to survive in game. I hate fighting, If I don't make gil I don't have anything. So it's how my game works. When they release vanities for Weaver and Leatherworker for 1m gil each. It makes my game look like it's been a waste of time. Why are they getting things, and Culinarian gets absolutely nothing. Tried of being fobbed off with nothing in this game. Only for people to tell me I need this and that. I have every crafter at 60 except Blacksmith, Which is 54 I think. I have blue sets on Culinarian. But none of this is helping without stuff to make. The game is an absolute joke. And I have unsubbed.

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Well weaver has always been a big part of the glamour system ever since glamour came out. You said you have other crafts leveled up also so nothing keeping you from making items on other crafts to make gil. Oh and Culinary can make plenty of gil cause it all consumables they sell for less but can make more gil in the long run.

I don't think the real issue is about gils. My major issue with culinarian is that I'm getting the feeling we're always left behind, like our crafts don't matter or are a subjob. Which it is not. We struggle the same way to get our scrips, our mats, to unlock recipes that are exactly on par with other crafts stats-wise.

Yet the situation is that, every craft had new recipes, every craft has something to invest their red scrips on. Every craft earns a nice amount of red-scrips per turn-in.
Whereas any other crafter's turn in would yield about 25/40 red scrips, culinarian gets only 9 (and another recipe gives ONE red scrip, thanks Patch 3.1, was that a joke ?)
One could argue that desynthetizing fish is culinarian's privilege, but it's not. Just like always, we were left behind. Any other craft jobs can desynth their own creations. We couldn't and had to rely /resign ourselves into levelling fishing, if we wanted to try.

But yes, there are a few "easier" materials to get, and yes, this alone could make us be/look a subpar craft. And I don't mind. But if that's the case, the recipes requirements and gear for culinarian should be available accordingly. My culinarian is ready for 2-stars recipes, it's been ready for months. Yet we got nothing. Except 3 specialist recipes (2 of which are utter crap).

So, I'd like to ask SE what comes next ? we're getting a couple 2-stars recipes when other crafts get a dozen triple-star ? Don't forget about us.
I masscraft top-end food for raiders. I need something to feed them with when the next savage floor is released.

Funny enough, as the title of the thread states "It all has to do with balance". Since Alexander Savage is still being tackled by a huge portion of the community who have yet to even clear A3s in some cases, and Echo likely not to arrive until 3.2, if SE released 2star food/pots alongside 3.1 it could have been considered as them nerfing content (which is likely too early for SE).

Food recipes have always been 1 patch behind the other classes. This has been a common trend ever since 3star recipes were released. I think the main issue why CUL is always left behind a cycle is due to Raiding. SE doesnt want to provide too many overpowering options when it comes to Food/Potions. This is the reason we didnt get Max Ethers/Potions until now. It's also the same reason why SE have yet to release any Draconian Poison imo.

CUL and ALC have an advantage over all the other classes in the sence that their recipes never get old (friends who still buy Buttons in a Blanket!). They have a constant supply of materials and customers. Food and Potions have become a requirement to all static members when joining a raid group. They are Essential to progressing through the Raid tiers.

So long story short, the 2star recipes are coming, just 1 patch cycle after the rest of the classes (3.2) in order to prolongue their content as well as prevent balancing issues. When you look at it this way, it starts to make sence why CUL and ALC are always 1 step behind.

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Originally Posted by LongsunZhao

Everything I had to make money is gone, I had Spiritbonding, Heavensward ruined this. I have food but the market is absolutely saturated with it. I don't know what to do anymore. And I've lost faith.

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Oh you're not the only one whose way of making money was ruined. I was earning comfortably making AF augmentation items. With the new update, retainers now give them away like candy. Prices have already dropped more than 50%, and it's only been a week. People barely wanted them to begin with. I don't understand the logic behind saturating the market even more.

Dude what. Culinarian is wildly profitable. You have to make a ton of food but it sells constantly. Yeah, you can make a 20m weaver dreadnought that someone will buy once. Or you can make a 50k meal that someone will buy every half hour.

Widely profitable if I sit there and spend 24 hours a day repeatedly crafting, And it's still no excuse to give us no new crafts and give Leatherworker and Weaver the rest.

The fundermental issue in this game is fun, And to be honest. It's a race between who can be the most bored.

I'm never gonna get a fair crack at this game, I'm always going to be 5-6 steps behind. So whats the point in me even continuing. Just a complete waste of money, and 11 months of my life.

You're never going to get a fair crack in this game that...does absolutely everything in its power to keep the barrier of entry so low that the only way to stay behind is to literally do nothing ever.

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There's no helping you, man. You've been this way for months. You're not happy.

I'm not trolling you when I say you just need to go. You need to stop getting angry over a game that does nothing but try to give everyone something. You need to quit, and this time stay quit, and find another game to play.

At this point, you're done, and you're just dragging everyone else down with you.

Go. Have fun somewhere else. Seriously, you need it.