So I would like a mage class that specialize in debuff and support. We all know that was green magic in ff12 why not add them. they will be great I know we have things like stone skinn and protect but why not have the use spells like oil to increase damage from fire attacks make it learn bravery and faith. U can even have it change the weather to help. Rain extends thunder ticks while lowering fire spells a bit. somrthing of that nature will be ok.
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08-14-2015, 07:38 AMliljramos88Green Mage
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08-14-2015, 07:42 AMJonnycbad
Ugh green mage is such a gimmick. I'd rather have red mage or geomancer before having green mage. Green mage is like the FF equivalent of Rain/Chameleon ninjas in Mortal Kombat. Jumped the shark hard. Red Mage was support in FF11, and many of their spells exist in 14 but are not tied to any class e.g. Regen, Refresh, Stop, Paralyze, Blind, En-element, Blaze Spikes, Haste, Slow etc.
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08-14-2015, 08:29 AMm3eansean
Elemental wheel in this game was removed after 1.0 - they said it's not coming back. Players will not do elemental damage, so green mage ideas are kind of a bust.
They also said they aren't adding a "support" role to the DF anytime soon, so It would just be a dps, healer or tank. Any support ability will be the regeneration of TP/MP or the reduction of skillspeed/spellspeed. That is all that is currently allowed under the structure of the design of the combat system in this MMO. -
08-14-2015, 11:02 AMVoltaAsuraOn that note, any job/class that is normally a support or similar would more than likely chopped into bits and unrecognizable once brought into FFXIV for this reason and this alone. It's a shame they chose to use the trinity system when 2.0 came out, but it is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by m3eansean
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08-14-2015, 12:40 PMGeardagas
It would make alot more sense to get geomancer instead, which would be split from conjurer and be a DoM dps class, since there aren't too many of those.
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08-14-2015, 12:42 PMFerrasper
Green mage reminds me more of a healer role in name. Maybe it's because the hue green represents healing? I don't know.
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08-14-2015, 07:50 PMDuelleGreen = nature = healing. You're not far off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferrasper
I'd probably still make it a HoT-based healer. Manipulating the life energy of their allies to accelerate natural healing (as opposed to SCH, WHM and AST that make sparkly lights somehow mending your wounds). -
08-14-2015, 08:01 PMAlistaire
Astrologian's already close-ish to the green mage idea and look how well that's doing.
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08-14-2015, 09:00 PMValadeus
Sadly, I think the closest thing you'll find right now is the Arcanist with a pinch of Conjurer.
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08-15-2015, 01:15 AMBlueMageQuina
Incidentally, I was just thinking up a concept for this as well as other jobs. I saw it the same as it was in each FF it has appeared in thus far; a lower DPS caster job that specializes in support abilities giving buffs to the party and debuffs to the enemies.
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08-15-2015, 01:39 AMSessurea
what about turquoise thinking about pink mage D:
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08-15-2015, 08:12 AMliljramos88
Yeag geomacer would be great but I was a bit sad that they added aero 3 and stone 3 to white mages.
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08-15-2015, 12:08 PMDeusteele
Why?
Green only existed to hold buff and debuff skills, that's all. They were made by ripping spells out of White/Black and Time(which itself made by ripping spells out of White/Black) schools. They really had no purpose other then clean up FF XII spells list. Even in FFT A2, they just got other Job's abilities. It's a wholly redundant Job. Maybe if this game ran with much larger group sizes they might be of use, but mostly would ride pine unless they could be used in a Job stacked Burn Party. -
08-16-2015, 05:44 AMSavagelf
green mage is mage the is for make tree grown and stuff he love protect are climate for force of evil climate change
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08-16-2015, 07:47 PMDuelleNot really. AST is a healer designed to be a sort-of WHM and a sort-of SCH with a card RNG gimmick. Ideally Green Mage would be HoTs and manipulation of HoTs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
We're sort of lacking in the healer and tank department, which is a consequence of the FF franchise putting all its chips in WHM. There's still a couple of options for healer jobs (aside form Green Mage, Mystic/Oracle and Chemist if they decide to implement another gun job) but they're not exactly plentiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deusteele
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08-19-2015, 09:33 PMckc22Because none of this would fit into the current system because there is no support role.Quote:
Originally Posted by liljramos88
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08-25-2015, 01:52 PMDkDerekResto Druid is that you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
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08-31-2015, 10:23 AMDuelleIn one word, yes. Resto Druid would be a good place to start when designing Green Mage, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by DkDerek
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09-01-2015, 03:44 AMAnova
It feels like a lot of players simply want a healer with reliable raid utility. I think the AST fills this niche pretty nicely, having some damage ability (but not enough to really matter) and a lot of buffs (even if they depend on rng).
If you want a class completely devoted to buffing/debuffing, keep in mind those buffs have to be powerful enough that they essentially let you take over another class (either doubling the power of the dps, buffing a DPS to tank, or removing the need for a healer).
Honestly, the class is going to be very complicated and will definitely break the system when it is abused by the playerbase. And for all those players who think their peers will play nice and play the class as it was intended, just remember how Hunts were used in 2.3 or the warrior and blackmage requirement in 1.0. It hurts even more knowing that the players in 1.0 were the nice players.
It's much easier to tack support abilities to an existing role like healer or dps, but that's almost the same as a Bard or AST. Maybe we should just bring back the Bard with a healer LB.