Raise your hand if you think that Forgemaster gear should have better stats than Forgekeep gear.
Forgekeep vs Forgemaster
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10-12-2015, 02:06 AMEvaeForgekeep vs Forgemaster
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10-12-2015, 02:29 AMNezerius
It already has better stats when melded, which is the point of getting the gear that takes much less time to get than the unmeldable Forgekeep gear.
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10-12-2015, 03:47 AMdoctapeppa
i170 Master chest piece - 225 craft / 70 control / 4 CP
i180 Keep chest piece - 239 craft / 75 control / 4 CP
i170 Master chest piece with practical melds - 253 craft / 78 control / 4 CP (2 Craftsmanship V, 1 Craftsmanship IV, 2 Control IV)
Keep in mind for the practical melds, I'm assuming we're in 3.1 and SE has implemented a reasonable way to acquire tier V crafting materia. -
10-13-2015, 09:15 PMMature
The 170 gear and accessories are of course better ->only IF<- you have the money and the materias to meld and overmeld. The 180 gear is not bad AT ALL. my BSM got all the ilvl 180 gear (I'm gonna get the MH too) and I craft comfortably . The key point in crafting in HW is that you must have the CP, as the durability bar has been increased and you need as many HT in order to get HQ (unless you got all mats in HQ) that means using WN2 and MM2.
In my opinion the best way to go for gearing , effective and CHEAPER will be :
MH ilvl180 (+4 cp included)
OH ilvl170
Head / body / hands ilvl180 (+4 cp included)
Belt ilvl170
Legs / feet / accessories ilvl170
Like that you will have optimal Cp for an easy craft as every piece will have +4 cp and you will spend less money buying materias and melding those extra 4 pieces This is the way I go about it and it works perfectly for me. -
10-14-2015, 01:37 AMLastelliWell...those practical melds are unaffordable for most crafters out there. Control IV is around 100k on my server...melding two of them with about 7% success rate is something I'm not even going to consider (we're probably talking about 10mln gil of lost materia there).Quote:
Originally Posted by doctapeppa
Actually I feel like the MH is the only lvl180 crafing gear that it's worth your red tokens. -
10-14-2015, 03:39 AMblueruckusHow much is Control III on your server? The price difference is pretty massive on my server between III and IV. If you use two III instead of two IV you're missing out on 2 control (nothing major at all).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastelli
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10-14-2015, 05:04 AM_Kakera_But that's silly, since if you lose 2 control then you end up with 76 control, as opposed to the i180 which has 75. It's 1 more control for however much gil again? You do get 14 craft, but is 14 craft + 1 control worth potentially millions of gil? And for that purpose, is 14 craft + 3 control worth it as well? I feel like they just want us to craft the i170 gear to dye it and that's it, because you can't dye the scrips gear. And that's really stupid because you can dye the gathering red scrips gear, since you can't craft any of it. It's such a gigantic price for what ultimately is just... a tiny difference in stats, and the ability to dye it. Same for the requirement of AS3 to be to dye DoW/M gear as well, is dying gear worth that much of a hassle?Quote:
Originally Posted by blueruckus
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10-14-2015, 05:21 AMSolluxYou seem to forget that Glamour is and has always been the TRUE Endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Kakera_
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10-14-2015, 09:21 AMCaimie_TsukinoYup! haha!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sollux
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10-14-2015, 10:45 PMPROBOUNDYES, YES, and HELL YES! Your in the wrong section of the Forum if you think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Kakera_
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10-15-2015, 12:32 AMMature
What would be the difference between a fully melded ilvl170 gear + accesories+ OH Against ilvl180 gear + melded ilvl170 accessories + OH?
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10-15-2015, 01:54 AMIbiDepends on what you consider "fully melded" to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mature
Given that the accessories and OH are the same in both sets, we can consider just the visible slots.
i180: 553 Craftsmanship, 524 Control, 12 CP
For i170, head, hands, legs, and feet can be capped using only Grade IV and lower materia (for 36 Craftsmanship, 328 Control, and 16 CP total from the four slots). CP on the main hand can be capped using a single CP IV (I don't know if that's the most efficient way to meld, but let's assume we do that for simplicity), and the body cannot have additional CP melded.
Assuming infinite gil and endless materia supplies...
Grade V, Control > Craftsmanship: 568 (+15) Craftsmanship, 572 (+48) Control, 24 (+12) CP
Grade V, Craftsmanship > Control: 602 (+49) Craftsmanship, 546 (+22) Control, 24 (+12) CP
No Grade V, Control > Craftsmanship: 536 (-17) Craftsmanship, 567 (+43) Control, 24 (+12) CP
No Grade V, Craftsmanship > Control: 578 (+25) Craftsmanship, 539 (+15) Control, 24 (+12) CP -
10-15-2015, 01:58 AMPirateCatThe exact stat differences will vary because it isn't possible to cap the stats on the mainhand or body pieces. But if you start from a baseline of maxing out the pieces that can be max melded (head, hands, legs, and feet slots) with no melds on MH or body, the i170 set has -9 craftsmanship, +15 control, and +8 CP over the i180 set. Making up for the craftsmanship on the MH and body is trivial since you have three free slots to work with, and then it's a matter of which stats you want to focus on with the other melds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mature
That being said, I'd personally recommend saving the MH for last if you're melding or just going with the i180 version. The best you can do without overmelding tier 5 materia only barely beats out the i180 stats. (Crafts V + Crafts IV + Control IV x 2 + CP IV is all of 2 craftsmanship and 4 CP better than the i180, for example.)