Am I the only one working on 3.1 relic?

Hi all,
with all the rumours aside about 3.1 relic system.
Does anyone getting ready for this already?

Pre-requisite:
obviously completing the main quest should be but i guess following might be required in the processing getting our relic!

Eso item: it's because it's 1st job specific weapon we get. Not sure if we should upgrade to 210 one 1st.

Zeta Weapon: (Optional) there were many speculation about SE is going to implement something so those who have zeta weapon they could skip few grinding but nothing has been confirmed yet. I am guessing all the pre 3.0 dungeon grinding part will skipped at least.

HM/Ex primal fights: it never have been a pre-requisite for anything. SE being nice about not including any of EX primal fight for any of main story quest nor relic quest but since we built up some ex for a change? I really hope not as i won't be able to clear titan ex with my ping.

24 man Raid: do do a CPR to dying 24 man raid, SE may want to include this as part of relic quest. void arc will probably not going to be included i think.

Airship exploration: I am not sure if this will be required as part of relic requirement. I am not sure if SE would penalise anyone who have only few people in FC.

after 3.0 dungeon grind: i'm sure they will include this including trials...

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All i'm doing at the moment is to get 1st 2 fav job to get Zeta (currenly only one toon has zeta) and get the eso weapon ready.

Any thought?

Relic is 3.15 not 3.1

oh yeah it was typo, it's 3.15!

Yes you are the only one.

Kinda looking forward to doing these since there aren't many items that feel really special. Having to do quests for your Relic / Zodiac / Anima weapons makes them feel special. I have 2 old zeta weapons, that is all the preparation I will ever do. Will give me a head start on 2 anima weapons of my choosing.

Here's my thoughts on the matter. Also, I'm a bit disappointed that the Relic was pushed back, as it was the part of the patch I was most looking forward to. By the time I joined the game, it was late in the 2.xx cycle, so once I reached end game I just didn't see the point in going through that grind, as I was still gearing up everything else with Soldiery and Poetics gear even by the time HW hit, and I still had plenty of content to get to that didn't require a top end weapon. Anyhow, my thoughts in regards to your points.....

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Originally Posted by skyfox

Hi all,
with all the rumours aside about 3.1 relic system.
Does anyone getting ready for this already?

Pre-requisite:
obviously completing the main quest should be but i guess following might be required in the processing getting our relic!

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Almost certainly required....

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Eso item: it's because it's 1st job specific weapon we get. Not sure if we should upgrade to 210 one 1st.

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I find it doubtful that we'll need the ESO weapon to get the relic, and it most certainly won't require the upgrade. SE got to the point that they were making fun of all the rediculous requirements they set up in the past for Relics, and have been actively nerfing the previous ones at every chance they get. I don't see them putting the relic weapon behind an ESO gate that will take you two weeks of capping and then some to unlock. Not unless they remove the ESO cap, which would be a bit soon for that. Same goes for the idea of needing the upgraded one. On top of the previous ESO cap, you need the upgrade materials which currently only drop from Savage. I'm aware that they'll be putting in another method to get said materials, but even then, it seems a bit of a stretch to require you to get the strongest weapon currently in the game before you can start on your relic.....

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Zeta Weapon: (Optional) there were many speculation about SE is going to implement something so those who have zeta weapon they could skip few grinding but nothing has been confirmed yet. I am guessing all the pre 3.0 dungeon grinding part will skipped at least.

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It has been confirmed that those who have a completed version of the previous relic line will be able to trade in said weapon to skip the first stage of a new relic weapon. This trade in can be from any class to any other class, and works on a 1 to 1 ratio. For example, you could trade a PLD Relic in from the previous line to skip the first stage of a DRK Relic from 3.15. You can only do it once per Relic, but can do it for as many times as you have completed 2.xx Relics. HOWEVER, I believe I read somewhere that Yoshi P stated that if you don't already have a 2.xx Relic in progress, then it isn't worth starting a new one to skip the first stage of a 3.15 Relic.....

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HM/Ex primal fights: it never have been a pre-requisite for anything. SE being nice about not including any of EX primal fight for any of main story quest nor relic quest but since we built up some ex for a change? I really hope not as i won't be able to clear titan ex with my ping.

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I doubt it, simply because either they're incredibly difficult when DFing a group, (especial for those of us with latency issues on runs like Titan), or they're pathetically easy when going in as an unsynced pre-formed group. I remember joining a Garuda EX farm a couple of weeks ago, with 1 tank, 1 healer, and four DPS that were all either BRDs or MCH, (I was the lone MCH, as usual). Even with a couple of players missing, and the lowest DPS classes, we were getting in clears in about 2 min. Unless they required you to DF it, it would be pointless to have 2.xx cycle primals, at the very least.....

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24 man Raid: do do a CPR to dying 24 man raid, SE may want to include this as part of relic quest. void arc will probably not going to be included i think.

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This I could actually see, at least as an attempt to revitalize the Crystal Tower trilogy to some extent. Right now LotA, ST, and WoD are as dead as can be.....

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Airship exploration: I am not sure if this will be required as part of relic requirement. I am not sure if SE would penalise anyone who have only few people in FC.

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They absolutely would not require you to do something that couldn't be done solo or in the DF. There's too many players who either aren't in a FC, are in small FCs, or are in a FC that doesn't have airships unlocked. We MIGHT get some of the DF Island Exploration as one of the last stages for the relic, but again, that's content you can DF....

I could be wrong in all these regards, but only time will tell....

I'm surprised most people did not learn from the mistakes the first time with the relic. This just feels like its going to be repeat of how the old relics where obtained for them to be even more useless by march. Also do we need to mention that they will be capped preventing you from progress until further updates? :D And finally *drum roll* By next updates you get weapons that are equally as good as the relic as usual that you can buy from currency xD

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Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

I'm surprised most people did not learn from the mistakes the first time with the relic. This just feels like its going to be repeat of how the old relics where obtained for them to be even more useless by march. Also do we need to mention that they will be capped preventing you from progress until further updates? :D And finally *drum roll* By next updates you get weapons that are equally as good as the relic as usual that you can buy from currency xD

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You just described every single piece of endgame gear ever......

Gamer3427 feel free to look up how FF11 was built up and how other horizontal progressions MMORPGs work :D

In FF11 the relic you had continued to upgrade wich means for example the Excalibur sword could go all the way to 99. Same Sword could continue to evolve and develope with you wich makes things more personal and fun and not making it feel like whatever effort you put into this item made it useless due to the next one. I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games but it wouldn't have hurt SE to continue the same path on the relic :)

I already have the Esoteric weapon, my Zeta and am capped on Law. I'm not going to grind seals or whatever just in case we might need them, so I don't see the point on working on something we know nothing about.

Gonna use my free pass from my Yoichi Bow to get the new bow...
then I may work on either SCH or MCH weapon. Don't know yet.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

You just described every single piece of endgame gear ever......

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That makes me sad :(

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Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

Gamer3427 feel free to look up how FF11 was built up and how other horizontal progressions MMORPGs work :D

In FF11 the relic you had continued to upgrade wich means for example the Excalibur sword could go all the way to 99. Same Sword could continue to evolve and develope with you wich makes things more personal and fun and not making it feel like whatever effort you put into this item made it useless due to the next one. I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games but it wouldn't have hurt SE to continue the same path on the relic :)

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This isn't FFXI.

And yes, OP I plan to work on thee relic as well

OH do you mean working on the relic ahead of time? Like, preparing for it?
Gosh no I'll just wait till it's released. No use in guessing what's needed for it, haha.

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Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

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Hmm. Complaining about relic, wants this to be ffxi, named "Abernath", on Hyperion, an obvious alt with only 1 class unlocked (and not over 30), and in the same fc as Skizzle Abernath.

Good to see you again :P

I haven't seen any of the new relics yet on my server. I guess no one is working on it. It's probably not very fun then I guess.

My server really likes botany though for some reason. Now if there was a relic gardening tool that glowed, I bet they'd be all over that. I know I'd farm for it...literally!

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Originally Posted by Iromi

That makes me sad :(

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Just because it'll be outclassed, doesn't mean it's not worth getting if for nothing else than the experience. We're playing this game to enjoy the game itself, not just to have the best gear that could ever exist. So don't be sad, just see it as the promise that you will be getting even more game time in in the future when it comes time to upgrade..... (:

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Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

Gamer3427 feel free to look up how FF11 was built up and how other horizontal progressions MMORPGs work :D

In FF11 the relic you had continued to upgrade wich means for example the Excalibur sword could go all the way to 99. Same Sword could continue to evolve and develope with you wich makes things more personal and fun and not making it feel like whatever effort you put into this item made it useless due to the next one. I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games but it wouldn't have hurt SE to continue the same path on the relic :)

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I'm fully aware of what horizontal progression is. This game however doesn't have it. I don't know exactly why I would be referring to another game when I make a simple comment about gear on the forums to this game. However, if you look at the way they're handling Relics, they are in fact making sure that your hard work and effort on them will continue to matter for far longer than other gear. All the people who have a completed 2.xx Relic will get to use it to skip the first stage of the 3.15 Relic, thus "upgrading" it to make it relevant again. Yoshi P has said that Relic weapons will always be compatible to the highest end weapons, so the trend will continue with each iteration. It just may take a few months for them to implement it from time to time.....

I'm not going to bother at all, it's just not worth the time and effort under the current paradigm. Roll out whatever the latest currency weapon is and lay it on me.

I completed a zeta because 3.1 was delayed by about a month. Then the new relics got pushed back to 3.15. Oh well.

was it confirmed esotrics are involved in the new relic? or the eso weapons for that matter?

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

was it confirmed esotrics are involved in the new relic? or the eso weapons for that matter?

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No, it wasn't. Yoshida also said that the first step of the Anima weapon was going to be relatively easy and quick, to the point that he doesn't recommend people go out and farm the Zeta for the advantage. I'm 99% sure it won't be related to the Esoteric weapon as that can already be upgraded.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

No, it wasn't. Yoshida also said that the first step of the Anima weapon was going to be relatively easy and quick, to the point that he doesn't recommend people go out and farm the Zeta for the advantage. I'm 99% sure it won't be related to the Esoteric weapon as that can already be upgraded.

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From unofficial translation

New Relic is 3.15: Titled Anima Weapons
-First step will not be difficult
-Yoshi-P himself recommends not to go back and get Zeta and to instead just do the Anima Weapons themselves
-Zeta will have an advantage on the first step
-Advantages for Zeta will not be job-specific to what you completed the zeta on. If you have a BLM Zeta you may still gain an advantage on doing the Dark Knight weapon for example.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...fYTEag/preview

I read a comment where someone said he heard they say it would take around 10 hours to complete the first step. if that's true or not I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

-Advantages for Zeta will not be job-specific to what you completed the zeta on. If you have a BLM Zeta you may still gain an advantage on doing the Dark Knight weapon for example.

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Ty for this information.I main Blm in 2.0 and now Mnk in 3.0 and I only have 1 relic,Blm zeta.its good to know that I can use this old blm zeta for my mnk instead of putting it in retainer's inventory forever ..

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Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

Gamer3427 feel free to look up how FF11 was built up and how other horizontal progressions MMORPGs work :D

In FF11 the relic you had continued to upgrade wich means for example the Excalibur sword could go all the way to 99. Same Sword could continue to evolve and develope with you wich makes things more personal and fun and not making it feel like whatever effort you put into this item made it useless due to the next one. I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games but it wouldn't have hurt SE to continue the same path on the relic :)

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But, it took years to get your relic in XI, and then it was made obsolete.
I wasn't around for the most recent couple of years but I know that it was a bit of heartbreak.

I agree that our gear (tomestones) inspires little pride because it will get cycled out soon enough, but XI, like all MMOS had it's flaws too.

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Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

nope

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The second someone mentions XI is the instant when I stop reading their posts.

This isn't XI. It will never be XI. Anything you have to say about XI is irrelevant. Move on.

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Originally Posted by Niqote

But, it took years to get your relic in XI, and then it was made obsolete.

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Actually, no. The relic in XI never became obsolete. Even now, with FFXI winding down to its conclusion, the relic weapons STILL are not obsolete. SE made sure to add (very grindy) quests to allow Relic-holders to continue to upgrade their relics to keep them ahead of the curve. Even now, a fully-upgraded Relic, Mythic, or Empyrion is a big step ahead of any other weapon of its type. In some cases, relics that USED to be of limited use to their job (like Claustrum, a BLM weapon with no useful BLM stats) are now packed with job-appropriate goodness.

I'm a bit puzzled about Gamer3427, though, as the odd thing is that Relics in this game ALSO evolve by way of grindy quests. The only difference is that instead of remaining the best weapons, they remain the second best weapons at each stage. Relics are pretty much the only bit of "horizontal progression" this game allows, and since Gamer seems to be a fan of Horizontal progression, it makes them an odd choice of targets for his ire.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

SE made sure to add (very grindy) quests to allow Relic-holders to continue to upgrade their relics to keep them ahead of the curve.

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They only did this after a huge outcry, though. Their original intent with the new expansion had been to obsolete everything prior (they wanted to move the game to a more modern and vertical system for gear).

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Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

I should not be comparing games because FF11 and FF14 are two different games

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You should've just stopped there.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

Hmm. Complaining about relic, wants this to be ffxi, named "Abernath", on Hyperion, an obvious alt with only 1 class unlocked (and not over 30), and in the same fc as Skizzle Abernath.

Good to see you again :P

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Lol, good find.

The relic quests in 2.X were almost always designed to keep content alive that otherwise would dry up.

Atma farming led to people running fates in zones that hadn't seen much in the way of fate parties. This was a boon to new players leveling up in that zone, as they would find more experienced players to team up with. None of the hot zones for fate running (south shroud, eastern la noscea, coethas, northern thanalan) were included in the atma grind.

Animus stage made players run specific dungeons. This meant that low level dungeons continued to have experienced level cap players supporting new players in their runs, while obsolete high level dungeons also continued to have ample people queuing up in duty finder.

Both the basic relic and the zodiac upgrade required some help from crafters, to keep that part of the game relevant as well.

So... What content is currently dead and in need of player support?

The new relic quest will probably be used to boost fate running in neglected 3.0 zones. Sea of Clouds, Dravanian Forelands, and Ays Lla all could use a boost in fate participation.

Crystal Tower could also use some love, but I fear that gating the relic weapon behind the 24 man raid isn't enough to keep CT alive. The number of people working on 3.0 relic will dry up some day, making a CT phase an impossible barrier in the future if a better solution isn't found.

Then you have to consider that crafting specialization hasn't worked the way SE wanted, and they've hinted at creating "specialization only recipes". Gating the relic questline behind this is essentially the same as gating it behind desnythesis (zodiac phase), because you can only choose 3 crafts to specialize in.

So... of the content that needs a participation boost sometime in the future, crafting is the only one I can picture players "preparing" for. Level crafting yourself, or become friends with people who have chosen a range of specializations.

The rest won't be added until 3.15, so we can only wait.

Made just for you bro.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I'm a bit puzzled about Gamer3427, though, as the odd thing is that Relics in this game ALSO evolve by way of grindy quests... ...Relics are pretty much the only bit of "horizontal progression" this game allows, and since Gamer seems to be a fan of Horizontal progression, it makes them an odd choice of targets for his ire.

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I never once said anything bad about the Relics, and it was the part of 3.1 I was most looking forward to prior to it being pushed to 3.15. My one comment that could have been interpenetrated against them was joking about how Fizzle was claiming they were useless because they'd be outclassed in time, while that's exactly the case with every piece of gear. I later pointed out in my reply comment to him talking about horizontal progression that the Relics are the only piece of content that doesn't stay outclassed......

my theory is that having a zeta will let you skip the first step. which i believe is gonna be similar to the first relic in which you do a series of tasks before you can actually use it.

Wow Thanks guys!
There are heaps of new informations I didn't know about!
Well i'm still going to work on my 2nd zeta as i want it for vanity + i got absolutely nothing to do apart from doing Neverdep and fractal daily.
And I don't want to try other MMO. i will die with FF series!!

Regards,

Sam

Trying to get past the books for my other 8 Relics... I'm only close to Book 2 done for WAR, but I don't have the motive to work on it as much. I'm a little drained especially while working on leveling my DRK to 60 and leveling my Crafting Classes (which takes a while).

I kinda wish it WASN'T 9 Books for each weapon... maybe 4 Books and each book focusing on one type (example: One book focuses on 15 Fates and other Book focuses on 15 dungeons). I mean it's progress, but it feels so long to do, but I want to finish them for the Glamour as well as skipping some of the steps for the Anima Weapons. I already gotten all 600 Alexandrites ready and working on the Sacred Spring Water (which I got about 8 left) and 16 Bombard Cores... which they NEED to reduce the price of those from 20k Seals to 10k.

Hopefully with gaining Light unsynced well make it a tad faster with the Light Gain from the weapons.

Im trying to get the old ones done before the new one comes, Im on the book part, book1

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Lets all quit fooling ourselves.

Skipping the first phase of the new relic is going to be equitable to skipping the Zenith stage of the 2.0 weapon.

It's not going to be that Huge of a boost.

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Who's fooling themselves exactly? We already know that the first step is going to be easy, as said by Yoshida in the most recent Live Letter.