Negative GM Support Feedback

3 times this week I have had to make GM reports for incidents happening in the game. 1 time on my level 60 DRK and 2 on my Dragoon. All 3 times I sent a GM report about it and a GM did not want to talk to me on 2 of the 3 occasions.

Today I decided to queue for leveling roulette on my 58 DRG and got into Vault. As soon as the dungeon started the tank checked my gear on my DRG and did not say anything. After beating the first boss I suspected from the way they were playing that they wanted to kick me because the group was moving at an average pace and not at a speed run pace like people usually like. I also suspect it was a premade group of 3 people. Because of this I sent a GM report before they kicked me stating that I think they are going to kick me and eventually they did.

A little over 3 hours pass and the GM finally responded to me by sending me their copy/paste message and this picture is what happened.

http://imgur.com/ePMzgIx

Had a longer explanation of things but there's a 1000 character limit on here. So how does he know everything when there was little to nothing said in the chat and they could have been communicating through 3rd party voice chat?

While I agree you shouldn't have been kicked because of your gear, you didn't give the GM any real information besides "I got kicked from this party". Did you give them any names, time of day? As a side note, do you have any proof they were running a parser? Just because you were removed does not mean they were using one. You're allowed to be upset over it, but remember to not let your emotions get to you and say things that may not be true.

If you looked at the pictures that's what I asked the GM on my reply to him. I did not add any other details because absolutely nothing was said to me about the way I played. I just suspected they were going to kick me because of the way they were playing. I also sent that report about 5-8 minutes before they actually kicked me because I've had 1 instance where a GM responded right away so I was hoping this GM would have responded before they kicked me to see firsthand that they were kicking me for no reason other than DPS. The cues that made me believe I was going to get kicked was because they were standing around a few times and because when I didn't roll on loot the tank said someone is afk (showing that they were premade) and the other DPS asked me to roll the brd/mch boots because he wanted it (but he actually passed it and it fell to my inventory when time expired) so they were just pretty much standing around waiting to kick me.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

As a side note, do you have any proof they were running a parser? Just because you were removed does not mean they were using one. You're allowed to be upset over it, but remember to not let your emotions get to you and say things that may not be true.

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Actually a lot of people use parsers. I've also heard it's allowed as long as people don't harrass other players about their DPS. Join any raid people aren't afraid to say they use parsers or to call out numbers. The only way to prove someone has a parser is if they actually state it otherwise there's no way to know.

Also like to add that GMs don't really do much. Reporting is just a tool for the victim to feel some sort of justification. I've heard people say that if someone is reported enough times they will get banned or suspended, but there are people who still play that have been reported several times over several different instances. I say you should just join groups with a friend and vote kick people out too because they don't really do anything in the game about it lol

ive got one report for parsing although i dont use it just saw well geared group 195-205 and dung takes like 35mins. I just stated for their gear it takes too long. Its not always parser but even experience can do the trick.
Although i would suggest to prioritize kicked players in que. If you get kicked twice in row, ok than nothing but if you get kicked as dps you will spend half an hour in que again.

I'm on PS4 and I can say for seeing horribad DPS theres no parser needed. there is that beautiful little hatebar that healps a crapload and also time stuff takes to die gives you enough information to tell if somone is not doing much. In dugeons there is no need to speak up though except you wipe.

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Originally Posted by DarkAngel200

Actually a lot of people use parsers. I've also heard it's allowed as long as people don't harrass other players about their DPS.

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As long as they are used in the right context, they are "okay", but no matter how you slice it parsers are against the ToS, heck even wtfast is against the ToS. That said, he was in the right to report them, but he can't make baseless accusations without viable proof. Best thing to do in this deal is report, give names, date, time, and then respond to the GM, if they require anymore information, and leave it at that. Its out of your hands.

Dont have crap gear. You didnt said what you had on or anything but you should, and people expect you, to have level apropiate gear after level50. If you are level 58 DRG then have level 58 gear, at least the left side and weapon. I can only imagine you were still wearing level 50-54 gear, dont need any parser to know who is the problem.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Dont have crap gear. You didnt said what you had on or anything but you should, and people expect you, to have level apropiate gear after level50. If you are level 58 DRG then have level 58 gear, at least the left side and weapon. I can only imagine you were still wearing level 50-54 gear, dont need any parser to know who is the problem.

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I was leveling DRG for my retainer. It's like some people don't read O.o I stated I queued for leveling roulette, I did not choose to enter Vault. Anyway, I did have the Vault's dragoon weapon and a mixed of ilevel 120-136 gear. If what you said is fine to do I'll start vote kicking people out as well because I've just been leaving them in my groups and running the dungeons slowly especially in Expert where they have 160 gear /shrug. So far most people seem to be leaning that it is fine to vote kick people out if the dungeon is not a speed run so I'll just do that on my main jobs as well.

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Originally Posted by WoodyMcWood

Because of this I sent a GM report before they kicked me stating that I think they are going to kick me and eventually they did.

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So you reported people for doing something they didn't even do yet? I guess its a good thing they did, as you could have action against you for making false reports. Probably not a good idea making reports "before" something you think is going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Saphirro

ive got one report for parsing although i dont use it just saw well geared group 195-205 and dung takes like 35mins. I just stated for their gear it takes too long. Its not always parser but even experience can do the trick.
Although i would suggest to prioritize kicked players in que. If you get kicked twice in row, ok than nothing but if you get kicked as dps you will spend half an hour in que again.

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... since when 35 min for a dungeon.. it's too long? The timer show 90 min, it should be done within that time.

Some are enjoying it at their pace, clearing up all content, all bosses, and the duty is completed.

it's because of people with your mindset that DF is the way it is now..

perhaps not you if you join premades, but those who wait 30+ mins as a DPS.. it sucks for them, cause we will tank elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

So you reported people for doing something they didn't even do yet? I guess its a good thing they did, as you could have action against you for making false reports. Probably not a good idea making reports "before" something you think is going to happen.

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Technically they were "doing something" through their cues, which is when I placed my report. So yeah, my report was justified and I did get voted out just as I thought I would. Premades are usually the people that abuse the vote kick function and a vote kick function with just 2 votes yes is a lot of power as well for abuse. In my situation it was a premade of 3 people so I was gone no matter what.

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Originally Posted by WoodyMcWood

I was leveling DRG for my retainer. It's like some people don't read O.o I stated I queued for leveling roulette, I did not choose to enter Vault. Anyway, I did have the Vault's dragoon weapon and a mixed of ilevel 120-136 gear. If what you said is fine to do I'll start vote kicking people out as well because I've just been leaving them in my groups and running the dungeons slowly especially in Expert where they have 160 gear /shrug. So far most people seem to be leaning that it is fine to vote kick people out if the dungeon is not a speed run so I'll just do that on my main jobs as well.

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It doesn't matter for what you were leveling and since you choose a roulette you should be geared for anything. Ilvl 120- 136 is like I said around lvl 50 - 54 gear and thats really low for a lvl 57 dungeon. Expert roulette with ilvl160 is the lowest you can enter and is acceptable at least to me or anyone really. I never mention speed run or anything thats all on your mind but if a boss is taking forever to die I will look who is the weakess person. I think a while back when spiritbonding on a dungeon was a thing a rep mention that you could consider that sort of harrasment for the other people doing the dungeon with you. I'm not really condoning for vote kick you but if you are not pulling your weight you are as good as dead weight and you getting carried in the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

People expect you to have level appropiate gear after level 50.

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If you meet the i-lvl requirements for the dungeoun, then you are fine in my book. Only thing I expect is for people to not cheat their way into a dungeoun. (vit gear on a dex class)
I never figured out why people bring this up, sicne they have to be the dungeouns requisite i-lvl, in this case, whatever it is for the Vault.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

If you meet the i-lvl requirements for the dungeoun, then you are fine in my book. Only thing I expect is for people to not cheat their way into a dungeoun. (vit gear on a dex class)
I never figured out why people bring this up, sicne they have to be the dungeouns requisite i-lvl, in this case, whatever it is for the Vault.

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Before que you can get your ilvl up with w/e gear and change in the dungeon even to lower what the dungeon is for. Also if your highest ilvl comes from your accesorries thats not much of an improvement. Just imagine a tank with ilvl120 left side and ilvl136 right side, thats would be a nightmare to heal on Vault and not sure if you could finish the dungeon that way.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

It doesn't matter for what you were leveling and since you choose a roulette you should be geared for anything. Ilvl 120- 136 is like I said around lvl 50 - 54 gear and thats really low for a lvl 57 dungeon. Expert roulette with ilvl160 is the lowest you can enter and is acceptable at least to me or anyone really. I never mention speed run or anything thats all on your mind but if a boss is taking forever to die I will look who is the weakess person.

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The Vault does not have any ilevel restrictions meaning that anyone can enter that dungeon. If your logic is that ilvl 160 is the minimum ilvl to enter Expert, which it clearly states so then it is acceptable then you should be able to accept that a dungeon that has no ilvl restriction it is also acceptable. It's not like I was afking, sitting back or just autoattacking. Like I stated before the group was moving at a normal pace.

The only things I've seen a GM do is rename a Free Company, rename people with "bad" names, and warn players (very rare). I assume people here have had a job before so you can understand some GMs actually do their work and some are lazy. I'm not sure how the process works being that I don't work for SE, but in my opinion looking at logs is tedious and boring work so it's best to assume they don't look into every report. They probably have reports based on priority and difficulty so they do easy things like looking at "bad" names first and put the tedious things last or someone else is supposed to "investigate" it. It's like the IRS, they don't check every person's tax return. If GMs actually punished people for vote kicking I'm sure you would see more forum posts about people complaining of unfair action. To get away with Vote Kicking 1. premade 2. voice chat 3. kick for afk at worst you'll only be warned.

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Originally Posted by WoodyMcWood

The Vault does not have any ilevel restrictions meaning that anyone can enter that dungeon. If your logic is that ilvl 160 is the minimum ilvl to enter Expert, which it clearly states so then it is acceptable then you should be able to accept that a dungeon that has no ilvl restriction it is also acceptable. It's not like I was afking, sitting back or just autoattacking. Like I stated before the group was moving at a normal pace.

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My logic is that you should have lvl apropiated gear for the dungeon you are entering. You enter a lvl60 dungeon on expert roulette or w/e you are expected to have level 60 gear. You are entering The Vault you should be having lvl 56-59 gear. How hard is that? You can even buy it from vendor.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

My logic is that you should have lvl apropiated gear for the dungeon you are entering. You enter a lvl60 dungeon on expert roulette or w/e you are expected to have level 60 gear. You are entering The Vault you should be having lvl 56-59 gear. How hard is that? You can even buy it from vendor.

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You can only enter a 60 dungeon if you fall within it's requirements which an average ilvl of 145. There is no restrictions for Vault in terms of gear and I've ran that dungeon with people that have worse gear than myself. So again, by your logic it's fine to vote kick people out with low gear and that is what I plan on doing from this point on. It doesn't look like there's any official response on this so I'm just guessing it's fine to vote kick people out when you're in a premade group.

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Originally Posted by WoodyMcWood

You can only enter a 60 dungeon if you fall within it's requirements which an average ilvl of 145. There is no restrictions for Vault in terms of gear and I've ran that dungeon with people that have worse gear than myself. So again, by your logic it's fine to vote kick people out with low gear and that is what I plan on doing from this point on. It doesn't look like there's any official response on this so I'm just guessing it's fine to vote kick people out when you're in a premade group.

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You can do w/e you want I'm just telling you what i expect from people while runing a dungeon. They dont have to be deck up but at least their left side is important to me. As if i would kick them or not, i run dungeons solo must of the time and if i do a premade we basically dont mind carrying they last person. Not everyone is like me so if you dont want anything to happen just be on par with what you are doing. Lastly, if you dont care for your peers and expect to be carry why they should care about you, no one like to carry anyone on anything.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello,

There are currently no plans to change the method for averaging item levels as the team feels that this is not the real issue.

While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are not spiritbonding and acting in ways only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.

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Just in case gonna leave this here.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Lastly, if you dont care for your peers and expect to be carry why they should care about you, no one like to carry anyone on anything.

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How does that relate to my situation? If I ran a parser I would be able to give you numbers on if anyone is being carried. You can't exactly look at someone's gear and tell if they are doing worse dps than someone else especially if the other person is not using their buffs and whatnot. Like I stated earlier our group was moving at an average pace. We had 2 melee DPS and no AoE class to speed run the dungeon. I'm pretty confident I did more dps than the tank and wasn't far off in DPS than the other DRG since he mostly spammed ring of thorns.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Just in case gonna leave this here.

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That's reporting someone, not vote kicking. Also what's your definition of "acting in ways only to cause trouble for others"? I'm pretty sure he didn't intend it to mean "if you feel the DPS is low that is considered causing trouble for others so do as you please" lol

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

... since when 35 min for a dungeon.. it's too long? The timer show 90 min, it should be done within that time.

Some are enjoying it at their pace, clearing up all content, all bosses, and the duty is completed.

it's because of people with your mindset that DF is the way it is now..

perhaps not you if you join premades, but those who wait 30+ mins as a DPS.. it sucks for them, cause we will tank elsewhere.

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195-205ilvl ? expert rutllete? 35min isnt too long? fresh 160-170 group can do it in 28min with 1 wipe at last boss. Since you have to clear every single mob there and all bosses your 2nd sentence is invalid. Ok people of my mindset. Like i have good eq so im gonna do shitty dmg is better mindset? If you join in +20-25 ilvl better eq than me as healer im expecting you to even do bigger dmg than me. One was BRD other was BLM and i had to use once and up to three times mana regen spell per trash.