Will the European servers ever move to europe?

Started playing this game...

But getting tired of dodging Aoe but still being hit, it just sucks.....

Wish there was an european server located in Europe.

They're currently working on it, it'll be ready sometime this year. October or November I think. There will be a 5 day maintenance for EU players though.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

They're currently work on it, it'll be ready sometime this year. October or November I think. There will be a 5 day maintenance for EU players though.

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Thanks that is an awesome thing!

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Originally Posted by Colorful

There will be a 5 day maintenance for EU players though.

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Well, they haven't said who the maintenance will affect, all we know is that there will be a five day maintenance while they set up and launch the European datacenter.

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Originally Posted by Myrri

But getting tired of dodging Aoe but still being hit, it just sucks.....

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This hasn't been an issue since what? 2.1?

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Originally Posted by Elazu

This hasn't been an issue since what? 2.1?

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Just started and it's a issue for me, I dodge stuff on screen but get hit by it later.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Well, they haven't said who the maintenance will affect, all we know is that there will be a five day maintenance while they set up and launch the European datacenter.

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Sure they haven't, but if you think about it a little there's no reason for other servers to go down to. The servers are physically at a different location, they're not going to take down the Japanese or Canadian servers to get the EU ones set up. The EU datacentre is going down for a long time because they have to transfer massive amounts of data and get it all working.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

This hasn't been an issue since what? 2.1?

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I can confirm that it's still an issue. The delay is noticeable.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

This hasn't been an issue since what? 2.1?

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It hasn't been an issue only for NA players. Europe still suffers (less, but still)

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Well, they haven't said who the maintenance will affect, all we know is that there will be a five day maintenance while they set up and launch the European datacenter.

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It will affect every character on a EU server.
But there is still the option to create and play a character on a NA or JP server during this 5 days.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

This hasn't been an issue since what? 2.1?

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I don't know, this creeps up still and I'm on a datacenter for my region. Maybe not as bad but it still happens every so often. Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

This hasn't been an issue since what? 2.1?

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It's never stopped being an issue for EU players. Since 1.0 Server side delay still exists for both, but atleast for NA players changing server location from JP to canada reduced latency. For EU, canada/JP is pretty much the same thing (depending on where you live)

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

It's never stopped being an issue for EU players.

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I'm a EU player myself.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I'm a EU player myself.

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Then you must have incredibly poor sensitivity to latency effects.
I expect for me personally I would still notice the server side delay even with reduced latency..but atleast then it would be bearable.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Then you must have incredibly poor sensitivity to latency effects.
I expect for me personally I would still notice the server side delay even with reduced latency..but atleast then it would be bearable.

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I just dodge as quickly as possible, so stuff doesn't hit me. :/

Delay is only really noticable when using more than one oGCD skill in one GCD, opening doors in dungeons, calling a retainer, stuff like that. Dodging aoe circles is not an issue.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I just dodge as quickly as possible, so stuff doesn't hit me. :/

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That's the thing. YOU HAVE TO! You can't do close plays because you have to dodge as soon as the indicator appears, even though the cast should still go for long enough. And sometimes you just can't do that, because of other reasons. And that's where delay gives issues.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

I just dodge as quickly as possible, so stuff doesn't hit me. :/

Delay is only really noticable when using more than one oGCD skill in one GCD, opening doors in dungeons, calling a retainer, stuff like that. Dodging aoe circles is not an issue.

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I'm a twitch (I believe that's what they call it these days). I also play a caster. See I can't help but notice it with everything I do. The ability clipping is really absurd.


Question: why do you think FFXIV has such a large global cooldown to begin with?

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

That's the thing. YOU HAVE TO! You can't do close plays because you have to dodge as soon as the indicator appears, even though the cast should still go for long enough. And sometimes you just can't do that, because of other reasons. And that's where delay gives issues.

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Sometimes it allows for some downright cheating as well. Whenever there's a telegraphed knockback effect I can cast Cure III after the knockback, but it will still heal all of the group (despite now being out of range).
I'm always amused by that one.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

That's the thing. YOU HAVE TO! You can't do close plays because you have to dodge as soon as the indicator appears, even though the cast should still go for long enough. And sometimes you just can't do that, because of other reasons. And that's where delay gives issues.

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Exactly since I play a healer it's annoying Titan on hard, Dodged. I see the animation I am on the opposite area, boom I get thrown in the pit.

Three tips for helping with the dodging issue:
1. If you are on Windows, google Leatrix's Latency Fix (confirmed works on Windows 10 even)
2. If you have an instant cast ability, e.g. you are a black mage with Scathe, toss that ability or spell as soon as you exit the AOE. This forces the server to update your position.
3. If you don't have an instant cast ability or it's not up for non-mages, make a hard right turn and run parallel to whatever it was you were dodging (e.g. run alongside the landslide.) The act of turning in another direction forces the server to acknowledge you changed positions. If you just keep running in a straight line, the server doesn't know you've moved because the client won't bother sending a notice until you've gone a certain distance. The directional change forces the update immediately.

As for the EU Data center move, I suspect it will only be Chaos data center servers affected by the long maintenance.

Thanks for the tips Catwho ;-)
This explains why I always get hit by AOE when I move left then right inside an AOE (for example when I notice I won't make it to the left)

Although I never really notice lag on avoiding AOE but on interactions like FC chest (the horror...), or of-GCD skills (it's a pain to miss Rouse or Spur before Enkindle...)

One more hint... the aoe markers on the ground don't signify the actual aoe getting triggered... need to watch the cast bars on the bosses for that. If you are out before the cast bar reaches 75-90% you will likely dodge everything - in case of extra latency call it 50%.

Once I started doing that titan hm kinda became a sleep fest and I once healed it with some really bad lag spikes like 20s fine then 5s full freeze. Was one of the few people that didn't die by the end. But yeah I remember the first month or so of titan hm... kept dying to stuff all the time - usually survived post heart and then died in the first few aoes...

Hints are great and stuff, but they really shouldn't be needed. The latency from Europe is noticeable (UK is like the only country that has decent delay out of Europe), requires European players to play better than American players, to have a better reaction time, and faster decision making. That should not be the case, and I am really looking forward to the EU datacenter.

Also I really pity OCE players, since their salvation is likely never going to happen. :/

I really, really wish there were servers for Australians. I try to compensate as much as I can for my lag issues but things like the Cutter's Cry Chimera are absurd. I can get the message now, run to the outer rim of the room, and still get hit by the eyes burn blue attack.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

I really, really wish there were servers for Australians. I try to compensate as much as I can for my lag issues but things like the Cutter's Cry Chimera are absurd. I can get the message now, run to the outer rim of the room, and still get hit by the eyes burn blue attack.

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Yeah, I have tried to dodge Ram's Voice using Elusive Jump, and it was like impossible, the jump animation triggered like in the middle of the cast, and I still got hit. The main reason I never use Elusive Jump to dodge as DRG.

Its funny how theres still atleast one person being like " hey, i dont mind paying the full monthly fee for this game, with me having a ping of 150, while others have a perfectly fine ping."
In the end, it isnt even about dodging aoes, if you are used to it, the delay doesnt bother you, but yeah.. new and inexperienced players be like "fk this laggy sht game" because they dont know whats wrong.

being in Australia, moving recently from a NA to a JP server, even 110 pings are a godsend. Yes, still some niggles, CDs are clunky, some AOEs still tricky, but can clear so many AOEs I had no hope of dodging before.
I don't know why some people still flatly refuse to believe this issue exists.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

If you just keep running in a straight line, the server doesn't know you've moved because the client won't bother sending a notice until you've gone a certain distance. The directional change forces the update immediately.

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Now I know why the jumping platforms in Fractal are glitchy. I run through them and nothing happens, I need to run back and stand still for a second or so.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

I really, really wish there were servers for Australians. I try to compensate as much as I can for my lag issues but things like the Cutter's Cry Chimera are absurd. I can get the message now, run to the outer rim of the room, and still get hit by the eyes burn blue attack.

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This is my first forum post here, ever. I logged in only to say, thank you! I'm sorry that you've had to suffer from this too but I'm so glad to hear someone else understands my pain. I call the Chimera my character's arch nemesis. I didn't do duty roulette for a couple of weeks because I was so worried I'd get Cutter's Cry. When I decided to stop being a scaredy cat (pun intended) and got into the duty finder, guess which one was the first I got? Yeeeup. FML. Didn't dodge it one single time. I felt so guilty because I thought to myself "I hope the others can carry me through this".

tbc

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In the end I didn't actually die but that was only because my HP was high enough that I didn't get one shotted, and thanks to the healer.

Can't wait for the EU server. The five or so days downtime will be worth it. I'll just play Terraria while I wait.
In a lot of cases, saw someone else mention it, it helps to run out and stop right in your tracks (perhaps turn a little) so the game will "register" where the heck you are. With a-hole Chimera though it doesn't work.

It wasn't a problem doing the Dhorme Chimera with my Bard for the relic quest, but that was because we did the snow slope cheaty thing. I won't do it with my poor Dragoon here until I see if it gets better with the EU server.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

being in Australia, moving recently from a NA to a JP server, even 110 pings are a godsend. Yes, still some niggles, CDs are clunky, some AOEs still tricky, but can clear so many AOEs I had no hope of dodging before.
I don't know why some people still flatly refuse to believe this issue exists.

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I'm considering moving to a JP server too to resolve the lag issue but the big one for Aussies, Tonberry, is perpetually full. Did you move to Tonberry or is there another JP server with a sizable English speaking population? Also, can you dodge the Cutter's Cry Chimera's Ram's Voice attack now?

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

It's never stopped being an issue for EU players. Since 1.0 Server side delay still exists for both, but atleast for NA players changing server location from JP to canada reduced latency. For EU, canada/JP is pretty much the same thing (depending on where you live)

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Glorious Nordic Internet here. It was hardly an issue even during 2.0 and no issue at all after they changed the poll rate.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

Yeah, I have tried to dodge Ram's Voice using Elusive Jump, and it was like impossible, the jump animation triggered like in the middle of the cast, and I still got hit. The main reason I never use Elusive Jump to dodge as DRG.

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I believe that is because you're standing still to the server until you land.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

The act of turning in another direction forces the server to acknowledge you changed positions. If you just keep running in a straight line, the server doesn't know you've moved because the client won't bother sending a notice until you've gone a certain distance. The directional change forces the update immediately.

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False. Server updates your position every 0.2 seconds regardless of what you're doing.

Every time someone post requesting this. Bringing up the topic they push back 1 week!

Chocobo racing will not have lags anymore, whouhou

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Originally Posted by Waliel

I believe that is because you're standing still to the server until you land.

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Yeah, I landed at about 90% cast = too late because of my delay. ;)

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Originally Posted by Waliel

Glorious Nordic Internet here..

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Don't even need glorious nordic internet for dodging not to be an issue from the EU, tbh.

I'm certainly looking forward to EU servers though, since that will finally make Ninja playable for non-NA/JP residents.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

Glorious Nordic Internet here. It was hardly an issue even during 2.0 and no issue at all after they changed the poll rate.

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Well if you arent sensitive enough to notice latency or delay issues, that's good for you I guess. Not noticing does make it more enjoyable to play.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

False. Server updates your position every 0.2 seconds regardless of what you're doing.

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In addition to your ping that is. Also, it's more then 0.2 seconds. Closer to 0.4

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Originally Posted by Elazu

Don't even need glorious nordic internet for dodging not to be an issue from the EU, tbh.

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You are a piece of work... you may have incredible internet but that's not the standard throughout Europe, just like it's not the standard throughout the US (...). Heck, there's lobbies here in the US trying to KEEP internet access in the 'stone age'. again...

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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I am happy that there will be real EU servers, but also afraid since there are NA players on the EU servers (I myself am a NA player), will we be forced to transfer servers if we are unable to play? It will be a sad thought since I have many friends on Odin, I wonder how it will affect the NA players as well.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

You are a piece of work... you may have incredible internet but that's not the standard throughout Europe, just like it's not the standard throughout the US (...). Heck, there's lobbies here in the US trying to KEEP internet access in the 'stone age'. again...

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I have pretty terrible internet actually, at least when it comes to speed.

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Originally Posted by Alaric1025

I am happy that there will be real EU servers, but also afraid since there are NA players on the EU servers (I myself am a NA player), will we be forced to transfer servers if we are unable to play? It will be a sad thought since I have many friends on Odin, I wonder how it will affect the NA players as well.

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You'll be able to play after the maintenance is over, but your connection will be worse. Your ping will likely be similar to what EU players have at the moment. It's up to you if you can play with it or not. Savage will be tougher for sure.