How rare are hero cards?

When I first started, I saw Cloud on sale for 1mil coins, so I assumed they would all be a horrendous grind to get. Lightning and Firion are similar, asking you to go against an NPC with impossible rules for a tiny chance at them. But then I see Squall is as simple as beating each NPC once (which takes a similar amount of time as grinding for a single card, really), and Shantotto (as easy as participating in a tournament or two).
Now, these seem like wildly different difficulties in hunting. Are some cards simply really easy to get, while some really difficult? Or are they easier to get than they look?

let's see

warrior of light - hard
firion - medium to hard
onion knight - medium
cecil - hard
bartz - medium
terra - medium
cloud - hard
squall - easy
zidane - hard
tidus - hard
shantotto - easy
vaan - easy
lightning - medium to hard

some ppl have more, some people have less luck with some of these cards

If you're getting Lightning and Firion by dueling Tataru good luck, I haven't seen either after 600+ wins. Platinum cards obtainable through trials and WoD aren't hard to get unless you're really unlucky, and the rest are either from gold/platinum packs or placing 1st, 2nd or 3rd in tournaments, so unless you manage to beat all the win boosters on top of the rankings you'll have to rely on luck with those packs.

rng is rng got warrior of light in my first gold pack others got it after 1m mgp spent just hope rngesus is on ur side xD dont know about lightning since I got it after few tries (less than 20) there is no easy/hard cards only rng

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

let's see

warrior of light - RNG
firion - easy with tournament point cheating otherwise RNG
onion knight - RNG
cecil - easy with tournament point cheating otherwise RNG
bartz - RNG
terra - RNG
cloud - GRIND. not hard. just takes forever and is boring.
squall - easy
zidane - RNG
tidus - easy with tournament point cheating otherwise RNG
shantotto - easy
vaan - easy
lightning - easy with tournament point cheating otherwise RNG.

some ppl have more, some people have less luck with some of these cards

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fixed that for you. nothing hard about RNG. its RNG. aka dumb luck. same for all tourney cards. not hard to get if you abuse the system behind tourneys.

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Originally Posted by Windklinge

fixed that for you. nothing hard about RNG. its RNG. aka dumb luck. same for all tourney cards. not hard to get if you abuse the system behind tourneys.

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even with "tournament cheating" these cards are incredible hard to get, except you can log in 1 second after reset and have a person to wintrade with (even then there are already other people who will most likely outscore you anyway)

zidane, cloud and wol require you to farm masses of mgp, which isnt done in some days

and rng = medium difficulty

How is the Onion Knight medium difficulty? Do competent groups still run World of Darkness, or does it drop somewhere else as well?

World of Darkness is still being run. The groups aren't necessarily competent, but were they ever? Took me about 8 runs with ~30 minute queue each time. Finally got it on a run that took about 70 minutes (and that's after the long queue). So, medium drop rate, overall pretty hard.

I remember my first Onion Knight card dropped after more than 50 runs of WoD. I can't even imagine it today. >.<

Twenty hours of easy work is still twenty hours of work. I think we all recognize that nothing in triple triad is a real challenge, and everything requires luck. But by that same logic, I could say that learning the piano isn't hard. All it requires is a thousand hours of playing.

I've been eyeing Terra. She seems quick to get in an unsynced party. But I can't seem to gather one together. Would it take long to get via duty finder?

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

even with "tournament cheating" these cards are incredible hard to get, except you can log in 1 second after reset and have a person to wintrade with (even then there are already other people who will most likely outscore you anyway)

zidane, cloud and wol require you to farm masses of mgp, which isnt done in some days

and rng = medium difficulty

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RNG = RNG. there is no difficulty in RNG. its what it is. RANDOM. you could win instantly or basicly NEVER. same as playing the lotto irl.

as i said. clould is grind purely because it just takes forever. wol and zidane are based on RNG. you could get em with only 10000 mgp both like my gf did for example. or you could be beating your head againist RNG still up to date like a friend of mine who spend over 700k mgp and still hasnt gotter either of these 2. i personally didnt even bother with it because its based on RNG thats stacked againist you. its the same reason i dont play lotto on real live. saying RNG is hard or something is the same as saying winning the lotto is HARD or requires effort. it does not. its dumb luck.

I was just complaining about not being able to find a party for Ultros. And soon after, I found a party for Ultros.

If anyone wants the numbers (I know I do!), we saw three Terra cards from 35 runs, across eight party members. That's not enough hits for a good sample size, but it's all I have. If these numbers are accurate, then the probability to get the card is 3/(8*35)=3/280 ~= 1%.
Each run was a minute long, two paladins in sword oath, no healers. That's an estimated one hundred runs, at one minute per run, for an hour and a half expected work. I got mine long before that, and the only person in my party to get another card was just helping me out and didn't want it.

I'm saying all this because I would have killed for this info before I started. This basically means that you should be able to get a card within two hours of grinding. Which, actually makes it easier than some other cards I've seen.

the dungeon dropped ones are not that bad actually.

It's silly to say that getting any of the RNG cards is like playing the lotto. Winning the lottery has like a 1 in 500,000,000 chance (depending on what lottery you're talking about). A lot of dungeon cards are more like a 1/3 chance. While plenty are worse, the fact that something is RNG-based does not automatically mean there is no way to have any expectation about how long it'll take to get it. We just don't have a great amount of data for some cards.

Took me 350 runs of Dragon's Neck to get my Terra card. As a card hunter, I was keeping track.

Did you keep track of how many cards dropped total? 350 runs, times the eight people in your party, would give us a great sample size to test with.

And, a small update. On a whim, I checked party finder. I found a party for Battle in the Big Keep. I figure, may as well try this out. My luck's been pretty great while hunting these guys, so maybe I'll get lucky again, right?
He drops first flipping run. More than that, he dropped again for me less than ten runs later, before the party quit. Only one other person got it.

So! How am I going to farm World of Darkness? That's the only one left I can farm. What about the tournament cards, what's the rarity on those? All I can say is that I've been in four, and got Lightning on my fourth one. And a friend got Cecil on his first one.

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Originally Posted by Zorafin

Did you keep track of how many cards dropped total? 350 runs, times the eight people in your party, would give us a great sample size to test with.

And, a small update. On a whim, I checked party finder. I found a party for Battle in the Big Keep. I figure, may as well try this out. My luck's been pretty great while hunting these guys, so maybe I'll get lucky again, right?
He drops first flipping run. More than that, he dropped again for me less than ten runs later, before the party quit. Only one other person got it.

So! How am I going to farm World of Darkness? That's the only one left I can farm. What about the tournament cards, what's the rarity on those? All I can say is that I've been in four, and got Lightning on my fourth one. And a friend got Cecil on his first one.

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Of the 350 runs (most with DF) 2 members of my LS got theirs and iirc 3 people in the DF mentioned getting theirs. So take that as you will.