Can we get changes to the Market Board?

Things that you can't do that seem, frankly idiotic that you can't.


1) Post items on my own, why does the retainer do it?
2) Be able to use my bank storage while posting on said market board.
3) Buy just one of something, if I want one I should be able to buy 1 not like 54 of them and have to report them in hopes somebody else who wants one rebuys it.

There is glaring problems with the market board, and those problems (the complete user unfriendliness of it) make it so it's virtually dead even on large servers.

Can we get some changes to the market board?

3) Buy just one of something, if I want one I should be able to buy 1 not like 54 of them and have to report them in hopes somebody else who wants one rebuys it.

No way.
How do you think I make all my gil?

1) Considering that retainers have been present since 1.0, I doubt that aspect of the market boards will change anytime soon. The team could have easily made changes there going into ARR, the fact that they didn't is fairly telling.

2) This would be nice but I have a feeling things with bank storage aren't up to the level they need to be for any additional functionality to be added yet. They straight up said the reason there aren't any guild chests in Ishgard is that it just can't take the strain that would cause.

3) ...the market boards are player run. If no one wants to sell individual units of an item, SE can't force it. Honestly what you do already is the best way to deal with it, I usually jack the price up a little on individual units if nobody else can be bothered to split their stacks a bit.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

3) Buy just one of something, if I want one I should be able to buy 1 not like 54 of them and have to report them in hopes somebody else who wants one rebuys it.

No way.
How do you think I make all my gil?

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You could get more buyers if you give smaller stacks too. Sometimes I just need one glamour prism, not a stack of 4. I need 3 Morbol Vines, not 30 or 99!

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Originally Posted by Zer0

3) Buy just one of something, if I want one I should be able to buy 1 not like 54 of them and have to report them in hopes somebody else who wants one rebuys it.

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No thanks. The way it is now actually creates a market where you can list small stacks at a premium price.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

You could get more buyers if you give smaller stacks too. Sometimes I just need one glamour prism, not a stack of 4. I need 3 Morbol Vines, not 30 or 99!

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No that's exactly what I do XD
everyone always gives out stacks of 99... it's like, no way. So I just keep the price but then sell my items in tiny stacks. It's great ;)

The Market Board is not an auction house, it's just a list of player-run (read: retainers) stores - think of it more like Amazon.com than ebay.

As for why SE has made it like this, it goes back to FFXI and how players absued the bazaar and Auction House systems there, to the point hyperinflation was rampant and out of control. And because players were using alt characters as bazaars, leaving them logged in while away from their computer/console (such as while sleeping or working), SE decided when FFXIV 1.0 was in development to actually remove the bazaar function from the player's own character, and placing that responsibility into a npc who will remain logged into the game even when the player's character is logged out.

Accordingly, in 1.0 there was a special Market Ward zone where retainers were placed, but the actual result was far less ideal (it was an absolute lag fest as well as being a nightmare to find anything). Hence when ARR was designed retainer stores were further streamlined into no longer physically appearing in an actual zone,so the Market Ward zones were abolished, but instead retainer shops were arranged in a list that could be easily searched - thus the Market Board was born.

I agree it can be further tweaked, but given the fact it's working reasonably well, I doubt we'll see an actual FFXI style Auction House added as it would just be superfluous.

3) This exist to balance out the amount each person can sell at a given time.

If you suddenly change it where a person can stack 99 and sell one of each then they create 99 selling opportunities in that one slot, meanwhile armor/weapons/single stack items always remain as a 1-1 ratio, that's why that won't change.

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I disagree with your reasoning. Inflation was out of control in FFXI for mainly the lack of two effective gold sinks. The first gold sink would be the necessity of repairing your gear for gold which FFXI did not have. The second was most gear was not bound on use (not sure if this was ever changed). You could use it and resell it at the current value and this lead to most gear changing hands without a reduction in price. There was not much incentive to craft new gear to cash out since the materials for higher level stuff dropped from lengthy rare spawns (NM).This lead to items getting into the millions of gil even for things like basic gear. This was the case of affairs when I quit during chains of promathia.

I actually make *more* gil selling in singles or stacks of 5 depending. What multiple is it used in? Split into stacks of that.

Two reasons I prefer market in other games: I'm not limited to 20 items/stacks per retainer. This is why people sell stacks of 99. Fewer slots used.

And... Notably in wow: I can use a smartphone app or add-on in game to automatically list multiple items. Oh, I have 530 cloth and want to sell it in stacks of 5? Stack size: 5 stacks*click maximum button* set price per unit(app will auto undercut by 1cp for you), click list. Win.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

You could get more buyers if you give smaller stacks too. Sometimes I just need one glamour prism, not a stack of 4. I need 3 Morbol Vines, not 30 or 99!

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And i put double price when I sell single item :p

Until you get undercut anyway *shrug*

1) You are out adventuring in the fields, you can't be sitting in a shop selling stuff at the same time. That's why when you call your retainer your items are temporarily pulled from the Market.

3) It's the same as IRL, some shops only sell in bulk and are cheaper (per item) because of it. Others sell piece by piece, and are more expensive. The same stuff usually happens on the Market board.

The only real problem I see in this is food. But I only bother using it in hard content so doesn't bother me that much.

Its kinda why I love going to the Market board and selling when I see everyone posting in stacks of 50 or 99. I post in stacks of 10 and they are gone instantly. More so when crystals or clusters are in stacks of 300, so I do 30. When it comes to market board changes, I would love to just type part of the item in and get all items containing it, not have to get the prefix and all correct too. It annoys me I cant just type "felt" and get Chimera felt and others as an option.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

When it comes to market board changes, I would love to just type part of the item in and get all items containing it, not have to get the prefix and all correct too. It annoys me I cant just type "felt" and get Chimera felt and others as an option.

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+1 to this

taking away market versatility (i put up 20 items but you can buy just what you need) would have a huge impact on every single server. Undercutting would sky rocket because you are now competing to sell everything at a x1 cost. It's pretty much like buying in bulk for a huge discount except you no longer have to buy the bulk but still get the discount.

But +1 for the search tool upgrades.

The one thing I would like to see is an adjustment to retainers as the only entity that can list items. The problem with retainers is that it keeps the real seller anonymous. If we must use retainers to list things on the MB, you should be able to "click through" on the name of the retainer and see who they report to.

+1 to AlphaFox regarding improving the MB search function. They should implement the exact algorithm used by XIVDB.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

3) Buy just one of something, if I want one I should be able to buy 1 not like 54 of them and have to report them in hopes somebody else who wants one rebuys it.

No way.
How do you think I make all my gil?

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If the stack is too big I usually just won't buy it at all. I'll wait til there's a single up or I'll ask someone in my fc if they've got one.

I need one glamour prism, not three, dangit! >.>

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

I actually make *more* gil selling in singles or stacks of 5 depending. What multiple is it used in? Split into stacks of that.

Two reasons I prefer market in other games: I'm not limited to 20 items/stacks per retainer. This is why people sell stacks of 99. Fewer slots used.

And... Notably in wow: I can use a smartphone app or add-on in game to automatically list multiple items. Oh, I have 530 cloth and want to sell it in stacks of 5? Stack size: 5 stacks*click maximum button* set price per unit(app will auto undercut by 1cp for you), click list. Win.

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That was one of the things I liked about WoW's AH. Remote auction was pretty nice.

I also liked Aion's, after they made some changes to it. Better search functions + the ability to buy one from a stack (no more spending 7 million kinah for a stack of 200 manastones to fill my last 2 slots woo!). It was just more user friendly.

Why do we need retainers to list items? Why not have certain NPCs that can do it for us? That whole part seems silly. We interact with an NPC and it goes directly to selling items from our inventory.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

The one thing I would like to see is an adjustment to retainers as the only entity that can list items. The problem with retainers is that it keeps the real seller anonymous. If we must use retainers to list things on the MB, you should be able to "click through" on the name of the retainer and see who they report to.

+1 to AlphaFox regarding improving the MB search function. They should implement the exact algorithm used by XIVDB.

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Why does it matter who the real seller is?

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Why does it matter who the real seller is?

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So we can hunt them down and carve out the eyes!

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Originally Posted by Rin_Kuroi

Why do we need retainers to list items? Why not have certain NPCs that can do it for us? That whole part seems silly. We interact with an NPC and it goes directly to selling items from our inventory.

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Retainers are already certain NPCs

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Originally Posted by Rin_Kuroi

No you're not. They are retainers. Functionally different then NPCs found in the world.

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You can find my retainer on Ragnarok in Lavender Beds, if you want ^^

Or do you mean more something like this, all retainers gathered in a room?

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...ow/Markets.jpg

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Originally Posted by Felis

Retainers are already certain NPCs

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No you're not. They are retainers. Functionally different then NPCs found in the world. There's zero reason to attach the selling of items to them. The same goes for storage.

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Originally Posted by Rin_Kuroi

No you're not. They are retainers. Functionally different then NPCs found in the world. There's zero reason to attach the selling of items to them. The same goes for storage.

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They are, by definition, NPCs. NPC = non-player character. The only differences from other NPCs is that they are yours and that you can call them to your location (as long as there is a bell).

The real question is, why do you mind using retainers for selling stuff? It's EXACTLY the same as selling it through an NPC.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

They are, by definition, NPCs. NPC = non-player character. The only differences from other NPCs is that they are yours and that you can call them to your location (as long as there is a bell).

The real question is, why do you mind using retainers for selling stuff? It's EXACTLY the same as selling it through an NPC.

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While retainers are non-playable they are different from the npcs that populate the world. I made sure to call out that distinction. Please don't ignore that. The whole point is to streamline a very archaic and clunky system. Many many other games do it.

EDIT: I'd say go one step further and have buying and selling done at the market board. Forget world NPCs and retainers all together.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Why does it matter who the real seller is?

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Knowing who the seller is would enable direct contact, potential negotiation of price or long term supply, etc.

just bring the FFXI AH system over.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Knowing who the seller is would enable direct contact, potential negotiation of price or long term supply, etc.

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Fair enough, maybe a message service.

*Complains that things can't be bought in singles*

*buys stack, uses one, resells as stack on mb instead of singles*

Can't wrap my head around this logic. Anyhow the stacks are usually cheaper "per" item than singles due to the nature of bulk demand. The option to buy a single at "stack price" would be essentially ripping off the seller. I'm contrast singles usually sell for higher costs due to both post limitations (sale limits per retainer) and lower sums (total cost vs stacks) This is why you have people who sell singles make more money per item.

Regardless I don't think you should be able to buy a single from a stack. You certainly can't do it in real life in most cases.

If singles are "worth" more, then why aren't people selling it that way more often instead of the near limitless bundles I always see?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

If singles are "worth" more, then why aren't people selling it that way more often instead of the near limitless bundles I always see?

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because each retainer only has 20 sell slots and they have 50 to sell along with 30 other items of different types.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

because each retainer only has 20 sell slots and they have 50 to sell along with 30 other items of different types.

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The items I sell in small stacks (1-5) I normally just throw 4-5 listings of them up there. When they sell, I list more.

Listing a wide variety of items is a good way to make sure you sell steadily anyway.

I think the reasons why retainers are your market vehicle as opposed to just uploading the items yourself is for privacy reasons. If the item is crafted, you can usually see who made it at the bottom if you preview it.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I think the reasons why retainers are your market vehicle as opposed to just uploading the items yourself is for privacy reasons. If the item is crafted, you can usually see who made it at the bottom if you preview it.

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This is the case even for food. So when you eat that pie, you're eating a little bit of me too.

How about that?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

If singles are "worth" more, then why aren't people selling it that way more often instead of the near limitless bundles I always see?

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If I have 50+ of something I really can't be arsed to relist every few hours. I just put up the whole stack and make it cheaper than single items. It's faster and sure gil. Listing as singles takes longer.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

If I have 50+ of something I really can't be arsed to relist every few hours. I just put up the whole stack and make it cheaper than single items. It's faster and sure gil. Listing as singles takes longer.

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Depends on the items tho. I will gladly Spend 1k for a single item than 900 a piece for 10.