The skills Scholar should have got.

Since we all know that scholar abilities pretty much past 52 are pretty situational. These are the scholar abilities we should have got.

60: Dissipation
Restores 20% of maximum MP.
Takes 20% of the caster's life.
Cooldown: 30s

No thanks. Other than Dissipation, I love SCH's new abilities.

I use Broil, Deployment Tactics, and Emergency Tactics fairly often.

Broil is a straight up superior nuke.

ET and DT are raiding tools. DT is good anytime a cure 3 is good, except proactive. Also good for doubling up E4E to the off-tank. ET is good any time a shield is not useful: such as when the shield would wear off before being hit again, or shields are already up. For example, succor, then ET+succor, for substantially better group healing.

I'd argue that the only useless skill of that bunch is Dissipation. I have to invent a fairly contrived situation where it works out to my benefit overall.

None of the abilities SCH has are useless, in fact from HW content only dissipation would need a slight tweak.. I would say, if it restored 20% mp along with aetherflow stacks, it would at least approximately negate the mana cost of a new fairy that you need to resummon. Or the best would be to make fairy "reappear" after dissipation is finished. Either way SCH is totally fine as it is.

Worst suggestions ever. Broil is amazing. Deployment Tactics? Cast it on a WAR with their stance up and get a 6k crit Adlo, follow up with a Deployment Tactics and you just gave your raid a 12k Galvanize. Emergency Tactics turns your next Adlo into a 5-10k Physick (if it crits it doubles the potency of the heal instead of 1.5 like normal crits). Dissapation is kinda eh...but it's good for burning down the last 10% of a fight

Is this thread serious? Like really....is it serious? The most powerful class in the game gets more powerful in the expansion and we get "fixes" like this. Broil, Emergency tactics and deployment tactics are serious powerful as is. Dissipation is highly niche but when you need to use it dear lord is it powerful.

I have been having fun this evening deploying crit adlos in Alexander savage. Been nuking things in clerics with Broil. Using that sweet sweet emergency succor to out out some nice aoe healing.

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

Is this thread serious? Like really....is it serious?

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I think if you look at the vast majority of the OP's created threads, you can get the answer to that question.

Take my Broil away and I'll cry.
Also while I haven't had a need for Dissipation I use ET quite a bit.

And there's no reason NOT to use Deploy when you pop E4E.. (not counting raiding when you may need it? IDK I don't raid so much). I use it constantly.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Since we all know that scholar abilities pretty much past 52 are pretty useless or situational.

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Come again?

Here are some better ones than the ones we have.
Level 56 Gift of grace: Gives 1,500mp to a party member Cooldown 2.5s
Level 60 Sacred soil 2: 30% damage reduction for 20s for 1 aetherflow. Cooldown 30s or
Friend: Summon your highest Ilevel retainer. Cooldown 60s

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

60: Dissipation
Increases caster's healing magic potency by 50%.
Increases mana cost of all healing spells by 100%.
Duration: 15s
Cooldown: 180s

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As if MP costs on healing spells weren't already high enough.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

As if MP costs on healing spells weren't already high enough.

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Honestly I was a level 50 SCH for a long time. Level 60 feels like they increased Mana costs a TON...

honestly

broil is just a straight damage upgrade and a good one at that
deployment tactics is a huge help(completely trivialize on a crit) big AoE
emergency tactics is amazing with succor since 90% of the time it's in response to aoe damage and moving healthbars is what matters since the shield will likely be gone before the next aoe
indomitability is just an amazing aoe heal
and dissipation while usually un-useful has moments where that extra 3 aetherflow and huge potency boost make all the difference in the world

Unlike most classes, scholars post-50 skills are all supplements filling gaps the class had before
They do nothing but make scholars much better and more versatile

compared to the new hoops most classes have to now jump through just to keep on par with what they used to be scholar got one of the very best expansion treatments

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Honestly I was a level 50 SCH for a long time. Level 60 feels like they increased Mana costs a TON...

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It's no different. We just had piety reset.

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Originally Posted by Viviza

It's no different. We just had piety reset.

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We had more mana before compared to the mana cost of our abilities.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

We had more mana before compared to the mana cost of our abilities.

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mana costs are a percentage of base mana pool.
before expansion hit we had gear many tiers past the base 50 set
At the moment we are using relatively basic gear for 60

so basically our characters are, in a very real way, weaker at 60 than we were at 50

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Originally Posted by Nihility

mana costs are a percentage of base mana pool.
before expansion hit we had gear many tiers past the base 50 set
At the moment we are using relatively basic gear for 60

so basically our characters are, in a very real way, weaker at 60 than we were at 50

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Just to expand on this point further.

WHM@50 has a base PIE 242
Assume a crafted i70 set fully melded with PIE for a total of 139 PIE
Total PIE is 242 + 139 = 381 PIE for a total of 4,605 MP
Cure costs 133 MP @ 50 so you can cast a total of 34 Cures with this MP pool.

WHM@60 has a base PIE 261
Assume a crafted i180 set fully melded with PIE for a total of 494 PIE
Total PIE is 261 + 494 = 755 PIE for a total of 14,080 MP
Cure costs 422 MP @ 60 so you can cast a total of 33 Cures with this MP pool.

That's pretty comparable. Can do the math for the "ilvl" cap as of 2.1 and (most likely) 3.1.


WHM@50 has a base PIE 242
Assume a crafted i90 set fully melded with PIE for a total of 206 PIE
Total PIE is 242 + 206 = 468 PIE for a total of 5,135 MP
Cure costs 133 MP @ 50 so you can cast a total of 38 Cures with this MP pool.

WHM@60 has a base PIE 261
Assume a crafted i210 set fully melded with PIE for a total of 821 PIE
Total PIE is 261 + 821 = 1,082 PIE for a total of 16,195 MP
Cure costs 422 MP @ 60 so you can cast a total of 38 Cures with this MP pool.

So, yes, an i130 healer at 50 will be capable of much more for level 50 content than an i210 healer at 60 for level 60 content.

[EDIT] Just some perspective with an i130 set @ 50:

WHM@50 has a base PIE 242
Assume a crafted i130 set fully melded with PIE for a total of 279 PIE
Total PIE is 242 + 279 = 521 PIE for a total of 5,711 MP
Cure costs 133 MP @ 50 so you can cast a total of 42 Cures with this MP pool.

Broil and Deployment Tactics are freakin' epic. Dissipation, not so much.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

60: Dissipation
Restores 20% of maximum MP.
Takes 20% of the caster's life.
Cooldown: 30s

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Maybe your fairy gets temporarily immobilized for 10 seconds of insta-casts of healing spells. All fairy abilities are on cooldown at the end of the Dissipation. Cooldown: 150 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Since we all know that scholar abilities pretty much past 52 are pretty situational. These are the scholar abilities we should have got.

60: Dissipation
Restores 20% of maximum MP.
Takes 20% of the caster's life.
Cooldown: 30s

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Isn't Convert already in the game? XD

Also, why is it that a large majority of skills you sometimes create usually have a life steal to the user? Don't healers already have a pretty low HP pool as it is?

Just wondering is all. :p

Just curious, what if disappation on top of what it already did, doubled any effects on the fairy. So whispering dawn would give a twice a potent regen and fey wind have a 6% attack speed boost to party members

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Since we all know that scholar abilities pretty much past 52 are pretty situational. These are the scholar abilities we should have got.

60: Dissipation
Restores 20% of maximum MP.
Takes 20% of the caster's life.
Cooldown: 30s

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I read that as take 20% of a casters life. Hahahahahaha watch out SMN and BLMs!

Screw Dissipation and just give SCH Spur.

Now have fun watching fairy healing on a Rouse+Spur+Fey Illumination Eos.

So we should replace a perfectly useable cooldown with a completely useless skill most scholars wouldn't even put on their bar?

Really, who needs more MP as a scholar lol.

Apparently the OP does. He was complaining in the other thread. While the debate STR vs VIT is one thing, he seems to have found out a way to run out of mana on SCH.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I am tired of seeing so many tanks stacked with vitality. Bosses taking forever to die.

Vitality does not increase healing done to you at all. I would rather have you doing more damage so the fights don't take forever and I run OOM. :'3

I'd rather rather you stay in your tank stance. I see people going full vitality and tanking in non-tank stance and that stinks a lot. Only switch out when your not actively being attacked.

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Some new abilities to replace some of the ones we have would be good. aka Deployment tactics and Dissipation.

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Originally Posted by Marcu18

Some new abilities to replace some of the ones we have would be good. aka Deployment tactics and Dissipation.

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Touch my Deployment Tactics and I will cut you deep.

I can't touch it. The SE developers have to.

This has to be a troll thread....useless abilities? Wat? Dissipation could use a little work....maybe auto-summons Fairy upon end....but that's about it....

deployment tactics looks awesome, i can't wait till i get that ability. Dissipation is meh. Really i think SCH's got some awesome new abilities, don't need anything to bring up MP. Just bring pots and use Aetherflow

Dissipation#1
Increase Magical Damage dealt by (a number)% [Probably 10%]
Increase Healing Potency by 20%
Sacrifice fairy, gain 3 Aetherflow stacks.
Duration of 30 secs.
180 CD.

Dissipation#2
Increase Healing Potency by 20%
Sacrifice fairy, gain 3 Aetherflow stacks.
Duration of 15 secs.
90 CD.

Dissipation#3
Increase Healing Potency by 20%
Sacrifice fairy, gain 3 Aetherflow stacks.
Additional Effect: Your next Summon or Summon II will cost no MP and be instant.
Duration of 30 secs.
CD 180.

;C

Again though, SCH isn't in a bad place, this skill is just very "situational." Also Deployment tactics is GOD. Please don't even talk about taking it away, it hurts my heart. ;-;

I have used Dissipation a few times successfully as a Scholar in Savage. It's not a very good skill, but it has saved the day here and there so I'm a bit conflicted. What it does is gets you out a very sticky situation and puts you in a slightly crappy one later.

I think Dissipation would be better if the reward was higher. Either a boost to the overall percentage gained to healing (I heard that the 20% isn't even worth it as the fairy healing for 30 seconds greatly outweighs it.) or making it boost spells and abilities. To be honest, if I had to rework Dissipation I'd do it like this...

Gives the user three aetherflow and desummons their fairy and summons the opposite fairy. So if you used Dissipation with Selene, she would go away and Eos would replace her. Based on which fairy was desummoned the Scholar would gain a different effect. If Selene is desummoned, maybe the entire party gets a haste buff (which can override or stack with Fey Wind). Maybe like 10%? (This is once every 3 minutes, you know). If Eos is desummoned, give the Scholar 20% more healing on spells and abilities.

That makes Dissipation a lot better I think. As for Emergency Tactics, eh. I'd have gotten Critical Adloquiums with it before and healed someone for like 15k before. It's not bad. I mainly use it in situations where a shield won't do jack shit (prey in A2S) or if someone just need a big heal. I rarely use it with Succor except in double SCH situations, but maybe I should use it more (usually Medica II or Aspected Helios is fine), but I don't think it's very good with Succor. I'd rather shield personally. I won't knock the skill too much. It's good. Not great, but good. If I had to improve it, maybe make the next shield spell instant cast? (It is called EMERGENCY tactics after all.)

As for Deployment tactics? I think it's great. No complaints. I use it when both tanks are tanking something or if everyone having Eye for an Eye makes sense.

Broil is good. Direct upgrade from Ruin. Should always be used. Good stuff. No complaints.

Indominability is exactly what SCH was missing from 2.X. Great spell, no complaints.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

Gives the user three aetherflow and desummons their fairy and summons the opposite fairy. So if you used Dissipation with Selene, she would go away and Eos would replace her. Based on which fairy was desummoned the Scholar would gain a different effect. If Selene is desummoned, maybe the entire party gets a haste buff (which can override or stack with Fey Wind). Maybe like 10%? (This is once every 3 minutes, you know). If Eos is desummoned, give the Scholar 20% more healing on spells and abilities.

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I do really like this. It would make Fairy swapping sooo much more rewarding and beautiful even. Everything about the idea is pleasing. It makes the skill less clunky and OH SHET or I NEED MOAR ENERGY DRAINS to Tactical utility for days. xD

What I dislike about Dissipation really is that we have to generally blow Swiftcast to get the fairy back. It's supposed to be "oh shit" skill but it requires us to save what is arguably our biggest panic button (Swiftcast -> Resurrection) just to balance it. Like if someone dies (or has died in the last 60 seconds) and I reeeeally need Aetherflow, Dissipation is just.. creating a lesser problem later. I dislike that it puts us in a crappy situation later. Not to mention the sheer waste of MP you use just to resummon (and I do understand that with three stacks of Aetherflow, the raw healing you CAN do with that saves more than what the fairy is worth in MP but just because you have three stacks of Aetherflow doesn't mean you need to use them all right away.)

I get that Scholar is in a very good position right now. Good healer, very balanced in terms of utility. But I don't think it's unreasonable to request a change to at least Dissipation.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Since we all know that scholar abilities pretty much past 52 are pretty situational. These are the scholar abilities we should have got.

60: Dissipation
Restores 20% of maximum MP.
Takes 20% of the caster's life.
Cooldown: 30s

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BLM got this like.... back in 1.0.


It's called convert >___________>;

Suggested scholar change:



Dissipation
Cast: Instant Recast: 120 Seconds

Orders your pet to prison shank the other healer, because who even needs them?
Player dies in real life, all of his or her possessions are transferred to your retainers.

Additional Effect: If skill is used on a White Mage, you gain the ability to cast regen.
If skill is used on an Astrologian, the bard will sing your praises and thank you for
your services, because that douche was giving everybody else the good cards.

Acquired: Scholar Lv. 60
Affinity: SCH

I really love Rubiss' idea for a fairy switching Dissipation. That would actually make the skill very cool.

Best use of Dissapation, before a fight like Alex Savage:

1) Start raid with Eos out.
2) Get to the boss
3) Rouse+Whispering Dawn+Fey Illumination
4) Have WAR immediately use Convalescence (make sure they're in defiance)
5) Adloquium the WAR
6) Deployment Tactics the WAR
7) Start the fight with a huge potency Regen for 20-25s and a 9-12k Galvanize on the raid.
8) Swiftcast your Fairy out in 30s.

+80% Potency to that Adloquium with Defiance+Covalescence+Fey Illumination+Dissipation.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Best use of Dissapation, before a fight like Alex Savage:

1) Start raid with Eos out.
2) Get to the boss
3) Rouse+Whispering Dawn+Fey Illumination
4) Have WAR immediately use Convalescence (make sure they're in defiance)
5) Adloquium the WAR
6) Deployment Tactics the WAR
7) Start the fight with a huge potency Regen for 20-25s and a 9-12k Galvanize on the raid.
8) Swiftcast your Fairy out in 30s.

+80% Potency to that Adloquium with Defiance+Covalescence+Fey Illumination+Dissipation.

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So you waste a shet ton of emergency cds and Overheal with Eos' buffs for the limited 30 seconds MAX of shielding.... .__.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

To be honest, if I had to rework Dissipation I'd do it like this...

Gives the user three aetherflow and desummons their fairy and summons the opposite fairy. So if you used Dissipation with Selene, she would go away and Eos would replace her. Based on which fairy was desummoned the Scholar would gain a different effect. If Selene is desummoned, maybe the entire party gets a haste buff (which can override or stack with Fey Wind). Maybe like 10%? (This is once every 3 minutes, you know). If Eos is desummoned, give the Scholar 20% more healing on spells and abilities.

That makes Dissipation a lot better I think.

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I don't really care if dissipation stay as it is but I really love your idea. You should make a new thread with this idea.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

Gives the user three aetherflow and desummons their fairy and summons the opposite fairy. So if you used Dissipation with Selene, she would go away and Eos would replace her. Based on which fairy was desummoned the Scholar would gain a different effect. If Selene is desummoned, maybe the entire party gets a haste buff (which can override or stack with Fey Wind). Maybe like 10%? (This is once every 3 minutes, you know). If Eos is desummoned, give the Scholar 20% more healing on spells and abilities.

That makes Dissipation a lot better I think.

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I'm also a fan of this, but I think that could be a little OP. Not only are you getting a free fairy switch, you get buffs AND 3 AF stacks? For an instant, no MP cost 3 minute CD move, I think that could be a little much, so I would probably keep the AF stacks out of it. Otherwise the idea of having a move that actually encourages switching fairies sounds perfect!