You know what i miss?

Leveling a job from 1 to 30, last time i did that was last year. I was hoping the 3 new jobs would allow me to start at level 1, but no. They gave us 3 lv30 jobs. Not only you have 20 actions to get used to at the same time, but it's like "here's your new class, it's lv30 already, we did the fun part and left you the boring grinding."

Is there any hope for a new lv1 class?

You know what I don't miss? Clicking 1-3 buttons over and over again to reach a level where it's not abysmally slow.

hm....if you want to play one of the new classes good, then you have to go to the low-level-dungeons too....don't you?

But yea, giving 3 lvl30 classes may misleads (for example) a DD to play a Tank without knowing anything about it!
I wonder how SE will manage this at 4.0
because atm it seems like it will be open for beginners...and if there are some new classes coming (surely will) how will it be for beginners? Can they start with a lvl 30 Job too?
I'm really looking forward to it ^^

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Originally Posted by Colorful

You know what I don't miss? Clicking 1-3 buttons over and over again to reach a level where it's not abysmally slow.

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that's always been the point of rpgs, you start with nothing and you work your way up by putting time in the game. No one wants a magic button to get you level max instantly, leveling is half the fun.

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Originally Posted by SerosJourney

But yea, giving 3 lvl30 classes may misleads (for example) a DD to play a Tank without knowing anything about it!

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I don't see how this can currently happen. You have to have a level 50 class to complete the story through 2.55 and get to Ishgard before you're able to unlock any of the new classes. One would think that by that point people would be familiar with the color coding system for tank/healer/dps. So, you pick up a new class. You equip your weapon and change job to that class. If you have a blue icon by your name... sorry buddy, you're a tank. You aren't a DPS no matter how much you may want to be or think you should be.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I don't see how this can currently happen. You have to have a level 50 class to complete the story through 2.55 and get to Ishgard before you're able to unlock any of the new classes. One would think that by that point people would be familiar with the color coding system for tank/healer/dps. So, you pick up a new class. You equip your weapon and change job to that class. If you have a blue icon by your name... sorry buddy, you're a tank. You aren't a DPS no matter how much you may want to be or think you should be.

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I believe he meant that a DPS who has never tanked before is rather unskilled with holding hate and skips all the 'tutorial' part that explains it.

IMO, leveling 1-30 is not all that fun. Then again leveling 35-60 is also not fun, so meh moot point.

I hope the new classes start at 50 or we get experience bonuses for having level 60s.

I hate leveling in this game. Honestly it doesn't need it, it has a story.

I hate leveling, so I was extremely grateful for the head start.

...You honestly found it that difficult to learn new skills at 30? Not trying to be rude but...
You get a small handful to learn, and how hard was it really to understand what to do?
And for the "The boring grining part" you were going to grind anyways from 1-30.
You could of went back to Sastasha and learned how to press 1 or 2 skills.
Haukke/30 was a perfect start AND it's a fun dungeon lol.

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Originally Posted by SerosJourney

But yea, giving 3 lvl30 classes may misleads (for example) a DD to play a Tank without knowing anything about it!

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Fun fact, most new tanks still don't know what they're doing by 30 even when they started at level 1.

Other fun fact, a fresh level 15 Marauder or Gladiator isn't going to know how to tank in a group setting either. Nothing in those first 15 levels explicitly teaches you how to tank.

Tanking is not difficult to learn. You accomplish it in the same manner you do DPS, by following a standard rotation. The only thing most newb Tanks have issue with is tanking more than one mob a a time. But understanding comes quickly.
Starting us at level 30 was a good move. It caused the 3 new Jobs, especially the Dark Knight, to feel a whole lot more complete than starting at level 1 would have.

I don't think i could have stomached leveling Dark Knight from 1 without access to Grit and the full 3 part enmity combo. Would have felt like Gladiator all over again. (Still does when I'm forced below Haukke for Leveling Roulette!)

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

Leveling a job from 1 to 30, last time i did that was last year. I was hoping the 3 new jobs would allow me to start at level 1, but no. They gave us 3 lv30 jobs. Not only you have 20 actions to get used to at the same time, but it's like "here's your new class, it's lv30 already, we did the fun part and left you the boring grinding."

Is there any hope for a new lv1 class?

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Nah, gets boring when you've done all the others before the expansion.

You know what I don't miss? Right! Having to exp every class from 1 to 30.
20 - 30 was the worse part of each class for me. Not many FATEs in South Shroud, poor exp from leves, 30 minutes wait times for dungeons...
I am so glad that now I can hop right into Central Coerthas, then N Than, then a few dungeons, Churning Mists and Hinterlands + dungeons.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

that's always been the point of rpgs, you start with nothing and you work your way up by putting time in the game. No one wants a magic button to get you level max instantly, leveling is half the fun.

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Yea but at the same time when you get a character in an rpg really late they usually know quite a bit of spells/abilities and don't start with only auto attack.
The best thing to see is your different jobs/classes as different characters.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

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You're not starting a new character, by the time you're level 50 you've battled godlike creatures and so on. You're not just some newbie adventurer anymore, your character is likely able to learn new skills faster than ever, and not resort to smashing dodos with their new greatsword. Leveling is half the fun? Well that's entirely subjective, I'd rather eat rotten Lalafell than level another class, I find it to be the most boring thing in existence but regardless of that, your point is redundant. Leveling 1-30 takes but a fraction of the time 30-60 takes, especially with the new 100% exp boost, want to level? Well there you go, 30 entire levels for you! Not only that, but you start at a point where you have more than 1 ability to spam over and over, how is that fun?

i miss the giant zones of 1.0

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

Leveling a job from 1 to 30, last time i did that was last year.

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I really doubt that you leveled up a job from 1 to 30 last year

You miss cheeseburgers.

this hardly feels like a final fantasy game anyways, so who needs leveling.it's not like level grinding was ever a part of FF games.pfff.this is 2015, i deserve to get everything without working for it.

I respect that you miss it, I know there are some people that really like starting at lv 1.

I dont share that opinion..I have not started to lv any of the new jobs yet but tbh I was hoping they would start even higher lol, but I can understand that some do miss the entire process, which is cool too.
:)

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

this hardly feels like a final fantasy game anyways, so who needs leveling.it's not like level grinding was ever a part of FF games.pfff.this is 2015, i deserve to get everything without working for it.

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because reaching level 30 is such a big achievement

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

that's always been the point of rpgs, you start with nothing and you work your way up by putting time in the game. No one wants a magic button to get you level max instantly, leveling is half the fun.

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It's never the same way as your first job in this game however.. Your choices are pretty much fate grinding or dungeons. Not the epic questing to level cap that you had for your first job.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

Leveling a job from 1 to 30, last time i did that was last year. I was hoping the 3 new jobs would allow me to start at level 1, but no. They gave us 3 lv30 jobs. Not only you have 20 actions to get used to at the same time, but it's like "here's your new class, it's lv30 already, we did the fun part and left you the boring grinding."

Is there any hope for a new lv1 class?

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Really? I like leveling up classes from level one as well, but I thought starting at level 30 was fun, too. It meant you started off with a bunch of skills that you had absolutely no idea how to use. I enjoyed the chaos of figuring out the difference between Essential Dignity, Exalted Detriment and Luminiferous Aether. Complete chaos for a while there. It was fun to watch so many people, myself included, flail about in lower level dungeons because we had no idea what we were doing.

Note: Stella is not a healing move. Who knew? -shrugs-

I despise leveling classes/job pre-50 now, and I'm glad the HW jobs give you a head start. On the first few classes I didn't mind, but now that I'm used to endgame and working on a fifth/sixth lv60 (depending on how you count the ACN classes) and have most ARR classes at 50 or higher, going back to having a regular rotation of like two abilities and slooooooowly working my way up is just painful. I mean yay, I get to do Tam-tara 500 more times. Not gonna say it needs to be "fixed" or anything, but it's painfully tedious (even if painful tedium is what you sign up for by playing an MMO).

Leveling an AST from 1-30 is pointless. It's not like ACN where you start summoning from almost the get go. Your bread and butter card skills don't start until 30.

I leveled all battle classes to 50 back in 2.XX I HATE doing hunting logs + FATEs to reach lv 15 and then the slow grind to LV30 where you'll finally get your Job crystal.

I'm happy they did it like this since these jobs are at least for more experience folks, even if you've never done the role before. I'f you're unsure of how to use abilities properly, there's always the pre-Haukke Manor dungeons to get a hang of it.

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Originally Posted by Amiaze

Note: Stella is not a healing move. Who knew? -shrugs-

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Anyone that read the skill description? o.O

That's all you had to do for any of them.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Anyone that read the skill description? o.O

That's all you had to do for any of them.

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I know, I read them all. XD I'd just forget which skill did which while watching my tank's health slowly fade away. Until I reorganized my hotbar, at least.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

...You honestly found it that difficult to learn new skills at 30? Not trying to be rude but...
You get a small handful to learn, and how hard was it really to understand what to do?
And for the "The boring grining part" you were going to grind anyways from 1-30.
You could of went back to Sastasha and learned how to press 1 or 2 skills.
Haukke/30 was a perfect start AND it's a fun dungeon lol.

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Sadly I think the main problem is that people don't bother reading what their ability's do once I got DRK I spent a few minutes reading all the ability's I got. If people have a hard time understanding how the stuff works its in no way the problem of new jobs starting at level 30 its that they can't read or their too lazy to take a few minutes to read them or a combination of both.


I don't know but what I do know is leveling is slow and boring.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

that's always been the point of rpgs, you start with nothing and you work your way up by putting time in the game. No one wants a magic button to get you level max instantly, leveling is half the fun.

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WoW's magic level 90 button wants to talk to you.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I hope the new classes start at 50 or we get experience bonuses for having level 60s.

I hate leveling in this game. Honestly it doesn't need it, it has a story.

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You always got bonus exp for having a higher level job, when leveling a lower level one. Ok I am not sure if ALWAYS pre-alpha, but, for a very long time now, that has been the case.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

that's always been the point of rpgs, you start with nothing and you work your way up by putting time in the game. No one wants a magic button to get you level max instantly, leveling is half the fun.

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Unfortunately the gamers of today don't like that, pretty sure most people would be happy with an instant 60 button.

Just look at WoW, where you can buy a level 90.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Unfortunately the gamers of today don't like that, pretty sure most people would be happy with an instant 60 button.

Just look at WoW, where you can buy a level 90.

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You don't really start with nothing unless it's your first job. And leveling through grinding fates or dungeons isn't the most dynamic of game experiences. Knowing that I can see why people would be happy to skip all that on other jobs.