I hope I'm not the only one that's annoyed by how they handled the accuracy caps on Alexander, specifically, the adds.
Bosses tend to have a really high frontal accuracy requirement so a tank is usually the only one that meets it (and they remedied this by giving their tanking stance an accuracy boost). That's fine and all, but the adds on the same boss fight has the exact same accuracy cap. There are points in the fight where the dps has to get an add to fixate on them, so they're always attacking from the front. They typically don't have alot of hp either, so positional bonus isn't much of a deal.
The problem though comes in when you miss your attacks...especially if you're a combo class (which is all of them except for bard and monk). During my progression in A1s, I'd die a little bit inside when I miss my ammo+ slug shot hits on alarum, or I miss the killing blow with heartbreaker. Then you have our DRG who misses their full thrust.
And it's not just for this floor; Floor 2 has you fighting goblins who get stunned immediately on stun (and you can't really adjust yourself in some cases because of doll cleaves), Floor 3 has The Hands that you need to stack for, and if A4s still has those mini fausts, every dps needs to get their attention and bait it away from the group....which means frontal accuracy cap.
The fights are stingy on dps check, so even your damage output on the adds becomes pretty important. Which leads me to say this; is there a point in even having frontal or rear accuracy cap for physical dps if the fights expect us to hit from the front and meet dps checks?
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08-28-2015, 10:32 PMRiceisNiceMaybe a re-evaluiation on accuracy in Savage Alexander [Casters need not read]
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08-28-2015, 11:50 PMMakado
Yes they need to drop accuracy. All it does it make you not be able to use your gear and gate things even longer for no reason. Remove accuracy SE its so stupid.
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08-29-2015, 12:14 AMDragonSlayer45
I wouldn't mind it if adds had a different accuracy requirement from the boss. The fact that I need to be 20-30 points above the required ACC requirement for flank in order to hit the Alarum's from the front when you're forced to hit them from the front in A1S is obnoxious. That's a wasted stat in every other situation in A1S.
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08-29-2015, 01:06 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
I'm overloaded on acc atm, still over 700, so I can't say I've run into this problem, I think I have more than our tanks currently.
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08-29-2015, 01:10 AMCosmicKirbyMy static's DRG is also super loaded on accuracy. I think it's a problem with DRG's itemization on their gear, they get tons for no good reason, similar to BLMs. Conversely, our NIN and myself as MCH have been careful to try and grab accuracy pieces first, as we have been missing, esp on the front facing mobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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08-29-2015, 01:29 AMSinisterJointss
yes drg gear is super loaded with accuracy, Im having the same problem.
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08-29-2015, 01:33 AMDragonSlayer45Our MNK has 730 accuracy in full Alex gear. We joke that he must be blind if he needs that much accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicKirby
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08-29-2015, 02:15 AMNiqote
Just so you know, SMNs need the flank ACC cap for their pet and healers are being forced to DD with their abysmal ACC.
Might be worth adding to the discussion :3
edit: Clearly I missed that pet change, well there ya go *runs away*. -
08-29-2015, 02:39 AMDragonSlayer45I thought they changed that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niqote
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08-29-2015, 02:49 AMRiceisNiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Niqote
http://puu.sh/jRMeG/8c1fa09b97.png
Your move, book person. *puts feet on desk*
And healer dps is only really needed if you're trying to meet dps checks when you're below the recommended Ilvl (IE, cutting edge, world first progression) -
08-29-2015, 03:45 AMAlistaireYou...know that means they're right...right? "Flank cap" includes rear; cap is only different from the front.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
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08-29-2015, 03:55 AMRiceisNiceAnd pet base accuracy is also boosted. And I'm pretty sure rear has a lower accuracy cap than flank...only it's a pointless value because melee needs to hit from flanks anyway for their positional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-29-2015, 07:41 AMGooner_iBluAirJGRAs far as I understand it, rear accuracy is what some sources consider the accuracy cap for BLM (or spells I figure).Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wi...oil_of_Bahamut Scroll down to the bottom. -
08-29-2015, 08:04 AMRiceisNiceAnd BLM caps are lower than those of the flank. Even if it weren't separate accuracy caps, SMN pets still have boosted base accuracy so the summoner having BLM accuracy would still suffice for their pets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR
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08-29-2015, 08:08 AMm3eansean
Accuracy is pointless.
Just another artificial difficulty gate. It prevents too many Jobs from being able to equip optimal gear as they have to juggle this silly accuracy value.
The sad thing is they thought they were being cool by removing accuracy from weapons and lowering the amount of accuracy required overall and are like "hey look guys! We fixed the accuracy itemization problems!".
I guess everyone at SE plays dps as monk and dragoon? Since those are the only dps Jobs loaded with accuracy at the moment. -
08-29-2015, 08:09 AMCGMidlanderFlank refers to the sides only. (It is the definition of "flank", after all.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
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08-29-2015, 08:44 AMSelli
If you think Accuracy is hilarious, you should check out healers. Sub 400 Acc. XD Maybe all our characters secretly need glasses? All that flying in Heavensward caused some vision problems, I guess.
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08-29-2015, 10:02 AMFoxyArekuIncorrect. If you can dps, there's no reason to not do it. Healer dps is helpful and there is no downside to it unless you're bad at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
I would never raid with a scholar who didn't DPS. It's disgusting.
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08-29-2015, 10:14 AMRiceisNiceI never said that you didn't need to dps. I said it's only needed (as in, mandatory) to meet dps checks if you're trying to do cutting edge progression because your dps is acutally below the ilvl the content was designed to be cleared with.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
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08-29-2015, 10:38 AMSapphic
I find it kinda Ironic.
Tanks get tank stance buffed with +5% accuracy so they only need flank/rear accuracy cap. Then they design the fights that melee now needs front accuracy cap >.< Albeit with secondaries having a much smaller impact point for point now usinng accuracy food is probably more beneficial to get the cap.
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08-29-2015, 10:39 AMSapphicFlank and rear caps are the same. Only front is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMidlander
I wanted to buy the Eso hat for MKN this week, but due to accuracy, couldnt. as Would drop me too low for A3 that even food wouldn't get me back to cap. @600. 190 gordian cap has +47 accuracy, cap for A3 is 630.Quote:
Originally Posted by m3eansean
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08-29-2015, 08:29 PMCulfinrandirI missed with Ruin II as SCH with a mix of Esoterics, upgraded Law & Proto-Gordian gear (circa 350 Acc). This was in NEVERREAP. I felt embarrassed. I'd hate to try & DPS in Alex Savage!Quote:
Originally Posted by Selli
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08-30-2015, 11:41 AMSelliLol! XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Culfinrandir
Misses in Alexander Savage aren't that bad (helps that in A1S as a healer, you're usually around the center so most of your attacks are from the rear), I think I've had about 1-3 normally. A2S is a little bit harder because mobs are everywhere and it can get chaotic so your missing chances are much greater. -
08-30-2015, 12:22 PMAllyrionWhen was that changed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphic
Because rear and flank have been proven to have different acc caps before.
People just mostly use the Flank because it's higher than rear, but rear has always had a lower cap.
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08-30-2015, 12:27 PMAdrasteiaThe (very) rough Accuracy caps for current content as a healer are something along the lines of:Quote:
Originally Posted by Culfinrandir
375~: EXDR.
400~: A1-A4.
425~: Bismarck Extreme.
440~: Ravana Extreme.
I haven't done Savage enough (re: not at all) to pin down an Accuray cap, but I hear tell of something in the 490 (A1S) to 520 (A4S) range. You can get within spitting distance with pentamelded accessories (502~ with +Accuracy mainstat food), and at the cap if you're insane enough to craft one of the i180 left-side items.
(Really, the weirdest thing about all of this: why is there an (approximately) 1% miss chance in EXDR? Was this necessary at all?) -
08-30-2015, 12:38 PMUBERHAXEDRear and flank requirements are different, hence the change to summoner's pet's to treat attacks as form the rear. Magic attack only hit form the rear so this change will allow the pet to have the same accuracy requirements as the summoner. This is the reason back in 2.0, casters had different accuracy requirements (e.g. Coil of Bahamut) because they only had to meet the rear requirements and melee all had positionals and had to meet the rear and flank requirements (flank being higher than rear, so basically the flank requirements). Bard only needed to meet rear but would occasionally miss if they had attacked from the flank or front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphic
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08-30-2015, 01:42 PMRonyx
Can someone throw those numbers of Accuracy needed for Savage? It might be a gate but the i200 gears slowly make that breech smaller and accuracy is needed so that people stay in their roles. SE dont want healer to be DPSing they want that DPS do their job and tank their job.
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08-30-2015, 02:39 PMNiqotehttp://blog.livedoor.jp/umadori0726/.../45797398.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronyx
I can't say if it is 100% accurate (ha!)
About healers DPS - The reason it is an issue/being brought up is because the DEVs specifically stated that they are designing the DPS races in Alexander Savage to ''take into consideration that healers will also DPS'' which is really... really annoying when your accuracy is 400 or less.
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08-30-2015, 02:44 PMRonoveI do want to point out I don't think the change applies to book smacks. I've missed book smacks on adds in A1S when I was facing their front. Granted not much of an issue compared to other classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niqote
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08-31-2015, 06:50 AMCulfinrandirThanks for the info, it's greatly appreciated. I just noticed that my lvl50 WHM in Ironworks gear has over 400 Acc at i121 but my SCH at i186 is 350 Acc. -_0Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrasteia