3.1 First update without a new primal?

As far as i have seen this is going to be the first update without a primal fight? I mean comon this update is releasing in 2-3 weeks and we haven't seen any information about it yet.

The only speculation is about a extreme trial Singularity Reactor. But nothing about a new one.

I would be dissapointed if this would be the only trial/primal boss of the new update because i have a feeling the new update is a bit lacking in content already with 1 dungeon less.

Again its all speculation and we will have to see.

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Originally Posted by Beradon

As far as i have seen this is going to be the first update without a primal fight? I mean comon this update is releasing in 2-3 weeks and we haven't seen any information about it yet.

The only speculation is about a extreme trial Singularity Reactor. But nothing about a new one.

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They said that the new primal would be teased during the anniversary event. Two phrases were dropped in the developer's room; Singularity Reactor Extreme and Doomtrain minion. While an extreme version of singularity reactor isn't really a "new primal" and wouldn't fit into the 3.1 main story quest, Doomtrain certainly would fit.

Now, why they haven't advertised a Doomtrain fight, I have no idea. You think if they were planning it, they'd use it as a selling point of the patch. For that matter, they've never clarified if we would really be facing off against the Warring Triad during this expansion. The name was dropped, sure, but so was Omega Weapon back in 2.2.

So far I know about 2 dungeons, Airship Voyage (which seems to be the biggest content of 3.1), Lord of Verminion, Void Ark and a new relic.

Doesn't seem lacking compared to old patches at all.

Gaius EX better be in it or I'm gonna MCH Limit Break 3 the studio

I'm with Tom, we're getting alot from the next update. Two unique dungeons with their own set of gear, a unique 'casual' raid with it's own set of gear, exploring the unique islands unlocked through the company airship and very likely it's own set of gear via crafting, minion battling at the Saucer as well as maybe a parsing mini-game (just a rumor, don't take it to heart). That's alot of work by itself and yet the rage over not having a primal?...

Knights of the Round (ex) would be nice ^^

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

So far I know about 2 dungeons, Airship Voyage (which seems to be the biggest content of 3.1), Lord of Verminion, Void Ark and a new relic.

Doesn't seem lacking compared to old patches at all.

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Just off the top of my head:

2.1:
Gex
Tex
Ifrit ex
Ultima Ex
Moogle HM
CT
Wolves den
Treasure hunts
FC housing
Pharos Sirius
Hakkue Manor HM
Copper Bell Mines HM
aesthetician

3.1:
Doom Train (speculated)
Singularity Reactor Ex
Void ark
pharos Sirius HM
island exploration
lord of verminion

Seems like there is a lot lacking.

For everyone saying its a lot of content, while I agree, I will compare it to patch 2.3 (which came out after a 3 month patch cycle not 5, so old content was still being done), we got 3 dungeons, Ramuh HM and EX, Hildibrand, Syrcus tower, Hunts, Frontlines, and Desynth. and not to mention 2.1 which brought 3 EX primals (granted of existing bosses, but isn't that what SR EX is?) and moggle mog, I feel like the absence of a primal (or much midcore content at all really) would be felt

Edit: Zosia beat me to it haha

They gave massive hints that we might be getting the Singularity Reactor (hard) from the Wandering Minstrel.

there might be 2 ex primals, doomtrain and tordan

I wouldn't really count Ifrit Extreme and King Moggle Mog as those were fights introduce late into 1.0. I still have my keystones from that earlier King Moggle Mog unlock. Further, the delay of 3.1 wasn't intentional, they took a much deserved vacation which pushed the update release back. I mean, they'd just launched Heavensward not a month or two prior and spent time after fixing bugs that escaped testing. People need to relax about this stuff. We still don't know the full breadth of the update, and they've not really revealed everything that's going to be in it. We won't know till the update is released and they post up the patch notes. Talking is fine as long as we curb the unrest.

Just hoping here that Singularity HM/EX doesn't have gear that makes it dead on arrival like Ultima.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Just hoping here that Singularity HM/EX doesn't have gear that makes it dead on arrival like Ultima.

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Totally expect it.

If you want 210 gear outside of savage, you will have to do the ever so challenging void ark!

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

I wouldn't really count Ifrit Extreme and King Moggle Mog as those were fights introduce late into 1.0. I still have my keystones from that earlier King Moggle Mog unlock. Further, the delay of 3.1 wasn't intentional, they took a much deserved vacation which pushed the update release back. I mean, they'd just launched Heavensward not a month or two prior and spent time after fixing bugs that escaped testing. People need to relax about this stuff. We still don't know the full breadth of the update, and they've not really revealed everything that's going to be in it. We won't know till the update is released and they post up the patch notes. Talking is fine as long as we curb the unrest.

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I don't see how a normal 1-2 week vacation could push a patch back by 2 months, especially with what appears to be a meager offering of content. If it was a longer vacation than 2 weeks, then it was stupid of them to take such a long break without any form of coverage. Stop making excuses for the Dev team. They dropped the ball and they need to know they messed up.

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Originally Posted by zosia

I don't see how a normal 1-2 vacation could push a patch back by 2 months, especially with what appears to be a meager offering of content. If it was a longer vacation than 2 weeks, then it was stupid of them to take such a long break without any form of coverage. Stop making excuses for the Dev team. They dropped the ball and they need to know they messed up.

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The least they could have done would be to have added in the level 50 dungeon exp since we've had such a long, long delay instead of waiting until 3.1 to put it in.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

I wouldn't really count Ifrit Extreme and King Moggle Mog as those were fights introduce late into 1.0. I still have my keystones from that earlier King Moggle Mog unlock.

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You probably noticed that while the assets are the same, 2.0 is a completely different game, those fights still needed to be designed, coded, and tested to make sure that they are fit for release, if that's your argument then SR Ex shouldn't count because we got SR in 3.0

Given that you have literally no idea what level of depth might be involved in the new island exploration and boss monsters that would dwell in these areas it would be foolish to say they are not releasing enough content in this patch. Also new relic quest is starting as well.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Given that you have literally no idea what level of depth might be involved in the new island exploration and boss monsters that would dwell in these areas it would be foolish to say they are not releasing enough content in this patch. Also new relic quest is starting as well.

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The relic quest is going to be some half-assed grind with a shoddy story, not exactly what I'd consider meaningful content.

Wel i agree with Zobia. as u compare all the content we got from 2.1-2.5 i just feel this update is maybe lacking a bit. again i said this is all speculation but we will just have to see. and if we are also missing a dungeon i just hope that this update gets atleast a NEW primal/Trial aswell. Doomtrain would be so awesome :P

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Given that you have literally no idea what level of depth might be involved in the new island exploration and boss monsters that would dwell in these areas it would be foolish to say they are not releasing enough content in this patch. Also new relic quest is starting as well.

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It's their job to convince us our monthly subscription is worth it and that the upcoming content is also worth paying for. Saying that we "have literally no idea" is indicative of the problem between the extended delay and their lack of selling the continued worth of this game. Any lack of consumer confidence is their failure, not ours.

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Originally Posted by zosia

Just off the top of my head:

2.1:
Gex
Tex
Ifrit ex
Ultima Ex
Moogle HM
CT
Wolves den
Treasure hunts
FC housing
Pharos Sirius
Hakkue Manor HM
Copper Bell Mines HM
aesthetician
Amalj'aa and Sylph dailies

3.1:
Doom Train (speculated)
Singularity Reactor Ex
Void ark
Saint Mocianne's Arboretum
pharos Sirius HM
island exploration
lord of verminion
new Relics
Vanu Vanu Dailies
a new series of side quests similar to the Mail Mog ones (Saint Endalim Scholasticate)
possibly the training area? not sure if that was pushed back from 3.1 or not

Seems like there is a lot lacking.

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Fixed that for you, with some things you forgot... Though I'm not too sure how you could consider something like Wolves' Den or the Aesthetician to be considered significant content... Or Housing, for how many people simply don't have access to that... May as well consider Housing reclamation significant in that case...

Anyway, the update isn't next week, we've still got a few more previews to get through... Plus, as with most things, it's about quality, not quantity... I would value the Sky Exploration stuff over pretty much everything 2.1 offered, provided they don't royally screw it up... Heck, I'm already jokingly saying that Final Fantasy XIVs main selling point is Lord of Verminion... That just looks fun...

Then there are all the adjustments to existing content... They mentioned adjustments to Chocobo Racing I believe, and like Wolves' Den I'd consider that to be dead on arrival, so hopefully 3.1 can actually raise it to a reasonable standard.

We know for sure that Doom Train is coming as Yoshi clearly hint it during the Anniversary event room. The only thing we don't know is when is coming. It may come in 3.2 and not now. He said he will reveal the next Primal during the event and it came to be Doom Train. I think we won't see a new primal now. I really wonder why no info yet except if Yoshi want's to surprise us and kept it a secret of the last moment.

"significant" is something that you decide on ur own while I want 3.1 I would rather want the pvp patch 3.2 since I'm more into pvp ^

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

"significant" is something that you decide on ur own while I want 3.1 I would rather want the pvp patch 3.2 since I'm more into pvp ^

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<Obtains all their tomestones from Seal Rock, not leeching either, Frontlines is what's saving this game for me at the moment.

That said, Wolves' Den was horribly balanced in 2.1 and it was an insane grind, never mind the fact that it was something for a small minority of the player base. Wolves' Den may have been added in 2.1, but I'd consider it to be something that was completed at a later date, sadly that resulted in the queues being pretty much dead on some data centers... Part of the reason I'd say 3.2 is the Wolves' Den update, even if 2.1 added the place, though that depends on how well they improve it...

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Originally Posted by Colorful

The relic quest is going to be some half-assed grind with a shoddy story, not exactly what I'd consider meaningful content.

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and yet tons and tons of players are going to do it anyway, so its still content that will be done by the playerbase. You cant just assume its going to be stupid and then disregard it as incoming game content, its still something for the players to do

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Fixed that for you, with some things you forgot... Though I'm not too sure how you could consider something like Wolves' Den or the Aesthetician to be considered significant content... Or Housing, for how many people simply don't have access to that...

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wolves den was fun content when it was first released. Just because you did not like pvp then doesn't mean other people didn't. Same with housing. Wards were not full on day 1, if you wanted a house back then, you could buy one. The training area is just conjecture at this point and 3-4 quests of the moogle mail series caliber are hardly content. You can finish 3-4 of those quests, reading all the cut scenes, within an hour.

It was off the top of my head, so of course I forgot stuff. Nice try at being snide tho. The Amalj'aa and Sylph were two beats tribes, we are only getting one in 3.1. Why didn't we get the gnath too?

We had more content for less dev time in 2.1 than we have in 3.1. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by LazyC

and yet tons and tons of players are going to do it anyway, so its still content that will be done by the playerbase. You cant just assume its going to be stupid and then disregard it as incoming game content, its still something for the players to do

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Yes, they're going to do it due to the lack of meaningful content. I never said it was "stupid", nor did I say I was disregarding it, I'm simply stating that it shouldn't be considered something special. The person was listing off content, the last few relic steps have probably taken less than a half a week to develop, most of them don't even have new weapon models.

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Originally Posted by zosia

wolves den was fun content when it was first released. Just because you don't like pvp doesn't mean other people didn't.

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1) I PvP more than anything else in this game.

2) Wolves' Den was horrendous when it was first launched. When it was first launched;

AP was used to unlock PvP Actions, meaning you had none at the start.
PvP EXP was rewarded in very small amounts, and you required a lot of it to get anywhere.
You weren't matched up with equal Ranks, so a Rank 30 with full PvP gear and useful PvP Actions could go up against a party of novices.
Morale was just hideously overpowered, complicating the above point.

It was basically fun until the win traders ruined it for everyone a week later and basically killed the queues to this day, there's a reason 3.2 is required to fix the place...

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Originally Posted by zosia

It was off the top of my head, so of course I forgot stuff. Nice try at being snide tho. The Amalj'aa and Sylph were two beats tribes, we are only getting one in 3.1. Why didn't we get the gnath too?

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Well, I wasn't trying to be snide, but your attitude is certainly appreciated, I was merely pointing out content you'd missed off (for 2.1 as well) to clarify the list... As for Gnath Dailies... I'd say we're getting Vanu Vanu and Saint Endalim Scholasticate as a fair trade off...

Like I said though, quantity =/= quality, something like Sky Exploration is arguably worth far more than stuff like Treasure Maps and the Aesthetician, and it's certainly something everyone can do, where as only 1% of the population ever had a chance of owning a House.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

1) I PvP more than anything else in this game.

2) Wolves' Den was horrendous when it was first launched. When it was first launched;

AP was used to unlock PvP Actions, meaning you had none at the start.
PvP EXP was rewarded in very small amounts, and you required a lot of it to get anywhere.
You weren't matched up with equal Ranks, so a Rank 30 with full PvP gear and useful PvP Actions could go up against a party of novices.
Morale was just hideously overpowered, complicating the above point.

It was basically fun until the win traders ruined it for everyone and basically killed the queues to this day, there's a reason 3.2 is required to fix the place...

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1) I don't care if you PvP now

2) It turned out bad, but when it was first launched it was very fun. You're using the aftermath of 2.1 wolves den to justify it as it being non-noteworthy content to include in this comparison. That is a bad justification.

It was still content that SE released in 2.1. Just admit it, SE has had more time with 3.1 and it's coming with less content than 2.1 had. The facts are not on your side.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

1) I PvP more than anything else in this game.

2) Wolves' Den was horrendous when it was first launched. When it was first launched;

AP was used to unlock PvP Actions, meaning you had none at the start.
PvP EXP was rewarded in very small amounts, and you required a lot of it to get anywhere.
You weren't matched up with equal Ranks, so a Rank 30 with full PvP gear and useful PvP Actions could go up against a party of novices.
Morale was just hideously overpowered, complicating the above point.

It was basically fun until the win traders ruined it for everyone and basically killed the queues to this day, there's a reason 3.2 is required to fix the place...

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No matter how WD worked out, it introduced PVP to the game. That alone meant they had to add new mechanics, along with other changes (new skills, leveling system, gear, areas, skill changes) JUST for the pvp they introduced. It was a BIG change in a patch that included multiple BIG changes.

Again, this is about quality verses quantity...

Yes 2.1 added Wolves' Den, but it was of such utterly terrible quality that they might as well have held it back until they realized how terrible Morale was. Yes 2.1 added Housing, but its introduction was meant with much rage, rather than fanfare, off the prices alone, never mind the obvious supply/demand issue that is still a problem.

2.1 had quantity, I've never denied that, but what it lacked for a fair few of its pieces of content, was quality. So far, based off 2.0~2.55, I have no reason to doubt the quality of most of 3.1 content. Lord of Verminion alone seems more enjoyable than anything 2.1 offered, and Sky Exploration certainly has some potential. I mean really, 3.1 is adding an entire new zone with Sky Exploration, would you really quantify that in the same level as the Aesthetician?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Again, this is about quality verses quantity...Yes 2.1 added Wolves' Den, but it was of such utterly terrible quality that they might as well have held it back until they realized how terrible Morale was. Yes 2.1 added Housing, but its introduction was meant with much rage, rather than fanfare, off the prices alone, never mind the obvious supply/demand issue that is still a problem.

2.1 had quantity, I've never denied that, but what it lacked for a fair few of its pieces of content, was quality. So far, based off 2.0~2.55, I have no reason to doubt the quality of most of 3.1 content. Lord of Verminion alone seems more enjoyable than anything 2.1 offered, and Sky Exploration certainly has some potential. I mean really, 3.1 is adding an entire new zone with Sky Exploration, would you really quantify that in the same level as the Aesthetician?

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Quality is subjective. The prices of housing were high, but there was no demand problem. People got over the housing prices after they were adjusted. The supply problme of housing was not an issue throughout 2.1. Wolves den, like blazer said:

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No matter how WD worked out, it introduced PVP to the game. That alone meant they had to add new mechanics, along with other changes (new skills, leveling system, gear, areas, skill changes) JUST for the pvp they introduced. It was a BIG change in a patch that included multiple BIG changes.

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So, I won't belabor that point much further. WD added a lot to the game, it was a major amount of content.

Lord of verminion has a very high chance of ending up just like the rest of the gold saucer attractions: minigames no one cares about after having X amount of MPG. Every instance, dungeon, and encounter comes with a "new zone," so that point seems equally moot, especially since the zone is just more of the same assets we have already seen. Also, spare me this point of taking one of the biggest features of 3.1 and comparing it to the smallest feature of 2.1.

3.1 has less trials
3.1 has less dunegons
3.1 has less misc. content

you don't even need to drag pvp or housing into this to still prove my point. You're simply wrong and at this point you are just white knighting 3.1 and saying it will be of a level of quality we have never seen before. Pull your head out of the sand 3.1 is going to be CT reborn, instanced hunts, irrelevant gold saucer content, and go kill bis ex 500 times for a 210 weapon. Its going to be more of the same exact content we have seen, except this time, we had to wait an abnormally long amount of time for less content than what 2.1 brought to the table.

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Originally Posted by zosia

You're simply wrong and at this point you are just white knighting 3.1 and saying it will be of a level of quality we have never seen before. Pull your head out of the sand 3.1 is going to be CT reborn, instanced hunts, irrelevant gold saucer content, and go kill bis ex 500 times for a 210 weapon. Its going to be more of the same exact content we have seen, except this time, we had to wait an abnormally long amount of time for less content than what 2.1 brought to the table.

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You seem incredibly unhappy with the game and have already presupposed the next upcoming patch is garbage, why are you here again exactly? I'm dead serious about that, for all your claims of white knighting you would be the black knight in this scenario, spreading doom and gloom to the forums without any actual knowledge of what the next patch will contain or how it will play out other than the same tidbits we've been given.

I'll admit the game has flaws, all MMO's do. But I guess you expect the moon to be provided to every single patch from mere human developers. If people out there hate the game they should move on, if you are interested in improving it try realistic constructive criticism and present viable solutions you think might actually work.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Again, this is about quality verses quantity...

Yes 2.1 added Wolves' Den, but it was of such utterly terrible quality that they might as well have held it back until they realized how terrible Morale was. Yes 2.1 added Housing, but its introduction was meant with much rage, rather than fanfare, off the prices alone, never mind the obvious supply/demand issue that is still a problem.

2.1 had quantity, I've never denied that, but what it lacked for a fair few of its pieces of content, was quality. So far, based off 2.0~2.55, I have no reason to doubt the quality of most of 3.1 content. Lord of Verminion alone seems more enjoyable than anything 2.1 offered, and Sky Exploration certainly has some potential. I mean really, 3.1 is adding an entire new zone with Sky Exploration, would you really quantify that in the same level as the Aesthetician?

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You keep saying quality > quantity, but how do you know the way things will turn out? You can hope it'll be better, but that's ultimately up to each players opinion. I would actually hope the quality would be better considering how much longer this content cycle is.Everyone was extremely excited for WD and Housing, much more so than what they're adding in this update. It's pretty unfair to you to come out and say those additions to the game weren't actually "quality". How many FC's worked together to get the gil for houses @2.1? How many FC's based events at their house? How many crafters were more involved in the game to make furniture items? I don't think you really understand the impact of something of that magnitude. You may cry foul over people initially being angry at prices. I see it as one of the few things in the game that built a community.

As far as WD goes, it was/is still unbalanced and sort of a mess. But it was the foundation that brought us frontlines. It gave players a completely optional side point in this game (which it needed very much). If you don't like it, then sorry, it's not for you. I think most players knew that this is a PVE game. Everyone knew WD would only appeal to a very small player %. It gave players something to grind. Ranking up in pvp is one of the very few time consuming achievements. You acknowledge the fact that these were added, but I think you fail to look at the big picture (or don't remember) of what these meant to the game, and how desired these features were at the time.

Did anyont think on the posibility that we might have a trial on the MSQ but will not be a primal?

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Originally Posted by Wobi

You seem incredibly unhappy with the game and have already presupposed the next upcoming patch is garbage, why are you here again exactly? I'm dead serious about that, for all your claims of white knighting you would be the black knight in this scenario, spreading doom and gloom to the forums without any actual knowledge of what the next patch will contain or how it will play out other than the same tidbits we've been given.

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I care about the game and want it to do better? And exactly how do you know I have no knowledge about this stuff. ALL the info I am citing has been game event or live letter info. Go check all these concepts for yourself.

SE said themselves that we will be getting

two ex trials (less than what we got with 2.1)
two dungeons (less than what we got with 2.1)

that's 2/3rds of my argument right there. 2.1 has much more misc content than what SE has advertised for 3.1. Unless the live letter tonight advertises about 3-4 additional features, the content of 3.1 is less than what we got in 2.1.

2.0 launched at the end of august 2013 (around the 20 if I remember correctly.) and 2.1 came in mid December 2013 (around the 14th, if I remember correctly). The time from 2.0 to 2.1 was about 3 1/2 months for all the content I previously listed.

3.0 launched around the 23rd of June 2015. It will be around 4 1/2 months when we finally get 3.1. They had an extra month and we are getting considerably less content in comparison to 2.1.

If being a black knight means doing what I have done in this thread, pointing out facts, then I gladly wear the title.

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I'll admit the game has flaws, all MMO's do. But I guess you expect the moon to be provided to every single patch from mere human developers. If people out there hate the game they should move on, if you are interested in improving it try realistic constructive criticism and present viable solutions you think might actually work.

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I don't expect the moon, I expect the same level of quality AND quantity from 2.1. They have had the time and resources, they need to deliver the goods. Also, I tried exactly what you are saying now and that does nothing either.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...misconceptions

I am done being diplomatic and reasonable. I pay for this game, as we all do, and we deserve better than what they are giving us.

I assure you, my head isn't in the sand, but at the same time I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses and acting like Ifrit (Extreme) was some kind of massive inclusion, you want a real break down of what 2.1 added? Here;

• New Main Scenario Missions, standard.
• Good King Moggle Mog, which was new, unless you played 1.23.
• Three Extreme Primals, all of which were just recycled from existing content.
• The Ultima Ballad, another piece of recycled content.
• Treasure Maps, which offered a three unique minions and recycled existing enemies and drops.
• Amalj'aa and Sylph Dailies, this was actually new.
• Wolves' Den, which may have added stuff, but needs 3.2 to bail it out (and to clarify, Wolves' Den Pier was in there at launch).
• Housing, which is still waiting on its bail out.
• Crystal Tower, with its own set of gear.
• One new dungeon, two recycled dungeons, all of which dropped a set of gear which was recycled off existing gear.
• Hildibrand, how could we forget him.
• Haircuts.

That is the quality 2.1 added. Notice how much of it is simply recycled from old content? I sure as hell do. I notice stuff which, to this day, people are complaining about and demanding be fixed.

Now lets look at what we know 3.1 will be adding;

• New Main Scenario Missions, standard.
• Void Ark, with its own set of gear and recycles at least one boss.
• Reclamation of inactive Housing. What? You're going to count the ~500 plots 2.1 added but not this?
• One new dungeon, one recycled dungeon, an entirely new set of gear.
• Vanu Vanu Dailies.
• Saint Endalim Scholasticate quests.
• New Relics, though we know little about these.
• Lord of Verminion, which you're as quick to discredit in the same way I "discredit" Wolves' Den and Housing...
• Sky Exploration, which is an entirely new event, and entirely new zone, complete with an entirely new set of gear.

That's what we know. Unconfirmed stuff, like speculating The Singularity Reactor (Extreme), I'll leave out for now. Still a ways off 3.1 actually being released, so there is plenty of time for them to add stuff to this list.

You know what I see here though? Less recycling of old content. In fact, I see more new sets of gear, I see an entirely new zone. I consider that kind of content to be worth more than something like haircuts, or something people can't even use because of how poorly it was implemented. When 3.1 hits, I'll be able to play Lord of Verminion, I'll be able to go exploring the sky, I'll be able to obtain Relics. The same simply wasn't true for something like Housing and indeed still isn't.

More things =/= better. Where were you complaining about 2.2 onwards, because I'm fairly certain no update has added more than 2.1... How could they? 2.1 had three Extremes and Ultima, never mind they fact that they were heavily recycled. I'm looking at 2.1 for what it was, a lot of recycled stuff and stuff that didn't, and still doesn't work. Likewise, I'm looking at 3.1 for what it is, less quantity, but easily the chance for better quality. Excuse me for not being so bloody pessimistic about new content, how dare I consider Sky Exploration on its own to be worth more than anything 2.1 added, 2.1 added haircuts for crying out loud, that's so bloody amazing, 3.1 is just terrible for adding an entirely new area to explore.

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Originally Posted by Blazer

As far as WD goes, it was/is still unbalanced and sort of a mess.

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No, Wolves' Den is fine now days. The only issue with it is people abandoned it after 2.1, so the queues are terrible and few data centers can get matches going. Balance is fine, the only thing 3.2 needs to do is give people a reason to go back there. Stuff like AP, PvP EXP and Morale got sorted out before/alongside Frontlines.

And yes, I don't know how good 3.1s content will be, forgive me for being optimistic about a game I pay monthly for... If I was so bloody negative about the lead up to each update, I wouldn't even be here anymore. The bottom line though, is that it takes far more work to produce an entire new zone (an entire new Heavensward zone, no less), than it does to let people change their hair. Most of 2.1 was very easy for the developers to produce, because so much of it was just recycling, 3.1 is going to have some of that of course, if you think The Singularity Reactor (Extreme) is on the way, but the point still stands. Sky Exploration is an entirely new area, that takes far more effort from the development team than say, Treasure Maps. Lord of Verminion is, oddly, on a similar scale to Wolves' Den (you will be able to play against other players, after all).

I'm going to laugh my damn arse off, if 3.1 goes "Oh no, all the Primals are back!" and we get Ifrit, Titan, Garuda, Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, and Odin (Savage), and people complain that "this isn't new content, it's just recycled old stuff!", because the exact same complaint can be leveled at much of 2.1...

3.1
Relic
Void ark
Minion thing
Story quest
Airship explo
2 new dungeons
New recipes
Something new for specialists

That will keep us going for a while

From what people datamined, there is a huge probability of : (spoilers for those who don't want to know #TinFoilHat)

=> The Singularity Reactor Ex (confirmed)
=> Steps of Faith Ex
=> The Chrysalis Ex

Speculations based on a name change to come for those including (normal), possibly implying an Ex version, and the fact that the sing. reactor was already confirmed as Ex.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I assure you, my head isn't in the sand, but at the same time I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses and acting like Ifrit (Extreme) was some kind of massive inclusion, you want a real break down of what 2.1 added? Here;

• New Main Scenario Missions, standard.
• Good King Moggle Mog, which was new, unless you played 1.23.
• Three Extreme Primals, all of which were just recycled from existing content.
• The Ultima Ballad, another piece of recycled content.
• Treasure Maps, which offered a three unique minions and recycled existing enemies and drops.
• Amalj'aa and Sylph Dailies, this was actually new.
• Wolves' Den, which may have added stuff, but needs 3.2 to bail it out (and to clarify, Wolves' Den Pier was in there at launch).
• Housing, which is still waiting on its bail out.
• Crystal Tower, with its own set of gear.
• One new dungeon, two recycled dungeons, all of which dropped a set of gear which was recycled off existing gear.
• Hildibrand, how could we forget him.
• Haircuts.

That is the quality 2.1 added. Notice how much of it is simply recycled from old content? I sure as hell do. I notice stuff which, to this day, people are complaining about and demanding be fixed.

Now lets look at what we know 3.1 will be adding;

• New Main Scenario Missions, standard.
• Void Ark, with its own set of gear and recycles at least one boss.
• Reclamation of inactive Housing. What? You're going to count the ~500 plots 2.1 added but not this? (Just a rehash of housing)
• One new dungeon, one recycled dungeon, an entirely new set of gear. (Just a rehash of a dungeon)
• Vanu Vanu Dailies. (just a rehash of beast tribe dailies)
• Saint Endalim Scholasticate quests. (To what? flag the dungeon? Get real)
• New Relics, though we know little about these. (rehashed content from ARR)
• Lord of Verminion, which you're as quick to discredit in the same way I "discredit" Wolves' Den and Housing...
• Sky Exploration, which is an entirely new event, and entirely new zone, complete with an entirely new set of gear. (rehash of hunts)

That's what we know. Unconfirmed stuff, like speculating The Singularity Reactor (Extreme) (rehashed trial), I'll leave out for now. Still a ways off 3.1 actually being released, so there is plenty of time for them to add stuff to this list.

You know what I see here though? Less recycling of old content. In fact, I see more new sets of gear, I see an entirely new zone. I consider that kind of content to be worth more than something like haircuts, or something people can't even use because of how poorly it was implemented. When 3.1 hits, I'll be able to play Lord of Verminion, I'll be able to go exploring the sky, I'll be able to obtain Relics. The same simply wasn't true for something like Housing and indeed still isn't.

More things =/= better. Where were you complaining about 2.2 onwards, because I'm fairly certain no update has added more than 2.1... How could they? 2.1 had three Extremes and Ultima, never mind they fact that they were heavily recycled. I'm looking at 2.1 for what it was, a lot of recycled stuff and stuff that didn't, and still doesn't work. Likewise, I'm looking at 3.1 for what it is, less quantity, but easily the chance for better quality. Excuse me for not being so bloody pessimistic about new content, how dare I consider Sky Exploration on its own to be worth more than anything 2.1 added, 2.1 added haircuts for crying out loud, that's so bloody amazing, 3.1 is just terrible for adding an entirely new area to explore.

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Allows me to use your rehashed logic against you. I bolded everything in your argument that is just a rehash of content we have already had. I guess we must be looking at different posts, I see a lot of rehashed content. 2.2 had a new difficult raid, so I was content with that. Keep hoping that the sky pirates content is as good as you are trumping it up to be, I will be more than happy to come back in two weeks to bump this thread when it just turns out to be instanced hunts.

Again, two dungeons vs three dungeons.
Again, two trials vs five trials.
Rehashed or not (because SR ex is a rehash) 2.1 had five trials, 3.1 has two.

I don't need to drag housing or pvp or lord of verminion or any of that other content into this argument, although I still think 2.1 had MORE misc. content. 3.1 has less end game content than most of the ARR patches just by virtue or dungeons and trials. You are simply wrong because of the mathematical fact that 2 < 3 and 2 < 5. You refuse you see that as a valid complaint, you are being willfully ignorant, your head is firmly placed in that sand bank regardless if you can see it or not.

edit: miscounted

It's been forever ago but doesn't Rhitahtyn sas Arvina mention Doomtrain as a train transporting Garlean supplies?