Turbo Gamepads = A Crafter's Best Friend

Thank you, SE, for streamlining crafting to the point where you can hit X/enter nonstop for hours and get a lot of crafting done.

I'm gonna pick up a turbo controller today, fish up a shit ton of fish for alchemy, tape my X button down, ???, and profit.

/notajoke

I don't think tape counts as a third party program! You're good! Go go gadget third-party-household-appliance!

I, myself, might use one of those drinking birds to hit my enter button.

I bury my controller under a plate of spaghetti and let my fat roommate dig in. Every time his fork hits the X button I smile.

It's not really all that efficient to do it that way. If you would pay a little attention - and I do mean only a little, I watch netflix while crafting all the time - you can work synths that are cheaper and have a much higher sp reward, and rank up much faster. Mindlessly smacking the button only is really effective if you are doing low-level synths in my experience, not really rewarding.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

It's not really all that efficient to do it that way. If you would pay a little attention - and I do mean only a little, I watch netflix while crafting all the time - you can work synths that are cheaper and have a much higher sp reward, and rank up much faster. Mindlessly smacking the button only is really effective if you are doing low-level synths in my experience, not really rewarding.

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What's faster, paying attention (even a little) for 3-5 hours after work and getting more exp as you say. Or farming enough mats going to work for 8-10 hours while it auto crafts for you, coming home and seeing all the exp you got for being at work. Then when you come home you can do something "fun" instead of spamming X X X X X X X X X

Huh? What did I say that makes you think this way isn't efficient? First of all, I'm spending ZERO gil for mats (the fish), leveling my fisher in the process, and the synths have a high success rate and net me about 500xp per pop.

Why should I have to pay any attention once I get the crafting ball rolling?

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Originally Posted by miqokini

Huh? What did I say that makes you think this way isn't efficient? First of all, I'm spending ZERO gil for mats (the fish), leveling my fisher in the process, and the synths have a high success rate and net me about 500xp per pop.

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On a synth that gets you 500xp, I would really take a hard look at the failure rate of mindlessly spamming the button instead of using abilities. I've noticed that - when I have done similar tests - my failure rate is generally high enough to make it worth the additional effort to actually use abilities and get a higher rate of successes.

Re: the mats not costing you gil, yes they absolutely do. The shards and fish take time to farm and represent a financial loss for you when you use them. Now, you probably break even or do well after selling your results, so I don't know what the overall rate is. But it ain't free in terms of time or money.

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Why should I have to pay any attention once I get the crafting ball rolling?

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I personally believe the game should ensure you are unable to do this. If you're not paying attention - or as the other person posted, even PRESENT - you're not playing the game; you're exploiting the game. Might as well just load up a crafting bot and cheat for real.

nice home-made crafting bot right there ! :)

I hope this thread shows (through sarcasm or not) that SE really needs to make crafting more involved =/ Somethin more like EQ2's crafting system, at least.

And this is different from botting how?

Posted my feelings about this in another thread. Basically, anything that lets you progress while AFK is a poorly designed mechanic.

This isn't botting, cheating, or exploiting. Honestly, if it never crossed their minds that making it so all you have to do is press X would warrant a shit ton of people to use turbo gamepads, then they are COMPLETE morons.

Its not a bad idea. To each his own i sapose. I think you should play the game how you want, and from what I see you are. So keep it up, and thanks for the info. I may try something similar sometime, keep up the good work

As long as it dosnt violate ToS SE dosnt care,
Odds are they know this, but really... do you think they care if you find a way to make lvling easier for you... answer is no. they could care less its a game... start treating it like one lol

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Originally Posted by miqokini

This isn't botting, cheating, or exploiting. Honestly, if it never crossed their minds that making it so all you have to do is press X would warrant a shit ton of people to use turbo gamepads, then they are COMPLETE morons.

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It absolutely is exploiting and borders on cheating. You are proposing leveling up in the game without doing any work to do so. There's no difference between that and botting. The fact that you outsource your bot to a piece of hardware is immaterial, as is your opinion of the Devs - who clearly underestimated the lengths that some people are willing to go to in order to skip having to do actual work to progress in this game.

I'd love to see a system where once an hour, you were forced to stop crafting for a minute or so to stretch your legs...

That makes me think... what's the difference between the turbo pad and a macro that spams enter and an auto-click program?

What is considered 3rd party software?

Isn't the Turbo pad just software that keeps hitting enter, the same as a macro programmed to hit enter, the same as an auto-click program that keeps hitting enter?

It is a bad idea. Playing the way you want and letting the game play itself are 2 completely different things.

There is no difference between botting and using a turbo controller to afk level crafts. And here I thought people were against botting..

Basically, "performing actions while not at the game / not able to respond to GMs" is what's against the ToS. Whether you do it with a macro keyboard, a bot, or a turbo controller and rubber band, it's all the same violation. Of course, nobody's going to get banned for this since no non-RMT craft botter I know has ever been banned yet. If you want to use turbo while you're actually at the computer doing homework or something that's fine, just know you're crossing "the line" if you leave it on while you AFK.

The point you guys are missing is that SE purposely made this doable by placing the cursor at the RECIPE menu rather than at REQUESTED ITEMS. With the old set-up, you had to press down after each synth, which made mashing the X button useless. This required you to use a bot if you wanted to craft while AFK. The difference between the bot and a turbo controller is that the bot would carry out complex actions. There is nothing complex about using a turbo controller, and they've been around for AGES.

Therefore, SE must have known people would do this and they don't care, or they are simply incompetent.

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Originally Posted by miqokini

The point you guys are missing is that SE purposely made this doable by placing the cursor at the RECIPE menu rather than at REQUESTED ITEMS. With the old set-up, you had to press down after each synth, which made mashing the X button useless. This required you to use a bot if you wanted to craft while AFK. The difference between the bot and a turbo controller is that the bot would carry out complex actions. There is nothing complex about using a turbo controller, and they've been around for AGES.

Therefore, SE must have known people would do this and they don't care, or they are simply incompetent.

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I think everyone's well aware of what changes were made in 1.19 to allow turbo controllers to afk level crafts.

Regardless, it's a broken system if we're allowed to level any class while afk.

I think the official FFXIV controller has a turbo button, i'm not sure though (and i have one that i don't use)

You people and your damn morals...

Well, I'll be enjoying it while it lasts.

With how prolific botting already is, it's kind of sad to admit that this just "levels the playing field" more than anything. This is what happens when you release a game that's 99% about tedious grinding. Either put a CAPTCHA up every so often or redesign the system so it's more than just a mindless bottable/turboable/watchmoviesable grind.

A little broken, but then again FFXIV has tons of changes... I wouldnt be so surprised if closer to the PS3 Launch or when they start charging for the game. they do away with the ease of this. Remember this set up need not be permanent. I sorta agree with the above post about how being AFK is bad. but if you just dont wanna hit the x button. go right ahead theres plenty of Manga and Anime i could watch inbetween crafts

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Originally Posted by Raikki

With how prolific botting already is, it's kind of sad to admit that this just "levels the playing field" more than anything. This is what happens when you release a game that's 99% about tedious grinding. Either put a CAPTCHA up every so often or redesign the system so it's more than just a mindless bottable/turboable/watchmoviesable grind.

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Don't get me wrong. I completely agree with you. Which is why I'm not going to waste away hours of my life doing something so tedious that it could make you go mental. I'd much prefer an intuitive, immersive crafting system. But it just simply does not exist.

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Originally Posted by miqokini

Don't get me wrong. I completely agree with you. Which is why I'm not going to waste away hours of my life doing something so tedious that it could make you go mental. I'd much prefer an intuitive, immersive crafting system. But it just simply does not exist.

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I'm not really a fan of the "choose materials from the inventory until you get a workable combo and then grind at it for EXP" system AT ALL, but unfortunately, there isn't any other option to make crafting a legitimate class that is advanced by EXP.

I think it's ridiculous.

I would much prefer to level a craft by taking part in long quests; visiting places and talking to people who would teach me techniques/abilities and recipes that I'd use to solve their problems and gain access to recipe books as a reward. There'd be no level this, rank that, success for this or that... etc.

You'd just quest your ass off in whatever direction you found most useful (or in all directions if you were a perfectionist) and when you wanted to make something you'd just open your recipe book, find the item, choose it, have the game do an inventory check to make sure you had the mats, and away you go.

There'd be recipe books full of usual stuff, and then individual hard-earned recipes you had to go out and find to gain access to.

Even the current synth process would be bearable if you only had to do it to make an item instead of grind bullsh!t gimme-recipes for exp.

But, I digress. It's impossible. The entire level system and repair mechanic would collapse.

UNLESS WE GOT RID OF GEAR DAMAGE, TOO! Oh, man....

/callfrorrevolution

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Originally Posted by miqokini

You people and your damn morals...

Well, I'll be enjoying it while it lasts.

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Well said! As will others and I.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

With how prolific botting already is, it's kind of sad to admit that this just "levels the playing field" more than anything. This is what happens when you release a game that's 99% about tedious grinding. Either put a CAPTCHA up every so often or redesign the system so it's more than just a mindless bottable/turboable/watchmoviesable grind.

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Runescape had a captcha code required everytime you needed to recover from fatigue for a few months, then people made a program that streamed the captcha and displayed it to a chat room for hundreds of other players to try and type in first to get a good ratio of using and answering. Worked so well that jagex had to think of a new system lol.

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Originally Posted by Treach

Runescape had a captcha code required everytime you needed to recover from fatigue for a few months, then people made a program that streamed the captcha and displayed it to a chat room for hundreds of other players to try and type in first to get a good ratio of using and answering. Worked so well that jagex had to think of a new system lol.

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That is epicly hilarious. Seriously though, SE should know by now, ESPECIALLY when working with MMOs, that you have to think like the player. And players will go to ridiculous ends in order to cheat a system. Which, again, leaves me to believe that they had to know people would be using turbo controllers. I mean, come ON!

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I'm not really a fan of the "choose materials from the inventory until you get a workable combo and then grind at it for EXP" system AT ALL, but unfortunately, there isn't any other option to make crafting a legitimate class that is advanced by EXP.

I think it's ridiculous.

I would much prefer to level a craft by taking part in long quests; visiting places and talking to people who would teach me techniques/abilities and recipes that I'd use to solve their problems and gain access to recipe books as a reward. There'd be no level this, rank that, success for this or that... etc.

You'd just quest your ass off in whatever direction you found most useful (or in all directions if you were a perfectionist) and when you wanted to make something you'd just open your recipe book, find the item, choose it, have the game do an inventory check to make sure you had the mats, and away you go.

There'd be recipe books full of usual stuff, and then individual hard-earned recipes you had to go out and find to gain access to.

Even the current synth process would be bearable if you only had to do it to make an item instead of grind bullsh!t gimme-recipes for exp.

But, I digress. It's impossible. The entire level system and repair mechanic would collapse.

UNLESS WE GOT RID OF GEAR DAMAGE, TOO! Oh, man....

/callfrorrevolution

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or they could just have the type of quests your talking about give but loads of exp, and add certain recipes unlocked via quests, or maybe teirs unlocked by quests. Then you have either option

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

It is a bad idea. Playing the way you want and letting the game play itself are 2 completely different things.

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Agreed. They are as different as playing the game the way you want and playing it the way you are forced to. Here are your crafting options:

Normal Synthesis - pretty random, but reasonable chance of success.
Rapid Synthesis - poor chance of success, comparitively.
Careful Synthesis - abysmal chance of success.
Wait - Changes the chance of success, anywhere from tolerable to abysmal.

People don't spam Normal Synthesis because they're lazy - they do it because it's the best chance to finish a synth. Careful and Rapid are terrible methods unless you're sufficiently above the level of the recipe.. meaning it's no good for leveling. The difference in chance that Wait provides isn't enough to make up for the increasingly lowered durability, which gains no progress. That is, failing an attempt and losing maybe 10 or 12 durability gaining 10% progress is way better than waiting 3 times for the material to stabilize, losing 5 durability for no progress, particularly when your waiting still results in a failed attempt, losing even more durability for little progress.

The logical conclusion to all of this is just sit there and press Enter repeatedly. And really, what is the difference between that and botting, other than carpal tunnel?

Now, I don't bot, and I don't use this turbo controller method. But the controller method seems more and more attractive every time I have to distract myself from the frustratingly random results of actually trying to make real choices while crafting, and just Enter-spam.

I could use a turbo gamepad. lol I should have a shitload of leves on my alternate now to work on clothcraft. (One of two crafts my main doesn't even have yet. xD)

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The difference in chance that Wait provides isn't enough to make up for the increasingly lowered durability, which gains no progress.

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Wow, I really disagree with this. Many times, hitting wait just once will get you a solid white sphere and a much greater chance of success. Using wait effectively is the key to effective synthing, I use it constantly.

Hello and thank you for posting!

I am going to close this thread as there have been other topics of this similar nature. Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and your concerns will be passed on.

Thank you and have a nice day.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka