Trading gil for gil between servers - Is this against the rules?

I would like to get an answer from a Dev if possible.

If a player from A. Server wants to transfer to B. Server and vice versa, can the 2 players transferring out of their servers trade their gil for gil?

For example,
1. Player A in Gilgamesh has 5 mil wants to transfer to Hades.
2. Player B in Hades has 5 mil wants to transfer to Gilgamesh.
3. Players are limited to 1m per character per transfer.
4. To bypass this, the two players agree to trade 5m for 5m.
5. Player A gets 5m from Player B in Hades.
6. Player B gets 5m from Player A in Gilgamesh.

Would a transaction like this be against the rules? It is all in game trading and no real life money involved.

Could I get some comments from the devs?

Seems like a RMT to me :D, but i hope you get the devs approval.

RMT stands for Real Money Tranfer/Trade. I think. It's not allowed to trade something with real life value to something with only game value or vice versa.

Trading In-game items/services seems fine to me, even if it's across servers. It's a good idea to write the rules of the exchange in game chat, both to prove it's not RMT and to ensure you don't get scammed.

Assuming both stocks of gil was legitimately made, I don't see why it wouldn't be fine. Trading is a normal function of the game, regardless of what each person in the transaction gets; so if someone wants to hand over 1/10/100 mil gil to someone else without anything in return (in this case, on one server at a time), that is their prerogative. However, I wouldn't expect SE to step in if the trade goes south, as each trade is done separately on each server, and technically not counted as the same.

Would this be against TOS?

Grey area really and I can't imagine much of an issue if it was a one time transaction for both players. I imagine making a habit of such a risky trade would possibly get the accounts flagged for RMT like activities.

I think its fine. The real issue is that GM's can't intervene in the case one or the other gets scammed during the transaction though. Even if the agreement is made and logged ingame via /tells were talking about two separate worlds, possibly 4 separate characters, which i imagine is something the GM's can't monitor.

However, there is also an official premise that things that GM's can't intervene or monitor tend to fall under unacceptable behavior. For example, server wide lottery games run by players.

I hope it's fine. I don't exactly see anything wrong with it. But I don't want to start actively advertising for a possible trade and then get slapped on the wrist ;/

One of the reasons GMs would probably say to not do it is, how are they supposed to discuss the terms in game? Can't verify scam etc?

How do the funds get transferred? Alts?

Think it would be third parties in both cases or via FC facilities. So it would be something like you are to transfer this amount of gil to this person. Or they setup alts on eachothers servers do the transfer that way and then figure it out how to deal with the rest.

Sure there is a lot of risk to this venture, but it is a risk I am willing to take. They are already forcing us to throw away all our hard earned gil while we are paying them to transfer us, I demand I keep at least most if not all of my gil.

If this isn't against ToS, then I will gladly take the risk. Though I am going to a JP server, people are a lot more... trustworthy (lack of a better word...) there; so that's something.

Well let's see... If you talk about it in public like you're doing right now, and at some point either you or the other person screw each other over the gil. Then yes, it's against the ToS and you might just get banned.

What you could do is buy 5mil worth of stuff from mb you know sells well.

And then sell them back on your new server.

hope this helps

why not just buy items of value. Mats that are expensive etc. Then just sell them when you get there?

Edit: posted from the first page lol. Didn't see the identical post until too late.

I don't see this being punishable at all. You are free to give your Gil to whoever you want provided you don't get real money for it.

The actual problem is enforcement. Normally a GM can enforce a player-based agreement if it was written somewhere in chat in case one of the sides gets scammed. On this case... it'll be hard to do since you are talking about 4 Characters in 2 different servers.

You can, maybe probably get around it by making Alts, inviting all 4 in server, make the written agreement, and then repeat this process on the other server.

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Originally Posted by SevenHeavens

What you could do is buy 5mil worth of stuff from mb you know sells well.
And then sell them back on your new server.
hope this helps

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This. In fact, you could even increase your net worth doing this.
Easiest stuff to look for would be Materia, those Allagan pieces (you'd be surprised how many people sell them at or below selling-to-vendor cost on the MB), and just general crafting materials :D

this would be against the rule since you bypass the limit this way and they made the limit because of balancing reasons of the market and the amount of gill ina server

I am using the MB to get rid of most of the gil right now, but I do still have quite a bit left. Also, making a profit is near impossible for me. I am moving from Gilgamesh, probably the most inflated market in all of MMO history, to Chocobo, where people aren't as greedy. Everything in Chocobo is less than 50% value than Gilgamesh. For example fat cats in Gilga are currently selling for xxx,xxx gil and in Choc they are only xx,xxx gil...

I would really like a word from a GM\Dev though. There are too many leeways and loopholes to this whole transfer gil limit issue and my question is, is there a written ToS paragraph about this? If not, are we allowed to do it?

this wouldn't be against the tos as it is 2 players trading legitimately made gil, HOWEVER this is a trade that would be at your own risk as there would be no way for GM's to intervene as it is cross server. Most games have allowed it between softcore and hardcore for example as it is not trading with 3rd party sources for real money but always state at your own risk if you get scammed it was the risk you took. The safest way is to use the MB but sometimes this might require you taking a hit if the values are often smaller on the server your transferring too.

How is the trade being made, exactly? You want to leave Gilgamesh to go to Chocobo, and someone wants to leave Chocobo to go to Gilgamesh? They would be leaving most of their Gil behind right when they transferred anyway, and wouldn't be able to trade it with you. Maybe I misread and misunderstood your post?

Anyway, I would also like to see a GM respond to this, mainly out of curiosity. I think it sort of falls into that "Don't talk about it" category, sort of like people who use parsers (officially, it's against the ToS, buy Yoshi P. said that so long as you don't bring up using it, you'll be fine) and trading money between alts in other ways since you can't add yourself to your friends list.

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Originally Posted by Amiaze

How is the trade being made, exactly? You want to leave Gilgamesh to go to Chocobo, and someone wants to leave Chocobo to go to Gilgamesh? They would be leaving most of their Gil behind right when they transferred anyway, and wouldn't be able to trade it with you. Maybe I misread and misunderstood your post?

Anyway, I would also like to see a GM respond to this, mainly out of curiosity. I think it sort of falls into that "Don't talk about it" category, sort of like people who use parsers (officially, it's against the ToS, buy Yoshi P. said that so long as you don't bring up using it, you'll be fine) and trading money between alts in other ways since you can't add yourself to your friends list.

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I would imagine they would both make alts then transfer the 5 mil gil to those alts. Then in turn use those alts to transfer to gil to the world transferred character.

You should open a ticket if you want to be safe, however I can see a few reasons not to do it unless you get confirmation from a GM that it's 100% fine.

- If the RMT Task Force have any automatic checks in place to notify them of large gil transfers in suspicious circumstances, these transactions are almost certain to get flagged even though they are not RMT. It's a lot harder to get a banned account back later than it is to avoid getting banned to start with.
- Technically speaking, you could say the value of 1gil on Chocobo and 1gil on Gilgamesh isn't exactly the same. All of the servers have slight differences in their economy and they won't have the exact same amount of gil in circulation. While what you are doing isn't actually changing the total amount of gil on either server, the difference in the value of what you would be trading to the other player and they would be trading to you could make it qualify as RMT. Even though there is no actual RMT taking place because you aren't worried about the difference in value of the gil at all.

And of course, no matter what happens you can't expect any help at all from the support team if something goes wrong and one person loses all of their money. It's not their job to oversee that kind of interaction.

I would definitely open a ticket and just ask a GM directly. Hopefully you'll get a helpful one who will confirm the situation.

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

I am using the MB to get rid of most of the gil right now, but I do still have quite a bit left. Also, making a profit is near impossible for me. I am moving from Gilgamesh, probably the most inflated market in all of MMO history, to Chocobo, where people aren't as greedy. Everything in Chocobo is less than 50% value than Gilgamesh. For example fat cats in Gilga are currently selling for xxx,xxx gil and in Choc they are only xx,xxx gil...

I would really like a word from a GM\Dev though. There are too many leeways and loopholes to this whole transfer gil limit issue and my question is, is there a written ToS paragraph about this? If not, are we allowed to do it?

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This actually indicates that you'll make a TREMENDOUS profit, if you're allowed to do this. While you'll have the same amount of gil, you'll have TEN TIMES the buying power once you make your move.

Personally, I don't see any reason why you'd be disallowed from trading 50 million to someone's alt or main on Gilgamesh in exchange for their alt on Chocobo trading 50 million to your alt or main there. The issue comes from the fact that that person would need to be a HUGE SUCKER whom you're exploiting for all he's worth. Essentially, you're trading him peanuts on Gilgamesh in exchange for diamonds on Chocobo.

This kind of thing is the whole reason why there's a cap on the gil you can take with you in the first place. SE is well aware that economies are different from server to server, and that someone who's barely average wealth on one server could become a weathy mogul simply by taking that money to another...

But, as far as I know, SE has no rule against someone throwing their money away if they want to, so long as the agreement is clear, so feel free to take this poor fool to the woodshed!

That is true, but it's been 2 years since launch. The devs specifically said that the average gil on the average player is actually quite high and that was over half a year ago.

You have to consider, what is a lot of gil? In a server like Gilgamesh, where people charge ridiculous prices... 50m may even be chump change. I hardly do any crafting and I managed to get 20m+ over the past 2 years. I'm not saying we should be able to keep ALL out gil when transferring, but at least increase the amount. I would say at least 5m or even 10m. 1m at this point is just too damn low.