NIN mudra lag

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08-25-2015, 07:33 PM
Dimensionz

NIN mudra lag

Hello , i have some problem with nin , my game works good on my pc and my internet is good , when i cast spells "normal slashes and skills" i dont experince any lag at all , but the mudras i feel they really take time to cast and they just lag and drop my dps , am i the only one experincing this and how can i deal with it?
08-25-2015, 07:36 PM
Pluvia

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Originally Posted by Dimensionz

Hello , i have some problem with nin , my game works good on my pc and my internet is good , when i cast spells "normal slashes and skills" i dont experince any lag at all , but the mudras i feel they really take time to cast and they just lag and drop my dps , am i the only one experincing this and how can i deal with it?

Wtfast,battleping, or pingzapper if those don't work you're going to have to stick with just casting fuma at 54 you get armor crush and that helps a little but if its still horrible lag casting ninjutsu you're probably better off playing a different class if it bothers you too much
08-25-2015, 08:00 PM
Lantia

Just use the Mudras you really need.

1) Huton at start and refresh with armor crush and yep you can stay behind. This one is only for huton so give a crap if you are attacking from the side if it is more dangerous

2) Kassatsu Raton (1on1) or Kassatsu Doton (more then 3 Monsters)

3) Trick Attack (1on1) or Refresh Doton (more then 3 Monsters)

4) Use the Mudra Lags for yourself! How? TP refreshment and aggro reduce.

5) Refresh your other dots/debuffs (in total 3) if the fight needs it to help out minimise drops cause of mudra lags

With these five rules I was always able to be one of the top DPS in 8 man groups (never was in 24 right now). Of couse I will try it out once again while my server moved to european datacenter but it is a really good compromise between dps and usage.

Oh and finally: Play it to have fun. The NIN is a class with a really good basic DPS even with only the basic combo.

Edit:
And before haters are incoming: Of course you can improve your DPS more later... first you need to learn how to use the mudra lag for yourself. Then you can try to optimise the usage as it can be hard to focus on two thinks to improve on the same time.
08-25-2015, 08:16 PM
Viviza

You do experience lag with normal skills, but the lag is hidden in the animations and generously long globals. Mudra can't hide these delays so well because the timing is much stricter.

Anything that improves your latency may make an improvement. If that doesn't work you're kind of out of luck.
08-25-2015, 10:53 PM
NovaLevossida

A VPN might help you, but ultimately I just found it was better for me to just not play NIN. I like the job, but until they redesign Mudras to not behave the way they do, I'm not going to put up with the lag.
08-26-2015, 10:59 PM
Dimensionz

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

Wtfast,battleping, or pingzapper if those don't work you're going to have to stick with just casting fuma at 54 you get armor crush and that helps a little but if its still horrible lag casting ninjutsu you're probably better off playing a different class if it bothers you too much

is there a class that has better dps or equal to nin ?
08-26-2015, 11:03 PM
Dimensionz

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Originally Posted by Lantia

With these five rules I was always able to be one of the top DPS in 8 man groups

how can you see your dps compared to others?
08-26-2015, 11:16 PM
Crazypluto

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Originally Posted by Dimensionz

is there a class that has better dps or equal to nin ?

MNK,DRG and blm all have better ST dps then a ninja, Hell our BLM in A3S hits over 1480dps with 0 crits on the first phase.
08-26-2015, 11:45 PM
Dimensionz

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Originally Posted by Viviza

You do experience lag with normal skills, but the lag is hidden in the animations and generously long globals. Mudra can't hide these delays so well because the timing is much stricter.

Anything that improves your latency may make an improvement. If that doesn't work you're kind of out of luck.

aha , can i hope it becomes better if when they move the eu servers to eu or whatever they are going to do ?
08-27-2015, 12:19 AM
Dante_V

Mudra lag needs to be fixed.
08-27-2015, 02:45 AM
Reil-Aeon

It's been an issue for so long now, i think thats not gonna change anytime soon. Don't think they care TBH
08-27-2015, 02:23 PM
Lantia

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Originally Posted by Dimensionz

how can you see your dps compared to others?

Simple:
Boss fight -> Having a look to the aggro bar of the group. The more Aggro you have as more DMG you are doing. And I am talking with the use of our 80% Aggro transfer skill every 90 secs....
If you be constantly on place 3 or 4 it is ok to think you deal enough dmg for the group ;D
08-27-2015, 03:08 PM
Arow22

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Originally Posted by Reil-Aeon

It's been an issue for so long now, i think thats not gonna change anytime soon. Don't think they care TBH

Think your right, nuff the DPS, Argo abilties you don't need, and mudra that lags- plus better yet, good tanks (Warriors) that do more damage. Got to love it.
08-28-2015, 01:34 AM
MrCookTM

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Originally Posted by Arow22

Think your right, nuff the DPS, Argo abilties you don't need, and mudra that lags- plus better yet, good tanks (Warriors) that do more damage. Got to love it.

More damage than what... Ninja's?
08-28-2015, 01:53 AM
Darklune

A good warrior will not do more damage than a good ninja. However, they do come disturbingly close given they're a "tank".
08-28-2015, 02:06 AM
ErzaScarlet77

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Originally Posted by Lantia

Simple:
Boss fight -> Having a look to the aggro bar of the group. The more Aggro you have as more DMG you are doing. And I am talking with the use of our 80% Aggro transfer skill every 90 secs....
If you be constantly on place 3 or 4 it is ok to think you deal enough dmg for the group ;D

mnk can be top dps without getting close to ripping aggro. its all about burst damage. thats why blm and old prenerf ninja always rip aggro like crazy
08-28-2015, 02:22 AM
Subucnimorning

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Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

mnk can be top dps without getting close to ripping aggro. its all about burst damage. thats why blm and old prenerf ninja always rip aggro like crazy

Not to mention some classes can aggro dump like DRG Elusive Jump or a class like SMN that has a pet, etc. There are many reasons why aggro meter is not an accurate way to gauge DPS.
08-30-2015, 07:45 AM
Viviza

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Originally Posted by Dimensionz

aha , can i hope it becomes better if when they move the eu servers to eu or whatever they are going to do ?

You'll likely see an improvement. It may or may not be enough to make you feel comfortable with the job. From what I've heard, ping in Japan is very good, so they don't experience these issues so much over there. I play in Canada and I'm fairly close to the servers, and I still find the timing too inconsistent to really enjoy. If I really want to play a faster DPS I'll stick with monk.
08-30-2015, 03:12 PM
Lantia

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Originally Posted by Subucnimorning

Not to mention some classes can aggro dump like DRG Elusive Jump or a class like SMN that has a pet, etc. There are many reasons why aggro meter is not an accurate way to gauge DPS.

You mean they can dump aggro just like NIN??? Well thanks I am using it
09-01-2015, 12:24 AM
Subucnimorning

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Originally Posted by Lantia

You mean they can dump aggro just like NIN??? Well thanks I am using it

The point wasn't whether you use aggro dump abilities, more that the aggro bar is not a reliable tool to measure DPS.
09-01-2015, 12:52 PM
Callinon

Considering Yoshi P's official response to mudra lag was "git gud" slightly paraphrased, no, they don't care. They don't see the problem because none of their packets have to go more than about 50 miles, whereas U.S. packets can travel a thousand miles, and EU or AUS packets? Holy crap.