Any other tanks have this issue?

Ok... this has happened to me like three times now. Most notably in the Alex (normal) run where you have the two Oppressors. It also happened in Bismark Ex.

Whenever there's a mechanic where I have to provoke something, I'll hit the button, Provoke will go off, you'll see the little animation on the screen, but it won't actually provoke and I won't get aggro. The icon will also not show a cool down.

Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else?

provoke puts you at +1 of current highest enmity

so is your complaint that provoke is malfunctioning or that your other tank is hitting your target when you have to taunt it?

Shield Lob & then voke, have you tried that, also ya did the other tank still hit the target with his enmity combo? also maybe lag.

Yes, I have had that problem. I find that if a target is moving towards me and I provoke them right as they're passing me, the act of the character having to rotate to see them cancels the provoke regardless if it appears to have gone off. The best way to avoid this in A1 is the have your back to the spot where .05 spawns and provoke him only when he's in front of your character.

By 'icon will not show a cool down' do you mean your Provoke is still available - as if you didn't use it? I'm guessing you're just experiencing latency/lag during 0.5's entry animation or during Voke use.

Animations and vfx are player-side, not server, so you could see yourself actually do the ability even during a lag spike, but once the spike ends and you catch back up with the server, the CD never actually registered. For a moment like using Provoke it'd be very noticeable.

Most noticeable for me is when I experience this (occasionally) as DRG with Jump oGCDs. Lag spike whist weaving a Jump, resulting in a double-Jump that cost me some GCD delay. When it happens though I just like to think I'm lucky it wasn't a full 90k d/c.

I have seen this with Provoke and random other abilities that will sort of partially fire, where their animations will play and it seems like they went off yet their effects aren't applied and the cooldowns isn't activated forcing me to use the ability again once I realize that it never went off.

My guess is it is a goof with client to server communication where the client thinks you used the ability so it does all the "you activated X ability" stuff but the server never receives that info so the effects are never applied or it resets at the next server tick.

I think this is due to a mob moving out of range just as the provoke happens. Your client starts playing the provoke animation but the server sends back a "lol, nope, out of range!" message and it cancels.

Only way to get round it is to provoke sooner/closer, or hope you dont have high latency.

Yeah, I think what you experienced is a packet loss (latency issue) where the game client shows you used provoke but on the server side Provoke wasn't used. The most common class to suffer this is Ninja with its Mudra lag.

Either that or the boss passed through you and your provoke didn't register because on server side the boss was already behind you.

My provoke is macro'd to throw a tomahawk right after. You need to do more than just provoke to secure aggro. A couple of problems I've had with it lately have been lag and the mob moving out of range.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Ok... this has happened to me like three times now. Most notably in the Alex (normal) run where you have the two Oppressors. It also happened in Bismark Ex.

Whenever there's a mechanic where I have to provoke something, I'll hit the button, Provoke will go off, you'll see the little animation on the screen, but it won't actually provoke and I won't get aggro. The icon will also not show a cool down.

Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else?

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It could be low t. Consult your healer right away.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Ok... this has happened to me like three times now. Most notably in the Alex (normal) run where you have the two Oppressors. It also happened in Bismark Ex.

Whenever there's a mechanic where I have to provoke something, I'll hit the button, Provoke will go off, you'll see the little animation on the screen, but it won't actually provoke and I won't get aggro. The icon will also not show a cool down.

Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else?

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I mostly run into this with circle of scorn, but it can happen with any oGCD instacast ability. Basically the client thinks it's OK and starts the animation, but then a server packet arrives that says NOOOOOO.

2 workarounds:
1. spam the key
2. wait just a little bit longer after your last action. With practice the timing isn't too hard, but can be variable with latency.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

I mostly run into this with circle of scorn, but it can happen with any oGCD instacast ability. Basically the client thinks it's OK and starts the animation, but then a server packet arrives that says NOOOOOO.

2 workarounds:
1. spam the key
2. wait just a little bit longer after your last action. With practice the timing isn't too hard, but can be variable with latency.

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This considerably more helpful response can also be it. I definatrly run into it on NIN mudras due to either the server packet or my changing distance from the mob while using the skill.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

My provoke is macro'd to throw a tomahawk right after. You need to do more than just provoke to secure aggro. A couple of problems I've had with it lately have been lag and the mob moving out of range.

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Securing hate is not the issue. The issue, as stated several times by now, is that there's a latency problem that causes provoke to not actually fire when it looks like it did. Hitting it again wont do anything if your provoke never worked in the first place.

Provoke can be LoS'd, which is likely the issue you are running into.

It occurs with any other target especially if both of you are moving. The only way to avoid it is to spam Provoke key until you confirm that it's working.

I notice it most on Oppressors. I stand at the opposite end to grab the 0.5 when he lands and starts walking toward the other tank. I'm facing away from where he comes in, so the moment he passes me is when I hit provoke and follow up with Unmend (I think that's what it's called...purple lights a la shield lob). Nothing. Provoke icon stays as if I had never used it but everything else happens - the animation, the macro text I have, everything else. Other characters are moving around so I doubted it was lag... Even if I spam Unmend, it just doesn't seem to care sometimes, and by then the other tank has a huge number of stacks and I get yelled at for not grabbing the boss.

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Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Provoke can be LoS'd, which is likely the issue you are running into.

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It is a massive pain. My suggestion is if you ever end up doing Savage, Provoke the original Oppressor and have the original MT go to where 0.5 spawns. The 0.5 retains the aggro Oppressor had, so the OT won't have to 'voke it and 0.5 won't run back and forth.

Don't do that in Normal unless you trust the other tank to understand what you're saying, though.

I had this exact scenario happen as a DRK last week. Wiped hard, due to me not getting the aggro from 0.5. :( Haven't happend again so far, but im always abit iffy about provoke since then. The spamming unmend and not getting aggro happens now and then aswell.