Padjal Race

Would anyone else be interested in seeing the Padjal become a playable race? Size ranging from slightly above the tallest lalafell to just shorter than the shortest mi'qote...

It's been brought up in the past and Yoshida(?) has said no, as there's only a handful of them and, apart from A-Towa-Cant, they don't leave the Twelveswood.

Considering the Padjal are a incredibly rare, it won't happen unless they want to mess with the lore. Also they're a special type of Hyur (can't say I know much more than that, but a quick google search should tell you more).

As has been said, padjal will never be playable, as they're not even a true race - as Colorful mentioned padjal are actually born as hyur, specifically, Midlanders, but sometime in late childhood they are selected by the elementals to become their emissary in Gridania, which by currently unknown means (somewhat disturbingly referred to in version 1.0 as being 'touched' by the elementals) causes them to cease aging physically, trapping them in the body of a child while also simultaneously causing horns to grow from their heads. So basically, you can't be born as a padjal, it's more a special status where you're chosen to be one by the elementals.

They do seem to be able to take leave of the forest occasionally though (Kan-E is repeatedly seen travelling around Eorzea after all - including all the way to the Churning Mists in Dravania), so they're not necessarily bound to the forest eternally, they just have to exercise caution with everything they do is within the will of the elementals. Hence as adventurers are free-spirited and pretty much 'do as they like', it makes it pretty conclusive they will never be select-able as a player 'race'.

Let's not. Aside from lore reasoning, there are too many already. :P

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Originally Posted by MiiyoAoi

Would anyone else be interested in seeing the Padjal become a playable race? Size ranging from slightly above the tallest lalafell to just shorter than the shortest mi'qote...

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Problem is, Padjal is no race.
Nobody get born as a Padjal, they get chosen by the Elementals

And if people really want to be a Padjal (Midlander only), they can just get the Ultima horns. That's close enough, right?

People seem to forget something crucial that even Yoshi-P as forgotten over the years... All characters in the world of FF14 aside from your own is non-canon so the reason YoshiP provided to explain why the Padgal are unplayable is very poor.

There can be only 1 Warrior of Light so why is everyone and their grandma is one? Only padjals can be white mage and yet, everyone is one. Ninjas are from Dohma but yet, there is a bunch who like us became ninjas by doing quests. Following the same logic, why is the Padjal race locked behind ''Lore'' reasons when there is obviously no lore boundaries in this game? This game being an mmo is lore breaking with thousands of people immune to Primal tempering and overly powerful characters, capable to thwart the best the Empire, Ishgard and the Ascians have to offer.

In fact, we should have all the rights to play a Padjal because we are the freakin' warrior of light, the chosen champion of Hydaelyn who will vanquish the most powerful of evil, Zodiark and the Ascians. But apparently, that unique warrior of light chosen by the world itself cannot be a Padjal because a Padjal are chosen by elementals and thus rare? That is soooo poor for an argument.

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

Following the same logic, why is the Padjal race locked behind ''Lore'' reasons when there is obviously no lore boundaries in this game? This game being an mmo is lore breaking with thousands of people immune to Primal tempering and overly powerful characters, capable to thwart the best the Empire, Ishgard and the Ascians have to offer.

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And again, they are no own race.
And the decision to make Padjal the communication link between the Gridania people and the Elementals go back to Tanaka.
Also lorewise the immunity to primal temper is because of the echo, which have lorewise many people (during 1.0 Minfillia collected many people with the echo for her first organisation, to explore this gift together).

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

In fact, we should have all the rights to play a Padjal because we are the freakin' warrior of light, the chosen champion of Hydaelyn who will vanquish the most powerful of evil, Zodiark and the Ascians. But apparently, that unique warrior of light chosen by the world itself cannot be a Padjal because a Padjal are chosen by elementals and thus rare? That is soooo poor for an argument.

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1. A Padjal get chosen by the Elementals
2. To get chosen, the Elementals have to see you to be worth for it (if you have a pure soul or so)
3. You have to be a Hyur teenager
4. You have to be born in Gidania
5. After you get chosen, a many years long training begin in the conjurer guild

Alone point 4 say that a player can't be a Padjal, because an adventurer isn't born in the city where he start.

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

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Seeing other players as White Mages, Ninjas, Paladins, etc. is accepted because it's vital to gameplay, there's no way around that unless it was a singleplayer game. Padjal on the other hand are different, they're not selected based off achievements you've accomplished so being the WoL has nothing to do with it.

It's not a poor argument, it's the lore that SE has set. Your argument on the other hand is "lore has been broken in this game before, why does it matter if it's done again?" which I consider to be a poor argument. Why not just let players become an Ascian while we're at it, or a pure-blood Garlean?

Padjals are children and are subject to regional censorship

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Originally Posted by Felis

And again, they are no own race.
And the decision to make Padjal the communication link between the Gridania people and the Elementals go back to Tanaka.
Also lorewise the immunity to primal temper go bck to the echo, which have lorewise many people.


1. A Padjal get chosen by the Elementals
2. To get chosen, the Elementals have to see you to be worth for it (if you have a pure soul or so)
3. You have to be a Hyur in the age of a teen
4. You have to be born in Gidania

Alone point 4 say the the player can't be a Padjal, because an adventure isn't born in the city where he start.

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My intention was not to start a debate since I believe the points you ignored are strong enough. But allow me to defend the others I provided.

-They are not their own race but they have characteristics that, let's face it, make them -very- different from normal Hyurs.
-As for the Echo, I beg you to differ. The Echo is the ''power to break the barriers of existence'' and seems to surprise many NPCs in the universe of FF14. Not many people have it I assure you.
-The Warrior of Light is chosen by Hydaelyn AND Midgardsomr as their champion. Two primeval beings whose judgement far surpass those of the Elementals in my opinion.
-Your character's age is unknown so it can be anything.
-Your character arrives from ''somewhere'' and has travelled the land. Nothing says you weren't born in one of the major cities. It is up to the player to decide.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Seeing other players as White Mages, Ninjas, Paladins, etc. is accepted because it's vital to gameplay, there's no way around that unless it was a singleplayer game. Padjal on the other hand are different, they're not selected based off achievements you've accomplished so being the WoL has nothing to do with it.

It's not a poor argument, it's the lore that SE has set. Your argument on the other hand is "lore has been broken in this game before, why does it matter if it's done again?" which I consider to be a poor argument. Why not just let players become an Ascian while we're at it, or a pure-blood Garlean?

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I fail to understand the first part of your argument as in contradicts itself and I mean no offence. Races are vital to gameplay too and classes are just as important lorewise. Go check the White Mage quest. You are literally supposed to be the only white mage in the world outside the Padjal race yet other player characters in the world are openly white mage. That alone is breaking your own lore thus making the argument invalid since it has been done countless times without any questioning.

A game or story creator has no limits to what he can do since a fantasy world can be bent and modified at will and people will accept whatever you choose to do with your world because you are its god. If the devs didn't make the Padjals playable, it's because they don't want it to be or can't due to technical reasons. Lore is never a problem unless its world changing which is not the case with the inclusion of a race like the Padjals. Look at the au ra for exemple. Their inclusion in the world is odd yet people still accept it as fact and don't question it because the devs words are law.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Padjals are children and are subject to regional censorship

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That is probably the only reason why the Padjals are unplayable. This ends the debate for me.

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

I fail to understand the first part of your argument as in contradicts itself and I mean no offence. Races are vital to gameplay too and classes are just as important. Go check the White Mage quest. You are literally supposed to be the only white mage in the world outside the Padjal race yet other player characters in the world are openly white mage. That alone is breaking your own lore thus making the argument invalid since it has been done countless times without any questioning.

A game or story creator has no limits to what he can do since a fantasy world can be bent and modified at will and people will accept whatever you choose to do with your world because you are its god. If the devs didn't make the Padjals playable, it's because they don't want it to be or can't due to technical reasons. Lore is never a problem unless its world changing which is not the case with the inclusion of a race like the Padjals. Look at the au ra for exemple. Their inclusion in the world is odd yet people still accept it as fact and don't question it because the devs words are law.

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No offence taken, but I don't believe races are vital to gameplay as they don't affect how an encounter is played or anything of the like. You don't go around looking for a midlander Monk when recruiting for your static, you look for a Monk of any race. If you can prove that races are somehow vital to gameplay, then fine I'll accept it, but as it is they're not from what my experience. Races are a visual thing, similar to glamour (I think they provide racial bonuses, but those are incredibly miniscule). I already covered that in my post, but yeah they've broken the lore before but that doesn't mean it should be done again. There's no workaround for that, it's either they made everyone the WoL and everyone a Paladin/White Mage/Ninja or whatever and suffer from the issue plaguing WoW where you're an unimportant character (I'm sure no one wants that), or just kept it so they're just adventurers and you're the "chosen one".

And no, lore junkies don't just accept anything that the developers choose to modify after they've already been set. Take a look at WoW's forums, you see people complaining about the messed up lore they've got now, how they should just scrap it all and if Warcraft 4 were to happen just continue on from Warcraft 3 like WoW never happened. A lot don't care sure (but that's because a lot couldn't care less about the lore), but the people that care for the lore will.

As for them being kids, yeah that's obviously a problem. I'm surprised they got away with skimpily dressed Lalafells as is, they use the "they're actually old but look young" excuse, but that's frequently used in Japanese media (anime especially) and yes I hear people going to jail for having suggestive media of 500 year old vampire children-things. I guess it's because they resemble potatoes more than children.

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

-As for the Echo, I beg you to differ. The Echo is the ''power to break the barriers of existence'' and seems to surprise many NPCs in the universe of FF14. Not many people have it I assure you.

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-The Warrior of Light is chosen by Hydaelyn AND Midgardsomr as their champion. Two primeval beings whose judgement far surpass those of the Elementals in my opinion.

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Then why want you work for the Elementals?

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

-The Warrior of Light is chosen by Hydaelyn AND Midgardsomr as their champion. Two primeval beings whose judgement far surpass those of the Elementals in my opinion.

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The rest of the universe could name you their champion, but if the Elementals are not interested, it wont help.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

As for them being kids, yeah that's obviously a problem. I'm surprised they got away with skimpily dressed Lalafells as is, they use the "they're actually old but look young" excuse, but that's frequently used in Japanese media (anime especially) and yes I hear people going to jail for having suggestive media of 500 year old vampire children-things. I guess it's because they resemble potatoes more than children.

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Well, there's nothing about lalafells that resemble kids other than their heigth.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

The rest of the universe could name you their champion, but if the Elementals are not interested, it wont help.



Well, there's nothing about lalafells that resemble kids other than their heigth.

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Their underdeveloped face, or really anything about their bodies. The middle-left one looks like a child to me honestly, it's just their potato torsos that make them look different.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...alafell_CG.png

Nanamo or Teledji don't look like children to me though, it just depends on how you make 'em look.

Padjal won't be a playable race ever. There are many reasons for this. Visually they are just Hyur children blessed and chosen by the elder ones to serve the forest. They are bound to the forest and to the spirits. They are not a new race. They are just Hyur children serving the forest eternally. They leave the forest only under strict circumstances.

Padjal are just non-or-slowly-aging Hyur with Horns. They are born of very specific Hyur bloodlines.

It'd be neat if they added some padjal horn shaped headgear.

Padjal aren't all children. They just stop aging physically. Look at Kan-E-Senna, for example, she doesn't resemble a child at all but doesn't age more than that too.

No. No, I don't. Even when sitting lore reasons aside, I don't want Padjal to be playable. If they ever add a new race, I pray it's something drastically different in terms of aesthetics. I already feel like Au Ra women were quite the missed opportunity for reasons I won't get into (the men are cool though) so, the last thing I would personally want is a new race that are quite literally just mini-hyur. That's just my 2 cents though. To each their own.

Neoteny, it's a thing. Lalafell are a totally neotenous race.

Considering we just got the Au Ra it'll probably be a very long time before they add anymore playable races.

But talking Padjal specifically, because some people would ruin it for others, that's why we can't have some things.

Hyur-like, size ranging from above Lalafell to below Miqo'te, and has horns.

Hmm, sounds like this other race I know... At least the girls.

The larger point here is, "Padjal aren't born, they're made. Adventurer's aren't made, they're born."

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The Padjal (角尊, Tsunomikoto?) are mysterious, holy figures in Gridanian culture in Final Fantasy XIV. They are seemingly unaging children born rarely from certain Hyur bloodlines in the Twelveswood, although the exact age at which they "stop aging" varies, leading to some discrepancies in their "apparent" age; some (like E-Sumi-Yan or O-App-Pesi) forever appear like preteens, while Kan-E-Senna appears more as a "late teen" of sixteen or seventeen years of age. Their age shows in some ways, such as grayed hair or dull skin tones, but they retain their youthful shape until death.

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Padjal

Hmm...I wouldn't play it but it would be cool to have in game. :D

I just started the 50+ white mage quests, and the #1 reason Ray-o-Senna has you running around doing things is because she is physically unable to leave the Twelveswood. She point blank says it.

Speaking of that, I was always kind of hoping Sylphie might eventually be revealed to be a Padjal. We know she has the talent to be a Hearer already, and she's still young enough.

To add a point: the WoL is likely "touched" by Hydaelin which prevent other primals and similar aether creatures to get you. Padjal are hyurs touched by the elementals of the Twelveswood to be their ambassadors.

I think they originally had them planned to be playable as they were shown in an old artwork along with Male Miqote. That probably got scrapped however due to Lore reasons.
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...oncept_Art.jpg
http://puu.sh/ka1cl/05bd4b5459.png
( Click the Image to Zoom in )

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I just started the 50+ white mage quests, and the #1 reason Ray-o-Senna has you running around doing things is because she is physically unable to leave the Twelveswood. She point blank says it.

Speaking of that, I was always kind of hoping Sylphie might eventually be revealed to be a Padjal. We know she has the talent to be a Hearer already, and she's still young enough.

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3.0 Spoilers

How does Kan-E-Senna leave then o_o in the 3.0 Story?

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

3.0 Spoilers

How does Kan-E-Senna leave then o_o in the 3.0 Story?

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She moved her forest duties to Raya

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I just started the 50+ white mage quests, and the #1 reason Ray-o-Senna has you running around doing things is because she is physically unable to leave the Twelveswood. She point blank says it.

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Play a bit more and you'll see that reason is BS.

Screw Padjal, I just want to play a character with the body and height of the Padjal and Alphinaud. I hate how the only way to be short as a male character is to play a Lalafell. I realy hope the next race will have short males with slender body type.

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Originally Posted by Felis

She moved her forest duties to Raya

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Ahh so they are not Physically unable to leave (like for example if they leave they would die.)
Its more if they leave without anyone looking after the elementals(listening to them) it would cause harm to the Twelveswood?

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

How does Kan-E-Senna leave then?

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Well... she'd expressly asked the elementals for leave so she could form the Twin Adders to fight the Garlean threat. The Garleans were encroaching on the Twelveswood much as the Ixal were, but factors more in 'efficiency' thanks to magitek. Understandably, the elementals gave her a wave cause hell if aether-powered machinery didn't pose a bigger threat than a bird-man with an axe. This isn't really a 3.0 thing, she's shown overseeing the Twin Adders at Carteneau and attending meetings in Ul'dah.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Ahh so they are not Physically unable to leave (like for example if they leave they would die.)
Its more if they leave without anyone looking after the elementals(listening to them) it would cause harm to the Twelveswood?

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I think they can leave of their own volition if they will it. Isn't that pretty much what A-Towa-Cant did? He did not want to stay in the Twelveswood, so he left to heal the world rather than just the forest.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Screw Padjal, I just want to play a character with the body and height of the Padjal and Alphinaud. I hate how the only way to be short as a male character is to play a Lalafell. I realy hope the next race will have short males with slender body type.

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Hah, trust me I'd kill for a nice strong, tough looking race where the girls aren't distinctly smaller, weaker, or young looking than the men of that race. Even the Roegadyn women are like.. Half the thickness of men, it's so dumb.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Ahh so they are not Physically unable to leave (like for example if they leave they would die.)
Its more if they leave without anyone looking after the elementals(listening to them) it would cause harm to the Twelveswood?

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They act as intermediaries between the Elementals and mortals. Without them, there's no communication possible between the Gridanians and beings that could wipe them out at a moment's notice.

Kan-E has to leave to fulfill her duties as head of state and commander of the military, but that's not a problem with Rayya-O, O-App, and E-Sumi. A-Towa-Cant's the only one to have left for personal reasons.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

They act as intermediaries between the Elementals and mortals. Without them, there's no communication possible between the Gridanians and beings that could wipe them out at a moment's notice.

Kan-E has to leave to fulfill her duties as head of state and commander of the military, but that's not a problem with Rayya-O, O-App, and E-Sumi. A-Towa-Cant's the only one to have left for personal reasons.

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Yeah I think the way it works is the Elementals have to grant express permission for it to occur, which is why Kan-E-Senna can leave, because without her and the Eorzean alliance who knows what would happen to the Twelveswood, but Raya and her brother are stuck in the forest. I guess A-Towa-Cant just got the favor of the Elementals to go around doing cleansing rituals and all elsewhere in the world.

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Originally Posted by Heal

i'd LOVE to play one, but as everyone else said, it doesn't really suit the lore, but i think SE could find a way around it if they really wanted to, for example, have some big disaster/threat happen near gridania, and the elementals freaks out/go haywire and create a shit ton padjal to protect the land, or something, idk, im sure SE could find a way to work it into the lore

Hopefully they'll use the cute bunny kid race they showed in the concept art, i really want another cute/young race other than Lalafell! :c they're too tiny

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Eh? What? What bunny race?

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Originally Posted by Soldowner

Eh? What? What bunny race?

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In a recent live letter there was talk of actually doing Viera in XIV but they couldn't make them unique enough to not infringe on the uniqueness of Miqo'te. So instead we got Au Ra, which were also going to be even more unique than what we got but there were fears of being maybe too 'unique' for the home audience (i.e. Japanese). Honestly, kind of glad Viera never happened. People seem to be managing just fine playing at Viera with the bunny ears.